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SLC Utah: Mormon Church Officials Release Extensive List Of "Stake Centers" Opening Their Doors
Exmormon.org ^ | November 8, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 11/08/2011 6:51:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39

News Int'l - Dateline 11/7/11 - SLC Utah: Mormon Church Officials Release Extensive List Of Church Facilities Opening Their Doors for Thanksgiving Meals for Homeless and Needy...

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Humor; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: charity; lds; mormon
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1 posted on 11/08/2011 6:51:46 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Not surprising at all.
In the little desert valley where we (husband and I) have a place every year ALL the churches get together and have a Thanksgiving feast at the community center. (area only has about 5,000 people). They come together, after planning for months this event to feed and celebrate with those in need.
EXCEPT the lds ward, oh they have an event but it is only for their members - period.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 7:00:16 AM PST by svcw
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To: greyfoxx39

Dont worry Grey ...

The homeless and needy can always come to the Christian Church I attend and get food and clothing and help...

We infidel/apostate whore-of-Babylon Christians are strange that way...

It all depends on which Jesus you follow...

The mormon man jesus or the LORD Jesus Christ who is the God of the Christian Bible..

Shedding Blood on the Cross and dying on the Cross makes all the difference...


3 posted on 11/08/2011 7:05:58 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

You’d think that the LDS hosting an everybody-welcome Thanksgiving Day event would be a PERFECT opportunity to give their Gentile guests the full mishie witnessing hard sell.

They could even say that turkeys were first brought to North America by the Nephites.

;^)


4 posted on 11/08/2011 7:17:35 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: greyfoxx39

YES. The LDS Church provides welfare support to millions of people on a day to day basis.

NO. The LDS Church doesn’t grandstand by opening soup kitchens just two days a year ... Thanksgiving and Christmas.

I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year.

.... after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.

In other words .... you guys are demostrating your Christian Hypocrisy!


5 posted on 11/08/2011 7:18:41 AM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: elcid1970

They could but as everyone knows...

Turkeys dont do well in open underwater submarines..

They were sent on ahead as front men...

;)


6 posted on 11/08/2011 7:20:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe; Elsie

after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.
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Is that why Mormons hold press conferences when they send 100 $600 shanties to Haiti ???


7 posted on 11/08/2011 7:22:59 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe; Elsie

after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.
__________________________________________

So are you saying that Mormons dont get tax refunds from their club fees to Mormon Inc ???

I thought part of the Mormon business was “tax exempt” ???


8 posted on 11/08/2011 7:25:39 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
The homeless and needy can always come to the Christian Church I attend and get food and clothing and help...

Exactly.

9 posted on 11/08/2011 7:39:39 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: teppe
The LDS Church provides welfare support to millions of people on a day to day basis.

Please provide a link to substantiate that the mormon church provides welfare support to non-members...

I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year.

The mormon church has a patent on "grandstanding" its charitable work...including having members wear yellow tee shirts to flaunt membership when they show up at disasters.

There are thousands of Christian churches that provide for the poor and needy 365 days a year...to NON-members as well as their own who have no need to advertise.

Who could miss the Salvation Army?

Another Example HERE

Samaritan's Purse

10 posted on 11/08/2011 7:46:57 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; teppe
Is that why Mormons hold press conferences when they send 100 $600 shanties to Haiti ???

You mean these nana?

Oh, and nearly 4 BILLION for the mormon shopping mall in slc.

11 posted on 11/08/2011 7:57:23 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: greyfoxx39

Our local Baptist church always had a dinner for the community during Thanksgiving week and Christmas week.

Soon they were overwhelmed with people, not homeless or hungry, just looking for a free meal. The guests always ate first and soon there was no food for the regular church attendees.
Children running everywhere, massive waste (Alligator eyes and a squirrel’s behind), food fights.

It was finally stopped by having the dinner for church members AND INVITED GUESTS only.

The rabble were going from church to church gobbling down, and wasting, the free food.


12 posted on 11/08/2011 8:02:22 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The freeloaders will always be with us, I guess.

One of my churches would deliver complete Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners to families in the community, no membership required. They also had a congregational dinner for the members, and many non-members would attend.

13 posted on 11/08/2011 8:10:16 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)
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To: teppe
"I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year."

Not so. The local churches support and coordinate with the local homeless shelters [or as you put it, "soup kitchens"] in my area year round. There are budgets within many of the local CHRISTIAN congregations to support this very thing to ensure that meals are ALWAYS available.

The support you mention about welfare has more to do with mormons receiving support than non-members, that's just the way it is. And you know what? After a certain amount of time [or amount of $$], the people are cut off from receiving the welfare.

About the hypocrisy, is that why the mormons feel compelled to wear those yellow shirts and have press releases and news conferences whenever they decide to help out?

14 posted on 11/08/2011 8:14:29 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Samaritan’s Purse, Salvation Army, World Vision and
so many others do fantastic work worldwide 365 days a year.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 8:26:14 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: greyfoxx39
Please provide a link to substantiate that the mormon church provides welfare support to non-members...

I live in SLC and I'm non-LDS. I had some non-LDS friends that are pathetic with their money that got help from the church. The church does help non-LDS folks too.

16 posted on 11/08/2011 8:34:27 AM PST by Dick Tater
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To: teppe

YES. The LDS Church provides welfare support to millions of people on a day to day basis.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700009383/LDS-Church-sending-temporary-housing-kits-to-Haiti.html


17 posted on 11/08/2011 8:36:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: teppe

The LDS Church doesn’t grandstand...

http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product3_715839595_10557_21150_-1__195951


18 posted on 11/08/2011 8:38:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: teppe

http://www.google.com/search?q=Mormon+Helping+Hands&hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=hFm5TuvTM4ausQL4l6zNCA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CCMQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=651&sei= hlm5Tt_xGcm1tgfxuN20Bw


19 posted on 11/08/2011 8:39:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yer numbers are backward...


20 posted on 11/08/2011 8:39:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The rabble 99% were going from church to church gobbling down, and wasting, the free food.
21 posted on 11/08/2011 8:41:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: teppe; greyfoxx39
YES. The LDS Church provides welfare support to millions of people on a day to day basis.

NO. The LDS Church doesn’t grandstand by opening soup kitchens just two days a year ... Thanksgiving and Christmas.

I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year.

.... after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.

You know this how?

Would you care to provide sources and links to support your contention that this is indeed how Christians operate? That they indeed don't help others throughout the year and that their Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners are just grandstanding? That they are indeed hypocrites in the way they relate to the poor?

22 posted on 11/08/2011 9:06:48 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: teppe; greyfoxx39
Luke 18:9-14 9He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10"Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.'

13But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."

23 posted on 11/08/2011 9:08:38 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“The rabble were going from church to church gobbling down, and wasting, the free food.”

Good point.


24 posted on 11/08/2011 1:31:15 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: greyfoxx39

This is perplexing. Whenever we have any kind of event that involves food, we are always requested to bring non members. There’s always plenty of food and plenty of good feelings.

Plus the LDS Church helps non members and members all over the world. There should be nothing but good things to say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Just like all the Christian churches that reach out to people in need. Sheeeesh already.


25 posted on 11/08/2011 1:36:39 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy; greyfoxx39
Plus the LDS Church helps non members and members all over the world.

From the exmormon source of the article: I volunteered in a cannery. They had the production schedule up. Out of the 12,000 cans we produced, 11.500 were specifically made to be sold. Only 450 were marked humanitarian. This says it all.

So, the Lds sets aside about 4% for "humanitarian" -- and sells the rest of its cans?

It can't even match the tithe it imposes on its members?

26 posted on 11/08/2011 1:49:36 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“There should be nothing but good things to say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”

OK, I’ll try!

Here are some good things I can say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

... It is an uplifting teaching that we can all become mormon gods - very inspirational in such a depressing age!
... It is so nice to see the level of dedication of those young elders as they go door to door telling Christians their Churches are false - they inspire us all.
... It is a real service to humanity that the mormon church has recycled all those condemned heresies, instead of leaving them on the dustbin of Church history - recycling is a good thing, I’ve heard.

See everyone, it is easy!


27 posted on 11/08/2011 4:05:12 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: teppe

Do you have a source for that claim.
The wards where ever I have lived ONLY serve their members.
In fact according to my lds family members, when a ward helps their own members, they (the lds members) are required to pay back the “charity”.
As far as the “grandstanding” claim, I have never seen a Christian church with a PR division, as does the lds group in SLC.


28 posted on 11/08/2011 5:08:34 PM PST by svcw
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To: Saundra Duffy

My lds family has told me that when “charity” is given to its members they are asked to pay it back.
Do you have a source for the lds SLC group helping non members?


29 posted on 11/08/2011 5:12:29 PM PST by svcw
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To: Saundra Duffy
There should be nothing but good things to say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Let's start here!


Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 

30 posted on 11/08/2011 6:37:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
Feeding the homeless and needy at Thanksgiving will fill their belly and give them warmth for a day, but the Book of Mormon will fill their spiritual belly and warm their bosom for a lifetime!

And then they die; and find out that the 'salvation' that MORMONism offers is, shall we say, a bit lacking.

31 posted on 11/08/2011 6:39:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
4.We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When do we find out about the SECOND or THIRD principles?

32 posted on 11/08/2011 6:41:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

#6 & #7

...and so forth???

That’s really precise!


33 posted on 11/08/2011 6:42:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
10.We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.


Isaiah 65:17 "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
Isaiah 66:22 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure. .
2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
 
 
Revelation 21:1

King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

34 posted on 11/08/2011 6:49:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39

My Stake Center has a food drive on right now for Community Food Bank. Here is what is requested for us to put in each individual box:

1 (5 oz) bx stuffing; 1 pkg gravy; 2 lbs rice; 2 lbs pinto beans; 1 bx instant potatoes; 2 bx mac ‘n cheese; 2 (15 oz) cans of green beans; 2 (5 oz) cans fruit cocktail; and 1 cake mix

The LDS Church is busy world-wide helping non members so I am perplexed why you posted this thing. I am waiting for an apology . . .


35 posted on 11/09/2011 1:37:11 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
"The LDS Church is busy world-wide helping non members"

Source?

My lds family says that when members are "helped" they are required to pay back the "charity".

Didn't you say just a few posts back that lds "help" people all year? So why the "food drive" for Thanksgiving? You disparaged Christian Churches that have feasts for the community on Thanksgiving, as I recall. Waiting for an apology.

36 posted on 11/09/2011 2:35:01 PM PST by svcw
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To: Elsie

Just read on an lds site that they (lds) have donated one billion dollars in cash and aide since 1987. They included in that figure the 53K “missionaries”.
When one figures that lds collects over a billion a year in forced tithes, well its just not much.


37 posted on 11/09/2011 2:43:45 PM PST by svcw
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To: Saundra Duffy
I am waiting for an apology . . .

It may be a while; as there are a LOT of PRESBYTERIANs ahead of you.

38 posted on 11/09/2011 3:49:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw

Source?

Just read on an lds site that they (lds) have donated one billion dollars in cash and aide since 1987. They included in that figure the 53K “missionaries”.
When one figures that lds collects over a billion a year in forced tithes, well its just not much.


39 posted on 11/09/2011 3:50:16 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
My conclusion: When one figures that lds collects over a billion a year in forced tithes, well its just not much.

Source: http://mormon.org/faq/mormons-help-everyone/ AND since the lds group WILL NOT open its books for examination, I just guessed on the one billion dollar a year figure. AND yes I did say forced tithe as my lds family and friends are required to show to their bishop every year their W2s, so they can be billed (yes billed) their tithes.

40 posted on 11/09/2011 4:04:39 PM PST by svcw
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To: Saundra Duffy
When you admit that LDS, INC. has probably over $50 billion in assets....

I will take your posts seriously.

41 posted on 11/09/2011 4:09:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I am waiting for an apology . . .

As are the Christian Churches....from your founder, Joe Smith.

42 posted on 11/09/2011 4:13:04 PM PST by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: svcw

AND yes I did say forced tithe as my lds family and friends are required to show to their bishop every year their W2s, so they can be billed (yes billed) their tithes.

I wounder why I have never heard of this.


43 posted on 11/09/2011 10:02:58 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Two men were shipwrecked near an island. When they landed ashore, one of them began screaming and yelling, “We’re going to die! We’re going to die! There’s no food! No water! We’re going to die!”

The second man leaned calmly against a palm tree.

When the first man saw how calm his friend was, he went crazy and shouted, “Don’t you understand?! We’re going to die!!”Undisturbed, the second man replied, “You don’t understand, I make $100,000 a week.”

Dumbfounded, the first man looked at him and asked, “What difference does that make?!? We’re on an island with no food and no water! We’re going to DIE!!!”

The second man answered, “You just don’t get it. I make $100,000 a week and I tithe ten percent on that $100,000 a week. Wherever I am, my pastor will be sure to find me!”


44 posted on 11/09/2011 10:16:52 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4406058

Interesting. I have never heard.


45 posted on 11/10/2011 12:42:47 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
I wounder why I have never heard of this.

Google is our friend...


And you thought dealing with the IRS was fun !!

http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement

46 posted on 11/10/2011 5:49:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlueMoose

Great!


47 posted on 11/10/2011 5:49:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlueMoose

It is interesting Blue. Not every mormon has experienced that “tithing” bill. My lds friends in southern California, just made a quick reference that their bishop requires that they show their W2s and he sends them a bill each moth based on those W2s. At first I though she was joking and laughed. She wasn’t.
I asked my lds uncle (former bishop) and he said in their current ward (also southern California, different area) that is the practice as well.
There are a few former mormons on FR who have posted that they have had similar experiences with “billed” tithing. Don’t remember which ones.
Tithing is between you and God not between you and some guy.
Tithing is a form of worship, not a prerequisite to anything.


48 posted on 11/10/2011 5:56:24 AM PST by svcw
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To: Elsie; BlueMoose

Oh, Blue and you said you have never heard of “tithing” billing. Hum....I guess you were just funning me.
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement


49 posted on 11/10/2011 5:59:45 AM PST by svcw
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To: BlueMoose

Probably because of the fact that it isn’t true.

Tithing settlement happens in December. Who has their W2 before the year is even over?

It’s done on the honour system, you are given a list of what you’ve contributed to make sure the records are correct, and then check a box to indicate if you are are full, part or non tithe payer and that is as detailed as it gets. No bill, no checking what your income is etc. The only thing that even comes sort of close to that is if you are an employee of the church I think you are required to be a full tithe payer as a condition of employment, but if you don’t like that don’t apply for a job there.

Nobody is compelled by anything other than their own personal convictions. I find if so funny that some conservatives can sound like a bunch of Occupy Wall Street goons when it comes to the financial standing of my church.


50 posted on 11/10/2011 6:46:11 AM PST by Grig
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