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Trick or Treat? It's Martin Luther
Desiring God ^ | 10-31-2011 | David Mathis

Posted on 10/31/2011 2:02:29 PM PDT by ReformationFan

It was 494 years today that Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg. He wanted to debate the sale of indulgences with his fellow university professors. He wrote in Latin, but a nameless visionary translated the theses into German, carried them to the printing press, and enabled their dispersion far and wide.

Luther ended up with more than he bargained for, but he proved to be no coward in defending the discoveries he was making in Scripture. When the Roman church wouldn’t serve him the treat of sufficiently addressing his concerns, he was consigned to the role of sparking the now half-millennium running trick called the Protestant church. Why Halloween?

Of course Luther wasn’t trick-or-treating when he approached the threshold of the church in Wittenberg, but it’s likely no accident he picked October 31. There’s another angle on Halloween that many are unaware of some 500 years later.

Halloween’s history is shrouded in some of the same mystery and confusion the holiday is known for celebrating. Some historians claim the origin is really in pre-Christian harvest festivals among pagans, and that the occasion was later Christianized when the gospel spread through the Roman Empire nearly two millennia ago. It may be the case that things started pagan (as with all of us!), but it may be that we Christians have let unbelieving historians cloud the true origins of observing October 31. All Hallows’ Eve

One thing that is clear is where the name comes from—and that it is Christian. The English Halloween is short for “All Hallows’ Eve,” the night before the November 1 Christian feast of All Saints (Hallows) Day.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: 1517; 31oct1517; 95theses; allhallowseve; allsaintsday; davidmathis; luther; martinluther; mathis; reformation; reformationday

1 posted on 10/31/2011 2:02:31 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan
It was 494 years today that Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg.

Gawd that explains everything.

2 posted on 10/31/2011 2:10:41 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

They didn’t have 3M and Post-It Notes back then.....


3 posted on 10/31/2011 2:12:59 PM PDT by edpc (My silence IS an answer)
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To: ReformationFan

They should have given him a treat.

He ended up soaping their windows but good.


4 posted on 10/31/2011 2:13:36 PM PDT by samtheman (Newt? Can you do it? Can you repudiate your time on the Pelosi couch?)
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To: edpc

guess you could say he “occupied” Wittenburg, eh?


5 posted on 10/31/2011 2:52:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: ReformationFan
The local Christian radio station played Martin Luther's - Here I Stand by the artistic interpreter Max McLean. What a treat to hear Luther as if I had been there on the night he made his prayer for courage as well as on the day he made that famous speech. We are blessed to be a part of so great a cloud of witnesses.
6 posted on 10/31/2011 4:16:43 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Religion Moderator

Is this a caucus thread? Or is it somehow wrong to post Luther’s own words here?


8 posted on 10/31/2011 4:37:54 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses

It is not a caucus thread, but anti-Semitic posts are not acceptable on the RF even when they are quotes of a religious leader.


9 posted on 10/31/2011 4:42:42 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

But a celebration of the anti semite is OK?


10 posted on 10/31/2011 4:43:29 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Bible


"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther




11 posted on 10/31/2011 4:53:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: narses
Be Not Afraid: The Surprisingly Holy Origins of Halloween

Hallowe'en (with facts and recipes)
How Halloween Can Be Redeemed (from Catholic Update)
History of Halloween
Bishops’ Halloween Advice: Dress Children Up as Saints, Not Witches
Halloween (CNA Video)
All Hallows' Eve
Celebrating 'All Hallows Eve' and the 'Feast of All Saints' in a Pre-Christian West
Halloween Prayers: Prayers and Collects for All Hallows Eve
Holiday Hysteria (a Christian defense of Halloween)
Hallowe'en - Eve of All Saints - Suggestions for Reclaiming this Christian Feast

12 posted on 10/31/2011 4:54:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: narses
Hate speech is not tolerable whether using the quote to argue for or against. This is the same reason Chick, etc. are not allowed at all.

But Luther's bad speech on this particular subject is not enough to ban him altogether.

Call him anti-Semitic? Fine. Link to his quotes? Fine. Include the quote in a post where it can be requoted by AFRs out of context? No.

13 posted on 10/31/2011 4:57:17 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Salvation
On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543
by Martin Luther (1483-1546)
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since .... May God help us. Amen.
More, much more, at the link.

I have excised out the parts that Luther wrote that are antisemitic but you can visit and read his words at the link.

14 posted on 10/31/2011 4:58:02 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses

He had faults. Luther was not a saint. This was his biggest mistake. However, it doesn’t make the rest of what he said to be invalid.


15 posted on 10/31/2011 5:26:38 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

Reformed Protestants cite Luther at their peril because he remained far closer to Catholicism than just about any other Protestant leader.


16 posted on 10/31/2011 5:42:26 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: GAB-1955

Like his approval of bigamy?


17 posted on 10/31/2011 5:57:42 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses

Or his belief in the necessity of water baptism for salvation.
Private confession and absolution.
The corporeal presence of Christ in holy communion
Baptismal regeneration
Etc.


18 posted on 10/31/2011 6:03:21 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: GAB-1955
The only thing Luther was ever said in complete honesty was, “sin boldly”.
19 posted on 10/31/2011 6:10:45 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: GAB-1955

The only thing Luther ever said in complete honesty was, “sin boldly”.


20 posted on 10/31/2011 6:11:04 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin
?????????? I sorry for the duplicate but I'm not sure how I did that.
21 posted on 10/31/2011 6:14:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Salvation

wow. I hear he was fond of the Blessed Mother, too.


22 posted on 10/31/2011 7:40:26 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: .30Carbine

Agreed. I have McLean’s recording of both that and Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” on CD but haven’t listened to them yet.


23 posted on 10/31/2011 7:52:38 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

for later


24 posted on 11/01/2011 8:43:44 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: narses

Here is some examples of “Christian” Anti-Semitism.

306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews. 3,4
315: Constantine published the Edict of Milan which extended religious tolerance to Christians. Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize.
325: The Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover. They stated: “For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people...We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews...our worship follows a...more convenient course...we desire dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews...How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are almost certainly blinded.”
337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.
339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offense.
343-381: The Laodicean Synod approved Cannon XXXVIII: “It is not lawful [for Christians] to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety.” 5
367 - 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.
379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.
380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as “an act pleasing to God.”
415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.
415: St. Augustine wrote “The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus.”
418: St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: “If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil’s refuge, Satan’s fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves.”
489 - 519: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.
528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court. 3
535: The “Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians.” 3
538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Canon XXX decreed that “From the Thursday before Easter for four days, Jews may not appear in the company of Christians.” 5 Marriages between Christians and Jews were prohibited. Christians were prohibited from converting to Judaism. 4
561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.
612: Jews were not allowed to own land, to be farmers or enter certain trades.
613: Very serious persecution began in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education
692: Cannnon II of the Quinisext Council stated: “Let no one in the priestly order nor any layman eat the unleavened bread of the Jews, nor have any familiar intercourse with them, nor summon them in illness, nor receive medicines from them, nor bathe with them; but if anyone shall take in hand to do so, if he is a cleric, let him be deposed, but if a layman, let him be cut off.” 5
694: The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their responsibility for the execution of Jesus. 5
722: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.
855: Jews were exiled from Italy
1050: The Synod of Narbonne prohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.
1078: “Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians.” 6
1078: The Synod of Gerona forced Jews to pay church taxes
1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: “Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!” 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.
1121: Jews were exiled from Flanders (now part of present-day Belgium)
1130: Some Jews in London allegedly killed a sick man. The Jewish people in the city were required to pay 1 million marks as compensation.
1146: The Second Crusade began. A French Monk, Rudolf, called for the destruction of the Jews.
1179: Canon 24 of the Third Lateran Council stated: “Jews should be slaves to Christians and at the same time treated kindly due of humanitarian considerations.” Canon 26 stated that “the testimony of Christians against Jews is to be preferred in all causes where they use their own witnesses against Christians.” 7
1180: The French King of France, Philip Augustus, arbitrarily seized all Jewish property and expelled the Jews from the country. There was no legal justification for this action. They were allowed to sell all movable possessions, but their land and houses were stolen by the king.
1189: Jews were persecuted in England. The Crown claimed all Jewish possessions. Most of their houses were burned.-—

Anti-semitism was not uncommon in “Christian” Europe back then.

And all this happened long before Luther’s grandparents were even conceived. So who do you think commited them?


25 posted on 11/03/2011 10:24:11 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Osama/Obama the only difference is BS.)
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