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Staten Islanders react to Archbishop Dolan's statement banning gay marriage from Catholic churches
silive ^ | November 4, 2011 | Maura Grunlund

Posted on 11/05/2011 1:19:24 PM PDT by NYer

timothy-dolan.jpg"The marital union between one man and one woman was universally accepted by civil law as a constitutive element of human society, which is vital to the human family and to the continuation of the human race," Archbishop Dolan said in the decree dated Oct. 18.

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Following the spiritual lead of Pope Benedict, Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan has issued an official statement banning gay marriage in Roman Catholic churches.

Supporters of the Marriage Equality Act were left to ponder why and whether his statement was politically motivated.

Archbishop Dolan issued a decree forbidding any priest or deacon from performing same-sex marriages. The unions cannot be done in any church building, hall or other property. The prohibition even extends to consecrated items such as chalices, vestments and liturgical books.

"The marital union between one man and one woman was universally accepted by civil law as a constitutive element of human society, which is vital to the human family and to the continuation of the human race," Archbishop Dolan said in the decree dated Oct. 18.

"In reversal of this tradition, the New York State Legislature recently enacted a law that recognized same-sex union as marriages in the State of New York. This law is irreconcilable with the nature and the definition of marriage as established by Divine law."

A complete version of the decree is listed under the pastoral tab at Archny.org.

The Marriage Equality Act permits same-sex civil unions while at the same time protecting the right of religious groups to choose against performing the marriages.

Rosemary Palladino, a Grasmere attorney, who attends weekly mass with her partner of 38 years, Marianne Brennick, wasn't surprised by the archbishop's stand on the issue of same-sex marriage.

"It would be wonderful to be able to get married in the Catholic Church but I don't expect it, I don't hope for it and I don't need it because we could get married in a civil setting," said Ms. Palladino, who intends to wed but so far has no definite plans.

A founder of Staten Island Stonewall, Ms. Palladino questioned why religious groups have involved themselves in the issue of civil marriage for same-sex couples.

"I think the whole issue of religious marriage was just an attempt to muddy the waters," Ms. Palladino said.

"The bill was not about making Catholic Churches or other churches perform marriages for same sex couples. It was about making civil marriage available to same-sex couples, regardless of what religion they follow or don't follow."

"What I don't understand is why religious organizations try to interfere with the civil rights of people as they have done in New York and California. I especially wonder how many of their members approve of the fact that their donations are being used to wage these legal battles."

Archbishop Dolan's decree has "no bearing on what city hall does," said State Sen. Diane Savino.

"Marriage is a sacrament, the church has a right to determine who they marry and who they don't," she added.

She was puzzled about why the archbishop felt a need to issue the decree.

"I guess he felt he had to clarify, I'm not sure why," Ms. Savino said.

"It's a house of worship, it's their right, otherwise, no comment," said Assemblyman Matthew Titone, who married his partner of 18 years, Giosue Pugliese, at Borough Hall in September.




TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; dolan; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; ny; pederastagenda; romancatholic; ssm

1 posted on 11/05/2011 1:19:27 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
The unions cannot be done in any church building, hall or other property. The prohibition even extends to consecrated items such as chalices, vestments and liturgical books.

Excellent! I wonder if this decree extends to other dioceses within the state of NY.

2 posted on 11/05/2011 1:21:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Liz; skully; The Mayor; Sun

Ping!


3 posted on 11/05/2011 1:22:05 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

I wonder if liberals would view homosexuals burning down Catholic Churches the same way they viewed the burning of black churches?

It was a rhetorical question. I know the answer.


4 posted on 11/05/2011 1:25:15 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Catholics are the wrong kind of black people. :p

They are welcome to try. It might not work out well for them, though.


5 posted on 11/05/2011 1:28:28 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: NYer
**Archbishop Dolan issued a decree forbidding any priest or deacon from performing same-sex marriages. The unions cannot be done in any church building, hall or other property. The prohibition even extends to consecrated items such as chalices, vestments and liturgical books.**

God bless Archbishop Dolan for laying down the Law!

6 posted on 11/05/2011 1:29:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

What do these idiots expect the Catholic Church to do? It’s reassuring when a Bishop or Cardinal or the Pope reinforces teaching. Need more pro-abortion pols banned from the sacrament of communion and public pronouncements made about it.


7 posted on 11/05/2011 1:31:39 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: NYer
"The bill was not about making Catholic Churches or other churches perform marriages for same sex couples. It was about making civil marriage available to same-sex couples, regardless of what religion they follow or don't follow."

Yeah, but it puts to rest the idea that you could have a civil ceremony within a Catholic Church because that's what you guys would have done, one little step at a time.

8 posted on 11/05/2011 1:41:40 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: NYer
The true historical basis for civil marriages:

``Marriage Records

Marriage entries recorded the date and place of marriage. Information included the ages of the two parties, their residences, marital status, occupations, fathers, and even their fathers' occupations. Civil copies of marriage entries are duplicates of original church entries. Thus, since it was the duty of the minister to forward copies of all of the marriages he performed, the vast majority have been recorded at the civil level, even in the early years of civil registration. However, always be sure to check the original church record since there are often discrepancies between the civil and ecclesiastical copies of the same record. Clerical errors happen! We blogged about this recently.`` http://www.progenealogists.com/greatbritain/englishcivilregistration.htm

Sorry! But marriage is and always has been a function of religion, not government.

``Civil copies of marriage entries are duplicates of original church entries.``

9 posted on 11/05/2011 1:46:24 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: NYer

Isn’t it such a Wittgensteinian thing to equate “sodomy” with a civil right?

Marxists bastardize language——twist words-—Homosexual should NEVER be allowed to exist along side the word “marriage” like for centuries. It is obscene and ugly idea that is trying to be “normalized” so we can rid the world of the Bible and the true God.

All in a Marxist minute——redefinition of words—like abortion=pro-choice, etc. is to make some despicable behavior and choice appear “normal” and “natural”. There is nothing normal and natural about sodomy. It is an evil act.

Disgusting. The Blacks should be outraged. Behaviors that are destructive to humans should be outlawed like sodomy has been for hundreds of years.


10 posted on 11/05/2011 1:51:15 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: NYer

The state of New York, in its wisdom, says that same sex couples may marry in civil ceremonies. That doesn’t mean that religions are forced to do the same.


11 posted on 11/05/2011 1:58:17 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: NYer

I think I might have read something somewhere about, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” or something along those lines.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 2:28:14 PM PDT by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: NYer
Supporters of the Marriage Equality Act were left to ponder why and whether his statement was politically motivated.

Don't strain your brain cell, dingbats.

13 posted on 11/05/2011 2:48:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: Tax-chick

I liked this: “What I don’t understand is why religious organizations try to interfere with the civil rights of people as they have done in New York and California. I especially wonder how many of their members approve of the fact that their donations are being used to wage these legal battles.”

I absolutely approve of any and all money I give to the Church being used to support defense of True Marriage — one man and one woman. And I likewise support the use of my money to refute same-sex unions. They cannot, by definition, be marriages, since those suffering from same sex attraction cannot procreate with their “partners.”

To be completely blunt, I was more than a bit let down when the “act” was about to be signed by Cuomo. But I completely support the Archbishop’s actions here. And he has to make this decree since there are still modernists who require assistance in avoiding making truly grievous errors in the name of not raising a fuss or what-have-you.


14 posted on 11/05/2011 3:33:42 PM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: NYer

The Arch banned this? Funny, I thought the Church forbade it.


15 posted on 11/05/2011 3:34:10 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hail to the Thief)
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To: NYer
Supporters of the Marriage Equality Act were left to ponder why and whether his statement was politically motivated.

Yeah, clearly the Archbishop is trying to curry favor with people by standing up against the legitimization of homosexuality.

Fantasy-island alert.

16 posted on 11/05/2011 3:36:54 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hail to the Thief)
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To: sayuncledave

Excellent remarks, and I agree.


17 posted on 11/05/2011 3:44:46 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: NYer

“I think the whole issue of religious marriage was just an attempt to muddy the waters,” Ms. Palladino said.”

Yeah, that’s the problem here, “religoius marriage.” Right.

Freegards, thanks for all the pings


18 posted on 11/05/2011 4:07:28 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: NYer
"The bill was not about making Catholic Churches or other churches perform marriages for same sex couples. It was about making civil marriage available to same-sex couples, regardless of what religion they follow or don't follow."

BULL! The intention is and always has been to have people accept your "lifestyle" choices with any legal forcible means necessary.

19 posted on 11/05/2011 4:14:07 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: NYer

“Staten Islanders react” means “we talked to a gay activist, a left-wing politican, and a gay left-wing politician.”


20 posted on 11/05/2011 4:17:53 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: NYer
"The marital union between one man and one woman was universally accepted by civil law as a constitutive element of human society, which is vital to the human family and to the continuation of the human race," Archbishop Dolan said in the decree dated Oct. 18.

This did not stop Archbishop Dolan from making a fawning presentation in front of the rabidly pro-gay marriage ADL two days ago.

21 posted on 11/05/2011 4:18:45 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: the invisib1e hand

With some of our clerics, they must be told exactly what to do. He is leaving the odd ones no choice but not to comply.


22 posted on 11/05/2011 4:27:57 PM PDT by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: Salvation

He should go a step further and excommunicate Gov. Cuomo and every Catholic legislator who voted for same-sex marriage.


23 posted on 11/05/2011 5:02:44 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: heartwood

That’s what I thought too. One lesbo makes a statement, presumably for all Staten Island. Yea right.


24 posted on 11/05/2011 5:07:20 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: NYer

Outstanding!


25 posted on 11/05/2011 5:29:29 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: NYer

Good! This shouldn’t need stating, but knowing some of the clergy in NY (even in the NYC...St Joseph’s, anyone?), it’s a good idea to make a preemptive strike.


26 posted on 11/05/2011 7:19:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: savagesusie
Just curious: what do you mean by "Wittgensteinian"? Is it a reference to Ludwig Wittgenstein's thoughts about the nature of language language (which, as I understand it, shifted very considerably during his philosophical career)?

I'm not looking for a deep or detailed explanation (because very frankly, I don't understand Wittgenstein AT ALL) --- but just in simple words, what do you mean to convey by associating Wittgenstein with the concept of "sodomy as a civil right"?

27 posted on 11/05/2011 7:31:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whisper sweet words of epistemology in your ear and speak to you of the pompitus of love.SteveMiller)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Of course the Cahurch forbids it. I think he's trying to make that so excruciatingly clear that even idiots can understand it.

The gay-activists are of course goung to keep gnawing at all the edges: trying to schedule receptions at KofC halls or Church-owned retreat centers, trying to rent facilities on some false pretext and then springing a wedding there, utilizing Catholic university campuses not under the direct control of the Archbishop, etc. You watch.

It's only going to escalate. But Dolan, God bless him, is saying "Bring it on."

28 posted on 11/05/2011 7:37:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whisper sweet words of epistemology in your ear and speak to you of the pompitus of love.SteveMiller)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
gnawing at all the edges

great metaphor.

But Dolan, God bless him, is saying "Bring it on."

The man is certainly an enigma.

29 posted on 11/05/2011 7:48:46 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hail to the Thief)
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To: NYer

Placemark.


30 posted on 11/05/2011 9:17:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: NYer

I’m glad he spelled it out!


31 posted on 11/05/2011 9:27:48 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: NYer
"What I don't understand is why religious organizations try to interfere with the civil rights of people as they have done in New York and California. I especially wonder how many of their members approve of the fact that their donations are being used to wage these legal battles."

No. honey, what you don't understand is that marriage is NOT a civil right. It is a privilege granted by first religious, then civil authorities, and there have always been restrictions of one sort, or the other.

Of course, after the restriction on homosexuals being 'married' is lifted, it's only a matter of time before the polygamists start pushing to get their 'marriages' legalized, then all bets are off as to what other instances come before the courts, claiming theirs is a 'civil rights' issue, as well.

32 posted on 11/06/2011 6:42:31 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SoJoCo
The state of New York, in its wisdom, says that same sex couples may marry in civil ceremonies. That doesn’t mean that religions are forced to do the same.

I predict that before the end of the decade that at least one state will be trying to force churches to do so.

33 posted on 11/07/2011 8:06:12 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter
I predict that before the end of the decade that at least one state will be trying to force churches to do so.

They can try but I don't see the 1st Amendment allowing it.

34 posted on 11/07/2011 5:10:10 PM PST by SoJoCo
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