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“If your right hand causes you to sin cut it off”! What did Jesus mean? Here is what Beinsa Douno
Beinsa Douno

Posted on 11/08/2011 10:46:38 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth

“If your right hand causes you to sin cut it off”! < Mark 9:43 >> What did Jesus meant? Here is the answer Beinsa Douno gives:

"Can our hand lead us into temptation? - Yes, it is possible. Every material thing, power or body that we possess can lead us into temptation...." According to Beinsa Douno - The hand is an expression/symbol of the reasonable/intelligent in man..... "If your right hand causes you to sin." If your unreasonable life leads you into temptations and gives one twisted/wrong understanding, one twisted/wrong theory, through which (which causes) your mind, your heart, and your will to enter in delusion, throw out that theory, it is of no use for you...... Every temptation is a great stumbling block in the right development of the human mind and heart. BD.

That is pretty much the concept in what Christ meant according to Beinsa Douno in the lecture he gave: "If your right hand causes you to sin cut it off....."

I know a fire storm is coming. Some will argue that Jesus didn't use symbolic language here, that people should be cutting off their hands and legs if they lead them into temptation so they can go to Heaven. (They will find some support from Sharia muslims). Others will look for something else to argue upon. Others may find that the interpretation Beinsa Douno gives is the right one. What is your thought on the subject?


TOPICS: Eastern Religions; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; religion

1 posted on 11/08/2011 10:46:42 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

Matthew 18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

doesn’t seem symbolic....


2 posted on 11/08/2011 10:55:39 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
The language Yah’shua uses comes right out of Rabbinic teaching he had. It is completely symbolic. Yah’shua was talking about oral religious dogma that has no foundation in Torah. Man made religious doctrine that oppresses others in order to make them succumb to their religious dogma. Specifically at that time, Yah’shua was talking about the Talmud(Jewish oral law), but today it also pertains to religious laws, ordinances and traditions put in place by Christendom that have taken away from Torah & also those that have added additional ordinances via replacement of HIS Holy appointed times such as the Sabbath and HIS yearly convocations with their own that are based on the pagan religious calendar.
3 posted on 11/08/2011 10:59:13 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: stylin19a

Christ routinely used hyperboly to make His point. He simply meant to not hold on to anything that is causing you to not live the full Christian life.

Whether it be your job or home or relationships, if it’s causing you to compromise your Christian experience, get rid of it.


4 posted on 11/08/2011 11:02:16 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: stylin19a

Seems symbolic to me. If your seeing something (your eye) cause you to sin (lust is what I think of as that fits me) - I would need to pluck out BOTH my eyes. I imagine Jesus would have understood that I can gaze on a good-looking gal with one eye just as well as two eyes.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 11:12:01 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: Jonty30

In the Catholic Act of Contrition, we say, “I firmly resolve, with the help of thy grace, to sin no more, AND TO AVOID THE NEAR OCCASION OF SIN.” Sounds like the same thing.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 11:13:52 PM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: stylin19a
doesn’t seem symbolic....

It's completely symbolic if one takes it in the context it was said

Mark 9:14 When they got back to the talmidim, they saw a large crowd around them and some Torah-teachers arguing with them... 19 “People without any trust!” he responded. “How long will I be with you? How long must I put up with you?... 42 “Whoever ensnares one of these little ones who trust me — it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown in the sea. 43 If your hand makes you sin, cut it off! Better that you should be maimed but obtain eternal life, rather than keep both hands and go to Gei-Hinnom, to unquenchable fire!... 47 And if your eye makes you sin, pluck it out! Better that you should be one-eyed but enter the Kingdom of God, rather than keep both eyes and be thrown into Gei-Hinnom... 50 Salt is excellent, but if it loses its saltiness, how will you season it? So have salt in yourselves”

In context the people were arguing over religious doctrine as well as who is more righteous, higher on the totem pole so to speak. Yah'shua reminded them that there is only one doctrine, so have prudence and work to preserve what He is teaching, which is his Father's Torah, rather than bickering amongst themselves. If we keep HIS Torah pure and full of flavor, then we ourselves are full of flavor in HIS eyes.

7 posted on 11/08/2011 11:32:56 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

I think it’s important that none of the Apostles incorporated this literal teaching into their letters, nor were early Christians walking around missing eyes and hands.

Jesus’ point was how holy the Father is, and how sinful we truly are. Gouging out eyes and cutting off hands only prevents further sin in that particular area - it cannot atone for sin. When one understands that God judges even our thoughts and motives, there would be nothing left of us if this were literal.

Getting serious about sin and mortifying it from the body is what God desires from everyone, but especially from those who believe in His Son.


8 posted on 11/08/2011 11:35:18 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

Ok newbie, your Right hand is your hand of focus. Why would you cut it off? Jesus never meant such. I think He meant quit screwing around and come to Him.


9 posted on 11/08/2011 11:46:06 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: stylin19a
“... Matthew 18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

doesn’t seem symbolic.... ... “

That is to you.

Let me ask you a question. If you are going to Heaven, what are you planing to take with you? Meaning do you think people with these physical bodies go up there? Or down there in hell?
Did you assume you will be going to Heaven with your physical body? .......... These physical bodies have purpose only on Earth. So you need for your needs while on earth every part of your body. But you don't need
those desires (like more and more money ... etc.) that will lead you to hell.

Just reason a bit.

10 posted on 11/08/2011 11:56:37 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
Jesus was making a point about how fathomlessly horrible hell is. Nothing in this world is worth going there, not even your eyes or hands. If plucking out your eye would help you to repent then yes it would be wise to do it rather then go into eternity unrepentant.

He also talked about people even becoming eunuchs for the Kingdom of God's sake. Time on earth is extremely fleeting and no suffering here can even begin to compare to the suffering of ending up in hell for all of eternity.

Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].

11 posted on 11/09/2011 12:04:47 AM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: stylin19a

“doesn’t seem symbolic....”

Of course it is...the point is that our soul is worth much more than our physical being...and that temptation of any kind is evil at work and we should strive to push temptation away. None of us are perfect...God knows this.


12 posted on 11/09/2011 1:20:18 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: stylin19a

I glued my eyes to the wall, laughed my head off, flew out the door, cried my eyes out and cut off my nose to spite my face. Literal or symbolic?


13 posted on 11/09/2011 4:52:20 AM PST by JPG (The loons at OWS will soon be at each others throats.)
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To: stylin19a

Seems completely symbolic, actually.


14 posted on 11/09/2011 5:04:31 AM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Wpin
"Of course it is...the point is that our soul is worth much more than our physical being...and that temptation of any kind is evil at work and we should strive to push temptation away. None of us are perfect...God knows this."

Absolutely right. The bible teaches throughout that sin comes from the heart. Thus, cutting off physical members won't stop sin. In fact Jesus said it was a sin even to have sinful thoughts. Should people also cut out their brains? One thing the passage does establish without question: The horrible reality that hell does exist.

15 posted on 11/09/2011 8:03:28 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
Beinsa Douno

Is a false teacher in regards to anything he claims Jesus said or taught. In the passage cited, Jesus is using hyperbolic language to warning his followers about the the agents of sinful activities. Beinsa has no clue regarding the context of the passage. It does NOT involve the expression/symbol of the reasonable/intelligent in man (clearly he forgot to define the foot and eye as well)

Further, Beinsa and his Great White Brotherhood associates practice the biblically prohibited 'channeling' to so-called ascended masters and other seance related meetings.

The "Great White Brotherhood" is also associated with numerous other destructive cults such as Clair Prophet's cult, Ramtha, Saint Germain, and Maitreya followers.

16 posted on 11/09/2011 9:02:36 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

I say he is a true master. There are tons of proof. Anyway, you know nothing about what he teaches and I don’t really care what lies you or others say about him.

I know what he preaches and it is: Love, brotherhood, and sisterhood.


17 posted on 11/09/2011 12:01:35 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth
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To: Love Wisdom Truth; aMorePerfectUnion; ejonesie22
I say he is a true master.

Yes, a master of deception and disciple of THE master deceiver.

Anyway, you know nothing about what he teaches and I don’t really care what lies you or others say about him.

Oh really - show me the lies I've said about him then lwt. From the website:

http://www.american-buddha.com/greatwhitebrotherhood.htm

it states specifically and clearly -

"The term Great White Brotherhood or White Brotherhood as frequently found in older occult literature is thought by its followers to be a collegiate body of enlightened spiritual beings, once mortals, who continue to take an interest in the spiritual development of the human race. The Ascended Masters are believed by some to form such a college.
The Great White Brotherhood is the name given in metaphysical/occult circles to those adepts of wisdom who have finished their earthly pilgrimages (the cycles of reincarnation and karma) and, while ascending to a higher state of existence as masters of space, time and material existence, have assumed responsibility for the cosmic destiny of the human race, both individually and collectively. Most occult groups assign a high level of importance to the Brotherhood, but some make interaction with the Ascended Masters of the Brotherhood a major focus of their existence.

Further associated are Nicholas Roerich and his wife, Helena Roerich, inspired by the Theosophical writings of H.P. Blavatsky published the "Agni Yoga" series of books, with contents inspired by the Mahatmas, or Masters of the Great White Brotherhood from their stronghold in the Himalayas Shambhala.

If you are aware of your master's history, he has links to the Theosophical Society and its practioners and Rudolf Steiner, identified Master Beinsa Douno as manifestation of the Bodhisattva Maitreya. New age occultism oozes from every pore of his teachings.

I know what he preaches and it is: Love, brotherhood, and sisterhood.

A statement as obtuse as any from a cult that has been represented here in FR. Scratching deeper we can see that is not what he really teaches -

The sense of human life on earth is to realize, throughout multiple reincarnations, a higher reason, to acquire liberation from the limitations of the lower forms of existence. Man has to liberate himself gradually from his animal instincts and this must be done not by destroying them but by submitting them to the higher life. He has to create his higher bodies, to reveal himself for the supreme Divine conscience and for the supreme love and to become a more perfect organ in the Divine system. Everyone has to liberate himself from his low egoism and limited conscience and has to begin living in a greater harmony with the Divine entity. The more completely he reveals himself throughout this entity, the greater is his harmony with the reasonable nature, with God.
(http://www.bratstvoto.net/vehadi/menuen/fr1nen.html)

Reincarnation and the rest of the occultic new age agenda.

18 posted on 11/09/2011 12:28:05 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

The title is, well, cut off.


19 posted on 11/09/2011 12:29:18 PM PST by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

Welcome n00b!

First, to observe the customs here, any opinion you post here that is not linked to an actual website
should be labeled as [Vanity]. Since you did not link a site here, you posted a vanity.

Second, cultic materials can be posted, but do not be shocked when people point out that you are
posting cultic materials.

best to you,
ampu


20 posted on 11/09/2011 12:42:54 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
Mormonism is a wolf in sheep's clothing... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (John 5:39)

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” (Matthew 7:15; 2nd Corinthians 11:13).

 
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21 posted on 11/09/2011 12:47:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Godzilla
Beinsa Douno?

Wow, I thought that all died off finally.

What is it in this modern era with a need for all this wacko cult stuff?

Too much time on folks hands I guess...

22 posted on 11/09/2011 1:41:43 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Same lies - rewrapped and with a differnt bow.


23 posted on 11/09/2011 1:43:35 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla
Buddhist Christianity...

Sometimes you just have to stand and stare...

24 posted on 11/09/2011 1:48:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

zot


25 posted on 11/09/2011 2:08:29 PM PST by xone
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

Always seemed like a slam to me, if you’re dumb enough to think your hand leads you to sin might as well cut it off. Sin doesn’t stem from the body, it stems from the mind, you decide what the hand will and won’t touch, if that touching is sinful it’s not the hand’s fault.


26 posted on 11/09/2011 2:12:16 PM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: Godzilla
CAN you please PROVIDE EVIDENCE of the negative ideas Beinsa Douno preaches. I Have NEVER Found a Single one for Over 15 years of studying his lectures.

How can you know more than me on the teaching he gave?

You, don't know like a few others here, but you are quick to slander because you can't stand others not thinking and believing like those in your church. I believe in reincarnation and Karma, sorry if that is not to your likes. There are others that like my posts, and that agree with them.

27 posted on 11/09/2011 2:21:41 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth
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To: Love Wisdom Truth; Godzilla
Believing in or teaching that reincarnation has ANYTHING to do with Christianity is pretty all the evidence any thinking person needs.

If the point of the Christian journey is to join our father in heaven then coming back as a dung beetle or a frog seems to circumvent and negate that.

As far as “others” that agree with your posts I haven't seen too many, but we do have some other relgious nuts here so it's possible.

28 posted on 11/09/2011 2:32:48 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
If your right hand causes you to sin cut it off”! < Mark 9:43 >>

I know a guy who read "pluck out your eye..." and gouged his eye out.

I am more concerned about this one:

Matt 10:34 “(B)Do not think that I came to [b]bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to (C)SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;

I know this is not literal...a sword... but the messiah is supposed to unify familes...not seperate them. The real purpose of Micah 7 was it that the evil people seperated families.

29 posted on 11/09/2011 2:55:45 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960

You are right, it is a symbolic language. .... There is wisdom in it. Please share the meaning (if you find it) you think Jesus meant to give us.

“I know a guy who read “pluck out your eye...” and gouged his eye out.”
Did he really do it? How’s he doing now?


30 posted on 11/09/2011 3:07:41 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth
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To: Love Wisdom Truth; aMorePerfectUnion; ejonesie22
CAN you please PROVIDE EVIDENCE of the negative ideas Beinsa Douno preaches. I Have NEVER Found a Single one for Over 15 years of studying his lectures.

One is never so blind as he who refuses to see

Oh I cited several already in the previous. Reincarnation - bzzzzt, that's a non-starter. Of course for those who believe that their sin can be worked out in multiple life cycles miss the point that Jesus rebuked that idea. Since Jesus rebuked it - that stands to be a pretty NEGATIVE stance towards

How can you know more than me on the teaching he gave?

His teachings are variations of what dozens of gnostic/new agers have taught for decades now (dare say over a century). Same old, same old nonsequiter metaphysical babble.

but you are quick to slander

Well, given that you haven't proven the slander part. . . . However, you want to prop him up as an expert in what Jesus taught - then he better have his ducks in a row.

I believe in reincarnation and Karma, sorry if that is not to your likes. There are others that like my posts, and that agree with them.

Hmmmmmmm, guess there IS no slander here, since I nailed the reincarnation and associate karma stuff. What some here won't do is peal the siding off the sayings and reveal the source worldview underlying these 'sayings'. Lots of cults and false religions don't like that when it happen - screws up recruiting efforts. And as shown, he twists the passage as well as selectively quotes it to meet his ends.

Jesus commands you to repent. Jesus taught that there was no reincarnation or Karma - but that man had a sin problem separating him from God - that no amount of effort by man alone can bridge. For any to come here and say otherwise better have some thick skin and back up beyond an appeal to some guru lwt. Note that for future reference.

31 posted on 11/09/2011 4:32:54 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: circlecity

“The horrible reality that hell does exist.”

Yes, I have been thinking of late that if evil were not an active force...then it would have ceased to exist by now. It has to have a power behind it to continue on...to tempt us to do wrong.


32 posted on 11/09/2011 6:29:29 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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