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A Presbyterian exodus over allowing openly gay to be ordained
The News Tribune ^ | 11/14/11 | STEVE MAYNARD

Posted on 11/14/2011 8:55:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy

Chapel Hill Presbyterian Church in Gig Harbor voted Sunday to leave the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), primarily because the denomination changed its constitution to allow noncelibate gay men and lesbians to be ordained as clergy and lay leaders.

With 1,660 members, Chapel Hill Presbyterian is one of the largest mainline Protestant churches in the South Sound region.

The Rev. Mark Toone, senior pastor of Chapel Hill, said his congregation reached a “tipping point” last spring when a majority of regional governing bodies, called presbyteries, voted to change the church’s ordination standards, permitting openly gay people to be ordained.

“For 30 years, we have battled over the same theological turf,” Toone told about 1,200 parishioners before Sunday’s vote. While it’s painful to leave the denomination, Toone said, “it would be more painful to remain.”

Sumner Presbyterian Church also voted Sunday to depart. Two other South Sound Presbyterian congregations, First Presbyterian of Tacoma and Evergreen Presbyterian in Graham, also decided recently to leave the denomination.

Chapel Hill members voted by written ballot whether to leave and join the smaller Evangelical Presbyterian Church. About 92 percent of the members who cast ballots voted to do so.

After dropping their ballots into purple bins following a congregational meeting, several members said they voted to leave in response to the ordination of gays and lesbians and other issues of disagreement.

“The church is being influenced by culture,” said Deanna Nilsen. “There has to come a point when we stand on the word of God.”

“It’s a mixed feeling,” said Tiersa Chaffin. “It’s bittersweet. It’s hard to separate.”

Chapel Hill prepared for the vote for seven months, studying issues and working with its regional body, the Presbytery of Olympia.

“It’s been a long process,” said Margie Doerksen. “It’s sort of a relief … to take this first step.”

Doerksen said Chapel Hill welcomes gay men and lesbians into the congregation.

“We choose not to have them in leadership because we feel that’s scripturally correct,” Doerksen said.

At 134-year-old Sumner Presbyterian, 90 percent of the members present Sunday voted to leave their denomination and join The Evangelical Covenant Church.

A “yes” vote equaling 75 percent of members present was required to proceed with leaving.

“It’s a big step to take,” said the Rev. Steve Starr, pastor of 365-member Sumner Presbyterian. In the decision to leave, he said, “I think there’s a lot of unity.”

The congregations’ advisory votes to leave are not final.

The Presbytery of Olympia is expected to vote Thursday to set up commissions that would negotiate with congregations on terms of withdrawal. Those agreements in part would address how much a congregation would pay to assume control of its land and buildings. Properties currently are held in trust by the presbytery on behalf of the denomination.

The congregations would then take another advisory vote on whether to accept the terms of withdrawal. A final vote by the presbytery could take place as early as January.

“It’s sad to see them go, but we’ll respect their process and their decisions,” said the Rev. Lynn Longfield, general presbyter of the Presbytery of Olympia.

She said four other congregations are in the process of discerning whether they want to leave the denomination.

Last spring, a nationwide vote gave presbyteries the option to ordain gay men and lesbians as clergy by removing the ordination requirement of “fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity in singleness.”

The Presbytery of Olympia voted against the change and has not ordained gays. Congregations can now choose whether to ordain openly gay people for positions as lay leaders, called elders and deacons.

The Presbytery of Olympia includes all of Pierce and Thurston counties and extends to Woodland, north of Vancouver. It has 9,600 members in 49 congregations.

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), which has about 2.3 million members, joined three other denominations that permit the ordination of gays: the Episcopal Church, the United Church of Christ and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: abominationtogod; fauxchristians; gaychurch; homosexualagenda; lesbyterians; pcusa
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To: Dutchboy88

Hermeneutics being somewhat inscrutable ... and you must admit that ... I disagree with you.

There’s also Galatians 3:28 to consider.

Honestly, I don’t know what prompted the ping to this thread. Perhaps you expected me to say something other than my belief?


41 posted on 11/15/2011 2:53:07 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Dutchboy88
Please, please, please inform us of the passage which tells us what "organization" Paul belonged to?

but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. -- 1 Tim 3:15
There's your answer.
42 posted on 11/15/2011 2:59:07 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Alex Murphy
With 1,660 members, Chapel Hill Presbyterian is one of the largest mainline Protestant churches in the South Sound region.

The PCUSA is, what, 2 million members now? This is almost a full percent loss, all by itself.

43 posted on 11/15/2011 3:29:28 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You fool! Don't you know every Taurus purchased brings us closer to TEOTWAWKI?")
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To: Campion
"but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. -- 1 Tim 3:15"

So, according to the Scriptures Paul belonged to no organization, but just to the church of the Living God? Yes, of course, that is true. Notice, no Roman Catholic Church, no Roman anything, no organization. Thank you for the support.

44 posted on 11/15/2011 4:15:45 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Lee N. Field
"This is almost a full percent loss, all by itself."

).083%

45 posted on 11/15/2011 5:04:04 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law

doh!


46 posted on 11/15/2011 6:28:00 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You fool! Don't you know every Taurus purchased brings us closer to TEOTWAWKI?")
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To: Dutchboy88

Standard M.O. among the most rabid of FRoman Catholics.


47 posted on 11/15/2011 6:31:56 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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