Skip to comments.Interview...Up From Down, A True Story of Recovery from Addiction with Letter from Malachi Martin
Posted on 11/06/2011 7:50:54 PM PST by abigail2
Jesse Lee Peterson has an inspiring interview with a man who overcame a deep drug addiction. He says of the book...
"Up From Down offers real hope for those seeking to overcome the hell we are born into, live out, and harbor inside. I love this book. You will too."
Jesse Lee Peterson
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Hour 2: Ted Adamson, author of new book, "Up from Down" - TOPIC: Overcoming addiction, finding a deeper meaning in life
Hour 3: PREACHERS IN THE PULPIT - TOPIC: Dr. Juanita Bynum's tumultuous relationship with Bishop Thomas Weeks III
Ted received this letter regarding possession and drug use from Malachi Martin. He thinks it is time we addressed this issue in regards to drug addiction. Call in 888 775-3773
While a mind altering substance addiction needn’t always lead to frank demonic possession, it’s quite possible. The practice referred to in the New Testament as “sorcery” in English is “pharmakia” in the original Greek, which is usage of mind altering substances for an intended purpose of connecting with the world of ungodly spirits.
Other bad habits, e.g. sexual perversions, can also invite the devil, and to belabor the obvious, the devil can be very, very mean and will try to sell his victims on the idea of becoming mean like him.
Catholic churches don’t always take this as seriously today as they did in past centuries. Like Martin points out, some bishops may not want to cooperate with the spiritual warfare part of the mission of the Christian church.
Incidentally, many serious evangelical ministries have (re)discovered biblically based ways of dealing with such situations.
Is this the same Malachi Martin who wrote “The Final Conclave” ?
I hear that many churches are rediscovering this too. Doesn't it say in the bible that in the last days the devil will be loosed on the earth and his demons. It certainly does look like they are not even trying to hide these days.
Yes, he was on Art Bells show several times.
He went through AA and NA but the programs have deteriorated and they don't really understand the causes. He says they are wrong calling it a disease. He could not accept that. Its a spiritual condition says author. JEsse says if they are implying its a disease there is nothing you can do for it. He has not drank or used drugs in 35 years, he does not have to go to the programs...he says that is an addiction in itself, having to go to the meetings. Only way he could get over it, he had to get out of those programs and found the key to the root of addiction, a spiritual awakening. He had to get down to the hatred he had which is the reason he needed to take drugs to begin with...Up From Down at Amazon, Barnes and Noble...or website... Up From Down.info
Oh, he didn't mention the letter or possession. It would have been nice to hear more. I think Ted didn't get going about the cause of addiction and answers until the end. Maybe he thought he was going to be on longer. Well, you are going to have to read the book. HE did say that since it wasnt a disease, once you get rid of the cause of addiction, you can drink in moderation without getting addicted. Intereseting.
Jesse is tellling a story about a rabbi who went into a store every morning and takes an apple and walks out. Then a salesperson who saw it every morning would tell people who said the rabbi was a good person, that he was a thief and not a good person. When the rabbi heard he went to the sales person and chatised him, saying he had an agreement with the store owner and now the salesperson ruined his reputation. The clerk said I'm sorry...what can I do to rebuild your reputation. The rabbi said take a down pillow and open it and throw the feathers up in the air, and then collect them all and put them back in the pillow....that is how hard it is to clean up your reputation.
I love that story. It really makes you think doesn't it?
Yes, abigail1, I really didn’t know how long I was going to be on but I am greatful for the time given.
Programs like AA and NA NEVER talk about possession at all. The few times I have heard it mentioned it is usually along the lines of “In the dark ages people used to think alcoholics were possessed”. It is a rare AA or NA that realizes that possession by a demon is at the root of alcholic or drug addicts difficulty in quitting.
In other words, these programs don’t even know what they are dealing with. Malachai was exactly right when he said it is abuse of drugs that opens a doorway into the soul for evil to enter..
This shouldnt be a surprise to Christians. After all, doesn’t scripture say that:
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
Her husband pushed and choked her, and he of course has to be sorry, and he is pleading guilty to aggrevated assault...and they didn't tell you what the woman did to the man. Oh, this is too painful to relate, Jesse is going to play clip of her husband telling his father how he found a wife sent to him by God.
Thanks Ted, In your book you tell how you got the demon. Can all people see when they first got their demons? Do you have to see when you got it to get rid of it. How did you deal with it?
I would think that over time, ALL substance abuse eventually causes possession to occur. Since there are MILLIONS of people who have seriously abused alcohol or drugs you can see what we are up against.
And just because they stop drinking and drugging doesnt mean the demons have left them.
WHat is to become of us, with so many possessed people. I think what you say is true. When you watch people, eventually the dark side emerges from the nicest people. It’s scary.
Yes. Malachi wrote “The Final Conclave” and a host of other books. My favorite is “Hostage to the Devil” published in 1976.
Anyone interested in the subject of possession should start with that book. M.Scott Pecks book “People of the Lie” should also be on the bookshelf.
Mine too for that matter. “Up From Down” Ted Adamson
Peck was an Episcopal Minister/Priest. His book makes a very clear case for evil in people, and he gives four excellent composite examples from a field of cases/clients he dealt with as a practicing Psychiatrist/Psychologist (I can’t remember which hewas).
I can’t really speak to what all people see, only what I saw. God will show you what you need to see, and if you need to see when you first got it, you will.
Malachi calls “when you got it” by another name. He calls it the “Point of entry”.
As far as dealing with it, you deal with it by observing it without resenting it. It is the Light from God that exorcizes these things, although there are some gifted exorcist around with authority over these things, but not many.
You really dont have to do anything but observe. Let Go and Let God.
The meditation exercise that Rev. Peterson teaches can be helpful,
That is why patience is so important. We deal with the evil we encounter in people by not hating or judging them. THAT protects us. That is why Jesus taught us to “JUDGE NOT LEAST YE BE JUDGED”.
That is also love for the possessed person.When we don’t judge them, it gives them a chance to see themselves. A “Love your enemy” sort of thing.
An acquaintance of mine says there are only two kinds of people :
“Those that are lost, and those that used to be lost”.
We owe to the lost to love them by not hating them. God was patience with us, we need to be patient with them.
I believe he was a Psychiatrist. Yes, for those who are blind to the existence of evil, Scott Peck’s book would be a good place to start.
This book is available for free, and it has helped many thousands of people. It does not hold that addiction is a disease, but rather a spiritual malady.
Addiction is a life and death matter to me. IMHO, your effort to save souls (and sell books) endangers lives. Have a nice day.
Wow Ted, good replies. Covers everything I think.
He sells his ebook for $2.99 and you can get it free if you ask. Hardly money grubbing.
Here is from the Alcoholics Anonymous World Services website:
“We who are in A.A. came because we finally gave up trying to control our drinking. We still hated to admit that we could never drink safely. Then we heard from other A.A. members that we were sick. (We thought so for years!) We found out that many people suffered from the same feelings of guilt and loneliness and hopelessness that we did. We found out that we had these feelings because we had the DISEASE of alcoholism.”
Anybody who says AA does not currently teach that Alcoholism is a disease is being disingenuous (lacking in frankness and candor).
It is true that Dr. Bob , an AA co-founder, called it a spiritual or moral malady. But that was then in 1935 and this is now. AA used to be a much better program than it currently is. Nowadays AA is accepting of things like homosexuality and even has a story of a Gay Activist in their newly revised 4th edition. I don’t denigrate the program, but I do tell the truth about it. And the truth is AA ain’t what it used to be. It has lost its way.
BTW, I kind of liked Dr. Bob and probably would have agreed with him on most things.
AA also sells Big Books for $5 I believe. AA makes a ton of money off its literature sales which I will not go into here. But here is a link which deals with the money aspect of AA world services.
My book is available at Smashwords for #2.99 which is less than the price AA sells it for.
In addition, I will give my book in pdf format to any alcoholic or drug addict that wants it and cannot afford it.
Just send me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org or contact me thru my website www.upfromdown.info
If you want to discuss it furhter, have at it. I love a good fight, especially when I know Im right.
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking, so yes, members of any group you can name are welcome, and rightly so. AA is about helping people find a way of life that works, not mandating every part of it.
And the truth is AA aint what it used to be. It has lost its way. Since you were never really a part of it, you have no basis to judge.
You can feel right all you want. It's really not my concern.
BTW, congratulations for putting 35 years of sobriety together!
It is implausible that this should always be so, or else we would have seen the Old Testament bump up drinking to the same level of wickedness as sorcery.
As C. S. Lewis put it, there is a certain kind of bad person who thinks that because it is useful for him to give up all manner of things such as drink or the theater, he wants everybody else to give it up too. All I have to say to Christians? of that sort is, are you nuts?
The New Testament says that Drunkards shall not inherit the kingdom. Isn’t that enough for you?
No it is not, because it references a habit taken to harmful excess.
And — it probably is metaphorical in the usage. Alcoholism doesn’t carry over physically to hell.
Friend, I do not wish to furnish you with anything for an excuse to feed a habit which personally overwhelmed you. But setting up theologically dubious straw men does not serve even you well in the long run, let alone other sinners whom God has granted the grace not to react in the manner you did to ethanol. You don’t want your spiritual battle to rest upon straw men.
Consider that Jesus Christ himself got accused of being a “glutton and drunkard” especially since there is nothing to prove He insisted on getting Welch’s instead of the wine being served at the bawdy parties where He dared minister, not caring about what the rabbis would say. Jesus Christ represents, among other things, the capabilities of an unfallen human.
What makes you think I was never a part of AA? I attended meetings faithfully for years, both inside prison and out. I was both the secretary and the intergroup representative for over a year of the Saturday night Speakers meeting at the Friendship Club in Orange California. I was also the H&I Chair of the Siskiyou Region of Narcotics Anonymous. You can say a lot of things about me, but you can’t truthfully say I wasn’t an AA or NA member. Why would you say such a thing when you don’t even know me? Perhaps you don’t care about being truthful?
Any long time AA member will tell you that you can hardly go to a meeting of AA without someone talking about the “disease” of alcoholism. I am looking for my 12&12 which I have but cannot find right at the moment. It clearly says that Alcoholics are smitten by a physical allergy and a mental obsesseion when they drink. Off hand I cannot remember if the word “disease” is used but I think it maybe. I will look it up when I find the book. It is a PILLAR of the program.
At any rate, just not true that I was never an AA member.
Thanks for the ping/post, abigail2. I clicked on your link (Up From Down Website) in post #2 and read the sample chapter of Ted’s book. It was very good reading. Then I come back to the thread to read comments and see that Ted is here. WOW! WOOOOHOOOOO Ted! CONGRATULATIONS! Thanks for your book, your effort to help others and thanks for being here to answer any questions.
OUTSTANDING! HOORAY abigail2, Jesse & Ted! BTTT!
thank you pgalt Nice to know your still there. HOw is work?
Good. Different shifts alot with no regular days off. I'm just getting over some cold/congestion (rare) that I've had for the last 10 days (3 days bad...one day of work missed...but no doctor visit). I hope you (and all the posters here) are healthy. Often you don't realize how important it is until you start feeling crappy.
Great thread. Thanks for starting it.
From the book...
Outside the stall I looked in the mirror. I was shocked. It was as if I was looking at a stranger. His hair was disheveled and his shirt was rumpled. The face looked hard and there were dark bags under the eyes. That cant be me, I thought. I peered closer at the image in the mirror; the skin on the face looked pale and clammy. I saw the scar under the left eye from the drunk-driving accident. Yes, it really was me.
For some reason an urge to curse at the reflection came over me. I raised my voice, You son of a bitch, youre the one thats been after me. The image in the mirror didnt answer.
” Its a spiritual condition says author.’
Like it or not, most things ARE.
Why pick this passage out of the book to post?
Is something that happened 38 years ago somehow relevant to what we were discussing here?
I thought it was a great passage in the sample chapter.
You son of a bitch, youre the one thats been after me.
Tremendous insight into our individual problems.
Oh. Well, I guess so
Sorry for the offense. I absolutely do care about being truthful. I just didn’t bother to fully read your biography.
Good luck to you.