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"Under the Banner of Heaven" movie? [In Time for Romney candidacy]
ABC4.com ^ | July 20, 2011 | Kylie Conway

Posted on 11/06/2011 10:06:40 AM PST by Colofornian

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (ABC 4 News) – First a controversial book, now Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith is a possible Blockbuster.

Under the Banner of Heaven is an investigative non-fiction book published in 2003. Now, Warner Bros. wants the movie rights.

If Warner Bros. is granted the movie rights, Ron Howard will direct the screen adaptation of Under the Banner of Heaven. When the news came down that this was a possibility Wednesday, it didn’t take long to find an upset Utahn at Temple Square.

“I'm disappointed in that. I'd hate to see the movie produced.”

Jon Krakauer gives historical background into the Mormon faith while telling the story of Ron and Dan Lafferty. They were two Utah brothers who killed their sister-in-law Brenda Lafferty and her 15-month-old daughter back in the mid 1980's. This murder is believed to be the consequence of two men who were submerged in extreme, fundamental Mormon beliefs. When the book was released nine years ago, Richard Turley, a leader in the LDS Church told ABC 4, “The real danger is that some people will somehow or another confuse, because of his writing, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Ladder Day Saints with these unconnected Mormon Fundamentalists.”

Ron and Dan Lafferty belonged to the School of Prophets. Here they deepened their so-called Mormon faith. Ron called himself the “Voice of God” and Dan was the self-proclaimed “Arm of God”. This church believed in “revelations”, some of which told them to “remove” people: people like Brenda Lafferty.

“Yes, I think I noted that as a revelation that I received while I was in the school of prophets, yes,” said Ron Lafferty in a Death Row interview with ABC 4...

(Excerpt) Read more at abc4.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mormon; mormons; polygyny; pratt; ronhoward
From the article: SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (ABC 4 News) – First a controversial book, now Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith is a possible Blockbuster... Now, Warner Bros. wants the movie rights. If Warner Bros. is granted the movie rights, Ron Howard will direct the screen adaptation of Under the Banner of Heaven.

The book [and assumed, to be carried into the movie] includes a chapter on philanderer Parley Pratt, g-g grandfather of Mitt Romney...who was killed in 1857 because he was hustling up another wife to go with his dozen back home.

Four generations later, Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Pratt.

See another thread from this a.m. on Parley Pratt: 5 questions answered about Parley P. Pratt

Pratt was serving as a Mormon missionary in 1857 and was killed by a jealous husband because Pratt had made off with her and was trying to steal her away for good. [She was separated from her husband].

The story relates to the book because of the theory raised that the Mountain Meadows Massacre was easy for Brigham Young to "egg on" his subjects to kill 120 wagon train people from Arkansas...the state where Pratt was killed.

Expect to see extremely graphic scenes of dozens and dozens of Mormons massacreing children, moms & dads on the first 9/11 terrorist act of this country (Sept. 11, 1857!).

The Mormon church leaders covered it up so that only one man, John D. Lee, was ever held accountable.

FReeper poster Zakeet has noted: "Many of the descendants of the people are disturbed by this fact. The monument [now as the massacre site] sits atop the mass grave of 28 people slaughtered that terrible day - 10 women and 18 youth (if I recall correctly). An archaeological excavation of the original monument site (where the current memorial now stands) revealed that the 10 women were shot in the face at close range by pistols. Two of the youths were gunned down by rifles, one was slashed to death by a knife, and the remaining 15 died when their skulls were bashed in by the butt of a rifle."

Zakeet has noted that "the Mountain Meadows Massacre was then and still remains the largest robbery-homicide in U.S. History."

1 posted on 11/06/2011 10:06:43 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Zakeet

Ping to mention in post #1


2 posted on 11/06/2011 10:07:23 AM PST by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
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To: Colofornian

Apart from the horror of the massacre, a well-known historical event, what are the bets that this movie will NOT be released before Mitt is nominated (as they hope), but just in time for an October 2012 surprise, in order to re-elect Hussein. First they’ll prop Mitt up, then they’ll knock him down.

Needless to say they won’t make any movies about Hussein as a Muslim, whose grandfather was a Mau Mau terrorist and whose cousin Odinga (whom he helped to push into the Kenyan government, using taxpayer funding to pay his expenses) is a Communist/Muslim terrorist.


3 posted on 11/06/2011 10:16:32 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Colofornian
I'd like to read the book and even see the movie, but its very suspicious that its being done NOW....of course it would be worse if it came out say, next Sept....

the democrat left is evil and it has at its command almost the whole of howood and the SCM and vast hundreds of millions from ex nazis and the like....

Jesus warned us about these days....

4 posted on 11/06/2011 10:16:50 AM PST by cherry
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To: Colofornian

All I can say is that if one wants the truth about Mormonism, read:

“The God Makers”, by Decker and Hunt

“Can Mitt Serve Two Masters?” by Tricia Erickson, the daughter of another Mormon Bishop, who is no longer with the Mormon Church.

“The Kingdom of the Cults”, by Walter Martin.

And Google “The White Horse Prophecy”, by Joseph Smith.
where he states the goal of the LDS to take over the U.S. government, and then that of of the world.

(Oh, yes, Mitt is a Mormon Bishop! At least he is at the 33rd degree of the Secret Society which is parts of Freemasonry, Hinduism and Islam with a plagiarized portion of the King James Bible.)


5 posted on 11/06/2011 10:27:54 AM PST by Paperdoll
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To: Colofornian

The Mormon church leaders covered it the Mountain Meadows Massacre] up so that only one man, John D. Lee, was ever held accountable.

FReeper poster Zakeet has noted: "Many of the descendants of the people are disturbed by this fact ...

Actually, the descendants of the murdered Gentiles are most disturbed by the fact that although the memorial sits atop the mass grave of their Christian ancestors, the LDS Church expressly and steadfastly forbids the erection of a cross anywhere on the site.

For some mysterious reason, the Gentiles want their relatives associated symbolically with their Lord and Savior. And for some even more mysterious reason, the Saints do not.

6 posted on 11/06/2011 11:06:20 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Colofornian

an upset Utahn at Temple Square.

“I’m disappointed in that. I’d hate to see the movie produced.”
________________________________________

HA

so much for free speech and the Constitution...


7 posted on 11/06/2011 2:52:53 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Temple Square Mormon: I’d hate to see the movie produced.” ________________________________________

HA so much for free speech and the Constitution...

The Mormon spirit of reacting to the Nauvoo Expositor lives on amongst them.

8 posted on 11/06/2011 3:02:06 PM PST by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
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To: All

Ron Howard seems infatuated with LDS splinter groups. He produced Big Love too. Now he’s taking on the Lafferty brothers, who were excommunicated from the LDS Church when they started to practice polygamy, and then eventually started killing people.

I wonder what his next project will be.


9 posted on 11/06/2011 3:56:18 PM PST by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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Now he’s taking on the Lafferty brothers, who were excommunicated from the LDS Church when they started to practice polygamy, and then eventually started killing people.

Nice distortion, Rip.

Here, Mormons don't like it when you implicate ALL Mormons in the behavior of some; yet what does he do of Ron Lafferty? He accuses him of engaging in polygamy!

I'm not sure even how many of his brothers were actual polygamists...even if they indeed were advocating it.

ALL: The reality is that Ron Lafferty wasn't some wild-eyed fundamentalist polygamist. Ron Lafferty, who had a "revelation" to kill his sister-in-law, had been n upstanding Highland, UT city councilman plus both a first counselor to the local Lds bishop and an LDS youth leader!

(Of course, Ripliancum doesn't mention those little facts, does he?)

Now, it is true that Ron Lafferty was convinced by his brothers that they should take Lds "scriptures" like Lds Doctrines & Covenants 68:2-4 seriously -- about how ALL Mormon priesthood members are allowed to have "revelations" from God.

And, as the article says: Ron and Dan Lafferty belonged to the School of Prophets. Here they deepened their so-called Mormon faith. Ron called himself the “Voice of God” and Dan was the self-proclaimed “Arm of God”. This church believed in “revelations”, some of which told them to “remove” people: people like Brenda Lafferty. “Yes, I think I noted that as a revelation that I received while I was in the school of prophets, yes,” said Ron Lafferty in a Death Row interview with ABC 4...

I blame Joseph Smith as an accomplice in those deaths because of his wreckless "revelations" in D&C 68!!!

10 posted on 11/06/2011 4:49:57 PM PST by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
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To: Ripliancum; All
Now he’s taking on the Lafferty brothers, who were excommunicated from the LDS Church when they started to practice polygamy, and then eventually started killing people.

As I mentioned in the previous post, Ron Lafferty wasn't a polygamist. The Lds church ex-communicated him for advocating it -- as his wife remained Lds and didn't go along with it. Since she divorced him, how could he be a polygamist at the point of ex-communication?

Rip, you're just full of it and bluster prevarications whereever it seems fit to lay 'em down, eh?

I rechecked an extremely long article in the 2004 Deseret News -- owned by the Mormon church -- to see if they...20 years after the fact...took the same "wild-eyed murderous fundamentalist polygamist" tact that Ripliancum tried on you posters.

The short answer is simply "Nope. They don't." In fact, the article asks the question:

"What most neighbors wonder is how two GOOD MORMON BOYS, including one who would serve as a bishop's counselor, could commit murder in the name of God." (Mormon church-owned newspaper, Deseret News, July 27, 2004) URL for quote: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/595079489/1984-Lafferty-case-still-haunts.html?pg=5

ALL: Quite a contrast to Ripliancum's spin he tried on you about some wild-eyed Mormon polygamists on the loose, eh?

If you want to an answer to the DesNews' 2004 question, why, all you have to do is look @ less-than-11 dozen years prior to those '84 murders to a lovely spot in Utah named Mountain Meadows. There, you had the Lafferty murders times 60 committed by dozens of devoted mainstream Mormons!

11 posted on 11/06/2011 5:26:48 PM PST by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
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To: Colofornian

(Excerpt)


12 posted on 11/06/2011 5:45:20 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Colofornian

John Doyle Lee’s book, in GOOGLE Books

http://books.google.com/books?id=zmp2CKy6sv4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=john+d.+lee&hl=en&ei=Qji3TrzxOtSJtwemuo3vCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


13 posted on 11/06/2011 5:53:30 PM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Colofornian; Ripliancum; Elsie; All
Now, it is true that Ron Lafferty was convinced by his brothers that they should take Lds "scriptures" like Lds Doctrines & Covenants 68:2-4 seriously -- about how ALL Mormon priesthood members are allowed to have "revelations" from God...I blame Joseph Smith as an accomplice in those deaths because of his wreckless "revelations" in D&C 68!!!

As an added thought, Lafferty wasn't only convinced to take D&C 68 seriously, but D&C 132 COMMANDING Mormons to practice polygamy is still on the books, too!

For anybody reading the last recorded 10 chapters of the Mormon Doctrine & Covenants' sections, it truly is a bizzarre experience!

* D&C 132 tells the Mormons to be polygamists for the first time!
* D&C 132:20 tells the Mormons to be polytheists for the second time -- but the first time in writing!
* D&C 134:12 tells the Mormons to not give their "gospel" to slaves ... which today would translate to be women and children trafficked as sex slaves.
* D&C 129 tells Mormons to shake hands with demonic spirits (& others) to discern whether or not they are Satanic.
* D&C 138 talks about a vision of dead people!
* D&C 132:17 talks about men becoming angels!
* D&C 132:18 talks about "gods" being "appointed"
* D&C 130 -- the year Joseph Smith was on a "revelation roll" re: polygamy -- came up with "gems" such as highly-touted Joseph Smith prophecies even to this day!

Mormons like to say how Smith "predicted" the Civil War 17-18 years before it broke out...yet Smith spoke like a Mormon god giving a revelation when he wrote: "It MAY PROBABLY arise..." (130:13)

Wow! Now that's "divinity" speaking? What a laughing stock of a "prophet!" "may probably..."??? Now there's a "god" speaking thru a "prophet" to follow!!! /s NOT!!!

Oh. And for "good measure," two verses later, Joseph Smith puts words in the Mormon god's mouth saying: "Joseph, my son, IF THOU? livest until thou are eighty-five years old..." (130:15) Say what?

The Mormon god doesn't even know how old his "prophets" will live to? What? He threw out 85 as a rough guess?...when Smith didn't even make it to age 40? Why mention it at all?

Smith was an out and out con man, liar, and false "prophet."

14 posted on 11/06/2011 5:56:31 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Colofornian
“I'm disappointed in that. I'd hate to see the movie produced.”

Oh?

Why??

15 posted on 11/06/2011 7:16:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
“The real danger is that some people will somehow or another confuse, because of his writing, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Ladder Day Saints with these unconnected Mormon Fundamentalists.”

Yeah; that can be a REAL problem alright.


 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

16 posted on 11/06/2011 7:17:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Paperdoll

Milt is more than a bishop, he’s a high priest in mormonism, of the ‘melchizadek priesthood’.


17 posted on 11/06/2011 7:22:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Ripliancum
I wonder what his next project will be.

I Don't Know That...

Starring:

Andy Serkis

as...


18 posted on 11/06/2011 7:25:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ripliancum
Ron Howard seems infatuated with LDS splinter groups.

Then it appears that he'll NEVER run out of material!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sects_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement

(I guess Ol' Joe didn't hold his church together at all!)

19 posted on 11/06/2011 7:27:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
JESUS: Hey Smith!       Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But.... 

20 posted on 11/06/2011 7:29:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
With the Mormons (to be precise, the members of The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - based in Salt Lake City) intent on being called “Christians” after so many years of eschewing that word, and despite the fact that there are so many fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Mormonism, I often wonder: 

How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word “Mormon” to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).

For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn’t appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark’s “Pure Church of Christ” spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.

Do those responsible for the “Mormons are Christians” campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith’s teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven

Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion’s Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion’s Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley’s Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ “With the Elijah Message” (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)

Or these defunct sects:

Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana

Are members of those LDS groups “Mormons”? “Latter Day Saints?” “Christians?”

Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?

Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn’t believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.

Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn’t agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.

The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto – groups that still practice plural marriage.

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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!


21 posted on 11/06/2011 7:31:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Yup!

He DID say "corporation"!




Corporation of the President

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

STATE OF UTAH

COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

I, the undersigned, having been duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in conformity with the rites, regulations and discipline of said Church, being desirous of forming a corporation for the purpose of acquiring, holding and disposing of Church or religious society property, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship, under and pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 3, Title 19, of the Compiled Laws of Utah, 1917, on "Churches and Religious Societies," and all acts amendatory thereof and supplementary thereto, for that purpose do hereby make and subscribe, in duplicate, the following

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these Articles of Incorporation is "PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS."

Fifth: The corporation seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.

[Seal] [Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.

STATE OF UTAH
SS:
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

On this 26th day of November, 1923, before me, Arthur Winter, a Notary Public in and for said County, personally appeared HEBER J. GRANT, who is known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and duly acknowledged to me that he executed the same as such President.

[Seal] [Signed] Arthur Winter
Notary Public
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah.
My commission expires Dec. 1, 1923.


AMENDMENT TO

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

 

 

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
STATE OF UTAH ss.
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

HEBER J. GRANT, being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

That he is now and for more than twenty years last past has been the duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and as such President has been since on or about the 26th day of November, 1923, and now is, the legally constituted Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter=day Saints, a corporation sole; that under and pursuant to Section 18-7-5 R.S.U. 1933 he hereby amends Article "Fourth" of said Articles of Incorporation as now of record in the proper offices of this and other states, said article as amended to read as follows:

ARTICLE FOURTH

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

[Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints,
corporation sole.
[Seal]

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 18 day of June, 1940.
[the name of Notary Public not shown on copy of amendment]

(Original in State of Utah Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah)


ARTICLES OF AMENDMENT
TO THE

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.


A UTAH CORPORATION SOLE

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 16-7-5 of the Utah Code Annotated 1953 (as amended) relating to amendments of articles of incorporation of corporations sole, the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole, does hereby amend its Articles of Incorporation by adding an additional Paragraph V thereto as follows:

Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tax-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned has caused these presents to be executed this 19th day of November, 1973.

CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY
SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole

By: [signed] Harold B. Lee
Harold B. Lee, Corporation Sole

STATE OF UTAH ) ss:
County of Salt Lake )

HAROLD B. LEE, being first duly sworn, deposes and says: That he is now and ever since July 7, 1972, has been the duly chosen and appointed President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and, as such president, is now and ever since said date has been the legally constituted CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole; that the original Articles of Incorporation of said Corporation Sole were executed by Heber J. Grant, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; that he, Harold B. Lee, is the successor in office to the said Heber J. Grant; that he, Harold B. Lee, executed the foregoing Articles of Amendment as said Corporation Sole.

[signed] Harold B. Lee

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this 19th day of November, 1973.

[signed] Wilford W Kirton, Jr
NOTARY PUBLIC
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah
My commission expires:
2-3-77


Articles of Incorporation as amended:

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

Fifth: Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tex-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

Sixth: The corporate seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.


22 posted on 11/06/2011 7:33:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; greyfoxx39; All
He DID say "corporation"!

Good work showin' the world that the Lds is nothin' but LDS, Inc.!

Greyfoxx39 -- almost a year ago this month -- posted this thread: How Corporatism Has Undermined and Subverted The Church of Jesus Christ

Your work, Elsie includes the Lds church using the legal phrase "Corporation Sole." The article Greyfoxx posted includes this excerpt on how it came about to use that:

Catholic Pope, Meet The Mormon Pope Some time around 1900, the office of Trustee-in-Trust was reformed, then a few years later the financial interests of the "Church" were protected under the “Corporation of the Presiding Bishop.” Finally in 1923, church lawyers found The Holy Grail: a rare, little known, and hardly ever used mode of incorporation known as The Corporation Sole. virtually unknown in America, and tracing its origins to ancient Roman law, the corporation sole was the way the vast riches of the Holy Catholic Church had been protected under Emperor Constantine. All financial power was vested in one man -in their case the pope, in our case, the prophet.

Click on the link provided and read the rest of what that author had to say about that!

23 posted on 11/06/2011 8:12:50 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Colofornian
Good work showin' the world that the Lds is nothin' but LDS, Inc.!

ANY fool can take pictures!

I did!

24 posted on 11/07/2011 2:58:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

Ooops!

The requested document does not exist on this server.


25 posted on 11/07/2011 3:00:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Try this.
26 posted on 11/07/2011 3:01:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

Oh. And for “good measure,” two verses later, Joseph Smith puts words in the Mormon god’s mouth saying: “Joseph, my son, IF THOU? livest until thou are eighty-five years old...” (130:15) Say what?

The Mormon god doesn’t even know how old his “prophets” will live to? What? He threw out 85 as a rough guess?...when Smith didn’t even make it to age 40? Why mention it at all?
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In the 1830s when Joey Smith penned that the average age for men was less than 65...

When he claimed that his mormon god had promised him that he would see the face of that same mormon god IF he lived until he was 85, Joey Smith was confident that he and his listeners and readers would be long dead and buried and his “prophecy” forgotten by the descendants left behind...

Not many lived to a great age in those days..

That was not wild guessing that he would probably be dead by then and wouldnt have to face the music about his false prophecy...

In 1845 my 5th great grandfather died in Wiltshire England aged 96 but he had been happily married to a SARAH HEATH so that might have made the diffence..

The rest of my male ancestors who died during the 1800s were usually much younger and few lived past 60...

Also Joey Smith lived a dangerous life insulting and flaunting the boundries of the moral climate of the Victorian period he lived in...

The odds of his being shot to death by an irate father or husband or one of his victims he scammed with his get-rich-quick schemes were very high...


27 posted on 11/07/2011 7:51:09 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
The odds of his being shot to death by an irate father or husband or one of his victims he scammed with his get-rich-quick schemes were very high...

Ya think?


JESUS: Hey Smith!       Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But.... 

28 posted on 11/07/2011 9:51:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

29 posted on 11/07/2011 9:52:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

“unconnected Mormon Fundamentalists”

‘Nough said


30 posted on 11/07/2011 10:12:56 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
“unconnected Mormon Fundamentalists” ‘Nough said

Under the Banner of Heaven covers a wide swath of Mormon history -- from Joseph Smith to the 1984 Lafferty murders.

It covers...
Joseph Smith (was he a fundamentalist?)
Parley P. Pratt (was he a fundamentalist?)
Brigham Young & the Lds Mountain Meadows Massacre murderers (they certainly weren't fundamentalists!)
Then fast forward to Ron Lafferty, a Highland, UT city councilman (gee, Saundra, I didn't know that Highland regularly elected "fundamentalists" to office there! :) ) Nor did I know that the Mormon church made such "fundamentalists" assistants to the bishop...or youth leaders...like Ron Lafferty was

That only leaves Dan Lafferty, who was a "good Mormon boy" who grew up to take D&C 68:2-4 & 132 literally. (Now what's wrong with that? Tell us Saundra, what's wrong with good Mormon boys taking their D&C expressions literally?)

I don't believe that Dan Lafferty had any known broader associations with any of the traditional fundamentalist groups, other than one guy that shared the 19th century Mormon vision of the "School of Prophets." Nor do I think that any of the Lafferty brothers had multiple wives, almost a "requirement" amongst those fundamentalist groups!

31 posted on 11/07/2011 11:52:38 AM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 

32 posted on 11/07/2011 12:40:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Doctrine and Covenants
  18:46
And after that you have received this, if you keep not my commandments you cannot be saved in the kingdom of my Father.

33 posted on 11/07/2011 12:40:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

(Excerpt)


34 posted on 11/07/2011 12:42:43 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Saundra Duffy
 
Doctrine and Covenants

Section 114 http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/114?lang=eng 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Far West, Missouri, 17 April 1838 (see History of the Church, 3:23).
 
Church positions held by those who are not faithful will be given to others.


1. Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.

2. For verily thus saith the Lord, that inasmuch as there are those among you who deny my name, others shall be planted in their stead and receive their bishopric.

Amen.


35 posted on 11/07/2011 12:52:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Ooops!! Looks like Ol' Dave met his Maker on October 25, 1838; so he didn't quite fulfill the Lord's PROPHECY of that NEXT SPRING trip!
36 posted on 11/07/2011 12:55:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy
“unconnected Mormon Fundamentalists”

Oh really - such a glib dismissial. The probably felt the same burning in the bosom you did, received a similar 'confirmation' by the 'holy ghost', you did. Believed the bom to be truth like you do, believe joseph smith to be the prophet like you do.

Unconnected my aunt fanny.

37 posted on 11/07/2011 12:57:02 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Colofornian
Feel the love.



It's all over this thread.

38 posted on 11/07/2011 1:20:11 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops. -- Mortimer Brewster)
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To: Choose Ye This Day; Zakeet
Feel the love. It's all over this thread.

(I'm not sure if the victims, relatives, descendents & relatives' descendents have ever "felt the love" of Mormons & Mormon leaders, especially those who have generationally - continually - denied their bodily remains a proper burial and a proper cross atop their sites of massacre. The Mormons were the perpetrators. The Mormon leaders were the 'cover-ups.' And the ensuing leaders never did square up and deal directly with their spiritual ancestors' role in this atrocity. It's almost like going to the least of the concentration camps in Germany -- only to find the Germans there conceding a very limited tie to how that camp got there).

As for what's "all over," well, the bones of those 120 victims are still "all over" parts of Mountain Meadows.

39 posted on 11/07/2011 2:18:02 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Feel the love.

It's all over this thread.

Notice the AVOIDANCE of the FACTS of MORMONism.

It is a component of MORMON belief system.

40 posted on 11/07/2011 2:18:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

What about all the anti-Catholic movies that have been made?

Hmmm. Good questions, with seemingly no answer.


41 posted on 11/07/2011 2:23:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
What about all the anti-Catholic movies that have been made? Hmmm. Good questions, with seemingly no answer.

Knock your self out and start a thread on them.

42 posted on 11/07/2011 2:26:13 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Salvation
What about all the anti-Catholic movies that have been made?

How about some anti-Catholic SCRIPTURE from MORMON, Inc.

Would THAT suffice?

They DO have a fancy new movie lot now!


 
http://newsroom.lds.org/article/church-goshen-movie-highlight-life-jesus-christ
 
 
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0u9WVfNqLA&feature=player_embedded

43 posted on 11/07/2011 3:48:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cicero
what are the bets that this movie will NOT be released before Mitt is nominated (as they hope), but just in time for an October 2012 surprise, in order to re-elect Hussein

I'll give you 3/1 odds on a hundred bucks right now that it won't come out until after the election.

If Warner Bros. is just now negotiating for the film rights, there's no way you're going to see this movie in time for the general election a year from now. Assuming they get the rights tomorrow, here's likely timeline:

A couple of weeks of calling in writers to hear their pitches on how they'll tell the story

Once they pick the writer, a couple of months to get a first draft.

Another couple of months of notes meetings and rewrites.

Sending the script out to actors to get them on board.

Negotating with talent and trying to get everyone's availability calendars synced.

More rewrites that the actors or director insist on.

Pre-production, location scouting, costuming, set design, etc.

Two month shooting schedule.

Post-production: Editing, scoring, sound editing, testing, re-cutting, testing, making prints.

Marketing and Publicity

If we see this movie before the 2014 mid-terms I'll be surprised.

44 posted on 11/07/2011 4:07:57 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I like to think of them as Mormon Evangelists...

“Every Mormon a missionary”

Got ladder ???


45 posted on 11/07/2011 6:45:14 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the SLC temple roof ???)
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To: Saundra Duffy

or better yet Evangalical Mormons...

To distinguish them from the Mormons who followed Joey Smith...


46 posted on 11/07/2011 6:46:43 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the SLC temple roof ???)
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To: Elsie
They DO have a fancy new movie lot now!

039° 55' 36.7"
111° 55' 52.2"

47 posted on 11/08/2011 3:38:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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