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All Saints or All Souls? Differences should be black and white
Southern Fried Catholicism ^ | 11/1/2011 | Brad Noel

Posted on 11/01/2011 8:47:19 AM PDT by DogwoodSouth

...[T]oday's feast of All Saints is wholly different from tomorrow's feast: that of All Souls. Today, we celebrate the men and women who have entered heaven; tomorrow, we will remember the souls of our friends and family members who are being purified to do the same. Today, we pray to the saints in heaven with full confidence that they will intercede for us; tomorrow, we pray for the souls in purgatory with full hope that others will do the same for us after we are gone.

There's a big difference between the emphases (and purpose) of the two days.

Honestly, though, you may be hard pressed to find a difference between the way these two feasts are celebrated in your local parish. Today, the priest will wear white vestments - a liturgical color which denotes heavenly purity and which reminds us of the biblical descriptions of heaven, replete with white-robed saints. Tomorrow, though, you're again likely to see white, but then, the symbol is of baptismal purity. But it's not likely that anyone will bother to belabor or stress the (important) differences between the two uses of white, or even between the theological emphases of the two days.

It wasn't always this way...

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TOPICS: Catholic; History; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: allsaints; allsouls; catholic
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To: Salvation
>>Will you be surprised at the moment of your death to find out that the so-called “Paradise” is also “Purgatory?”<<

Nope, no purgatory after the rending of the veil.

41 posted on 11/01/2011 5:57:42 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos

I believe it is feedback noise we keep hearing from some posters. Happens when your only input is your own output.


42 posted on 11/01/2011 7:35:43 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear
Yes, but take on board Colossians 1:24

"Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church."

Something is indeed lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions. It is our share in them.

43 posted on 11/02/2011 4:59:26 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Rashputin

A remarkable post, thank you.


44 posted on 11/02/2011 5:03:10 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: agere_contra

Paul was simply saying that the suffering he went through didn’t even come close to the suffering Christ went through. To claim that as the insufficiency of Christ’s suffering and sacrifice or that we must add to Christ sacrifice is nonsense at best.


45 posted on 11/02/2011 7:25:21 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: taxcontrol

As I pointed out — the Buddhists do not offer prayers for the dead as they are reincarnated or have achieved nirvana. I pointed out the other errors in your post


46 posted on 11/03/2011 4:37:35 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos
Buddists pray for the dead .. or to say it a different way, Buddists say prayers for those that are no longer living (dead). The Buddists believe incorrectly in reincarnation however, what they believe is irrelevant to the point I was making.

Purgatory was only officially adopted in the 16th Centry. Please pay attention to the term "officially adopted". The Council of Florence only raised the concept of Purgatory. It did not make it official dogma. The term used in the Catholic encyclopedia is "began apropos" meaning interjection for further comment - to be discussed at the appropriate time. In essence, this was the formation of the doctrine as there was a need by the Catholics to justify their doctrine that had been rejected by the Greek Orthodox as apart of the larger context of the attempt at reunification of the Latin and Greek. The official adoption was done at the Council of Trent. One could argue that the Bull of Pope Leo X issued June 15, 1520 Exsurge Domi, that since the Bull mentions purgatory, that it is "officially adopted" at that time. However, that is also 16th Centry.

As for when it became Christian practice (as in an expectation or duty) the earliest writings that I know of are from Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 220 AD) which is second centry. The Apostles and Clement of Rome lived till 100 AD yet none of them in any of their writtings call for prayers for the dead. The fact that some Christians continued the Jewish practice shows how the coruption of thought continued into Christianity and that corruption was eventually adopted as doctrine by the Catholics.

47 posted on 11/03/2011 9:15:30 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
Buddists pray for the dead .. or to say it a different way, Buddists say prayers for those that are no longer living (dead). The Buddists believe incorrectly in reincarnation however, what they believe is irrelevant to the point I was making.

It is relevant as you said they pray for the dead. They do not technically have anyone in the "dead state" as in Buddhism, as in Hinduism, once you are dead you get reincarnated or attain nirvana. No "place" after death.

I pointed this out with the other errors in your statement.

48 posted on 11/03/2011 11:37:49 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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