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Provo city to file charges against LDS bishop
Provo Herald ^ | Nov. 15, 2011 | Jim Dalrymple

Posted on 11/15/2011 6:34:44 PM PST by Colofornian

PROVO -- Provo city will pursue misdemeanor charges against an LDS bishop who allegedly failed to notify authorities after an underage congregant told him she had been sexually abused.

Amado Rojas will face one count of failure to report child abuse, according to Provo Police Sgt. Mathew Siufanua. The decision to pursue the charge comes after a lengthy investigation that began with the arrest of Jose Ortega in August. According to a 13-year-old girl, she and Ortega both attended a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints children's party. After a water fight at the party, the girl testified during a preliminary hearing, Ortega grabbed and groped her.

According to a police report, the girl then told Rojas about the incident. As an ecclesiastical leader, Rojas is legally required to notify authorities if an alleged victim tells him about abuse. However, police reported that Rojas did not contact authorities and Ortega was only arrested after his accuser later told a school counselor about the incident.

But while Rojas will face criminal charges, the case against Ortega was dismissed on Monday. Prosecutor Craig Johnson said that investigators recently managed to find another witness, whose testimony could have suggested that the touching occurred accidentally, rather than for sexual purposes.

Throughout the investigation into the incident, the extent of Rojas's knowledge was a focus for investigators. Provo police Detective Brian Taylor said in September that Rojas's attorney said the girl only offered a vague account that something had happened.

Rojas's attorney Mike Esplin said Tuesday that Rojas only learned about the incident six weeks after it occurred. According to Esplin, the accuser contacted Rojas between church meetings on a Sunday.

"She said the guy had grabbed her from behind, touched her over clothing," Esplin said of that initial contact between Rojas and Ortega's accuser. "She said it occurred at a Primary party and she gave the name of the individual."

However, Esplin said the girl was accompanied that Sunday by three female friends, and Rojas felt it would be inappropriate to discuss the topic in front of the other girls. As a result, Rojas reportedly told the girl to talk with her parents and come back.

While waiting for the girl to return, Rojas spent several days trying to find out what happened, Esplin said. Rojas contacted Ortega -- who Esplin said described the incident as an accident -- as well as another witness at the party. According to Esplin, Rojas was still waiting for the girl to come back and talk to him when a school counsel contacted police.

"I don't think there's anything untoward here," Esplin said.

Siufanua said the city decided to pursue charges against Rojas -- despite the dismissal of Ortega's case -- because ecclesiastical leaders are required to report abuse whether they believe it is valid or not.

"When you look at the law, it was specifically written to protect children from future abuse," he added.

Siufanua went on to say that leaders can face charges even if allegations of abuse turn out to be false. He also pointed out that the law exists to prevent situations like the sex abuse scandal currently engulfing Pennsylvania State University, Joe Paterno and accused child rapist Jerry Sandusky.

"If somebody would just have reported it, he would have been fired," Siufanua said.

Esplin denounced any similarity between Rojas's case and the one at Penn State. He said Rojas had acted properly and was legally required to report incidents if he had "reason to believe" they happened. Rojas was trying to determine just that, Esplin said.

"The other thing is the statute doesn't say how long a person has to report it," he added.

Esplin went on to suggest that prosecutors may be pursuing the case to send a message to LDS bishops, even though Rojas acted conscientiously.

In an email, LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter said the church does not tolerate abuse.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind and is extremely proactive in its efforts to prevent abuse and to help victims when it does occur," Trotter wrote. "Congregational leaders are instructed to obey the law and have access to a 24-hour help line to assist them. We contacted local authorities as soon as we learned of the situation and will continue to work with them until it is resolved."


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bishop; inman; lds; mormon; sexualabuse
From the article: PROVO -- Provo city will pursue misdemeanor charges against an LDS bishop who allegedly failed to notify authorities after an underage congregant told him she had been sexually abused. Amado Rojas will face one count of failure to report child abuse, according to Provo Police Sgt. Mathew Siufanua.

Curious timing.

The already open question on the table as of late September was: Why didn't the Lds bishop report a sexual abuse/groping act that was reported to him?
See Police questioning girl's bishop after alleged church groping [Did Lds bishop report groping?]

About six weeks go by. Nothing. Then the Penn State case breaks wide open.

Suddenly the most Mormon city in Utah (Provo) gets a conscience and elects to charge this Lds bishop, after all.

Hmmm...

1 posted on 11/15/2011 6:34:46 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
The Lds church has already lost two other bishops who were deported earlier this year:

* Illegal alien liberal policy nuances... note these headlines & stories: 2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador
* and Considering The Disconnect Between Some LDS Church Members and Leadership on Immigration

2 posted on 11/15/2011 6:42:03 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: All
Question: Have Lds bishops covered up other sex abuse cases as a pattern?

This seems to be an ongoing matter in the Mormon church:
* April, 2011: Mormon Church Denies Prior Knowledge of Susan Brock Affair With Teen Boy, Which is a Lie
* March, 2011: Sacramento News & Review
* February, 2011: Father of The 5 Browns pleads guilty to sexually abusing his daughters
* December, 2010: Did fellow Mormons cover up officer's baby molestations?

Then there's the slew of multiple Oregon Boy Scout abusers, many of whom were Mormon:
* Boy Scouts sex files now evidence in Oregon lawsuit
* Scout officials, Mormon leaders were warned of abuser, suit says
* Men sue Mormon Church, Boy Scouts in abuse case

* And the most recent article: Child sex abuse claims mount against Boy Scouts

Why doesn't the Mormon church draw the same MSM inspection level as, say, the Roman Catholic church and Penn State?

3 posted on 11/15/2011 6:44:59 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian

Meanwhile, over at Penn State...


4 posted on 11/15/2011 6:47:31 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: bigheadfred
:) :(

You prompted a smile; and yet ultimately not funny from a victim's perspective

5 posted on 11/15/2011 6:49:23 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian

No, it isn’t. Personally, and it is just me, but anyone who intentionally harms a child for their own personal gain deserves death. And I personally would not have any problem bashing such said persons head with a base ball bat. What probably gets me in trouble with that is I would start somewhere in the shin bone area and work my way up.


6 posted on 11/15/2011 6:56:06 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: bigheadfred
And I personally would not have any problem bashing such said persons head with a base ball bat. What probably gets me in trouble with that is I would start somewhere in the shin bone area and work my way up.

Oh, well. All ballplayers go thru a slump sometime...poor mechanics, ya know.

Just be sure to have your batting coach video tape it to review with you later...Oh, and wear red. Not spatter-free...but less spatter-see /sarc

7 posted on 11/15/2011 7:06:49 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind

Well the current incarnation of the Salt Lake City sect anyway....

Didn't Jos. Smith have a thing for young girls?

And then there's the whole fLDS issue.

8 posted on 11/15/2011 7:10:44 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Colofornian

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind and is extremely proactive in its efforts to prevent abuse and to help victims when it does occur,” Trotter wrote.
________________________________________

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

d&c 132...sexual abuse, child abuse, wife abuse...


9 posted on 11/15/2011 7:34:58 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

I don’t know. I think I’m my dad’s kid. Just went elk hunting with him. He told me he sure wanted to just get some blood on his hands. ;-)


10 posted on 11/15/2011 8:19:36 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: Colofornian

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=84060


11 posted on 11/16/2011 12:59:04 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6712/53/


12 posted on 11/16/2011 1:02:24 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/crimetracker/baptist-preacher-pleaded-guilty-to-sex-crimes-against-a-child


13 posted on 11/16/2011 1:06:21 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.wxii12.com/r/28486317/detail.html


14 posted on 11/16/2011 1:08:25 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

So are you excusing lds because some other pervert abused a child or are you saying that there are perverts in all positions in authority over children and they should all be shot revived shot again revived again and then beaten to death with a bat.


15 posted on 11/16/2011 7:51:35 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Colofornian

Unfortunately some of these lds leaders are just following the example of the lds founders and their proclivity for underage girls.


16 posted on 11/16/2011 7:52:45 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: BlueMoose; svcw; All
http://www.wxii12.com/r/28486317/detail.html

Blue Moose, ALL: While ALL child victims of abuse -- in this case a medical center employee who "took indecent liberties" with a minor -- are relevant to this thread...
...and we can all lift this victim up in prayer [the article doesn't mention age or sex of the victim]...
...if your point was to pinpoint a "Baptist" abuser here...
...you utterly failed to make that connection at least with this post.

In case you aren't aware, the OVERWHELMING majority of employees at ANY given hospital or medical center that has some denominational name attached to it...
...be it Baptist...
...Catholic...
...Lutheran...
...Presbyterian...
...Methodist...
...Adventist...
...or something else...
...are not believers "churched" within that denomination!

I would have hoped you would have known this by this latter time in your life.

In fact, it's actually worse with a lot of these denominationally named hospitals. Many of them actually do abortions there!

They started off as wonderful representations of Christ's healing care; and then drifted off to be the shell they are today.

You know, BM, it's not that Christians disagree with Mormons that widespread apostasy exists and has existed. It's just that Mormons are DEAD WRONG in saying ALL Christian denominations are guilty of being 100% AWOL.

And so it is with these hospitals.

And don't just stop there...universities such as Duke, Baylor, Southern Methodist University, Texas Christian University, and the like are not what they used to be re: representing their Christian origins. Same is true of Catholic universities like Boston College, Notre Dame, Villanova, Marquette, and many others.

17 posted on 11/16/2011 12:16:38 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: BlueMoose; svcw; Jeff Head
BM, thank you for bringing to light these victims.

Victims are NOT to be ignored; and left to fend for themselves...therapeutically...justice-wise...spiritually.

So I appreciate you raising awareness about them and the Baptist perpetrators (posts #11, 12, 13) who are being -- or have been brought -- to justice.

Now. If we could ever get a Mormon to say something similar to that when Mormon victims turn up left and right, I might drop dead from shock. (Yeah, I know, I'm sure I've just tempted a Mormon or two)

We have to all put victims first...no matter what "damage" it does to the local church and their broader church body.

* Lds-owned publications do a decent job of that.
* Lds bishops? That's another matter -- and is much more hit & miss.
*

Lds FREEPERS? They're not even in the hit & miss camp. I can't recall on ANY of the abuse threads EVER a single Mormon FREEPER who raises the issue of that particular Mormon victims. If it's a non-Mormon victim they may make some great comments...like Jeff Head has done a great job this week raising the plight of Penn State victims.

But if it involves a Mormon victim, it's like they want to hide it. Put the victim away in the basement or something. Cover it up. PR Damage control.

FREEPER grassroots Mormons are to be shame-filled over how they've refused to acknowledge REAL Mormon abuse victims.

Sorry. But they don't go away.

18 posted on 11/16/2011 12:28:21 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian

There are victims everywhere Colofornia.

It is pretty shameful of you, IMHO, to try and lump all LDS members on this forum into a category where you indicate that we “don’t care,” that we “ignore it,” that we somehow turn away from it.

That simply is not true, for me personally of for most of the members of our Church I know...and for that matter of any other that I am aware of and whom I know personally.

Like all large organizations (in this particular case numbering over 15 million) there is good and bad. We have sexual predators amongst us just like can be found in any other. There are Bishops who do not do their duty to their flock...to their members. There are members who do the same.

There was a Stake President from Montana who came to Boise Idaho a few years ago and was arrested because he was planning to meet an underage girl for sex...except “she” was an undercover policeman and the perptrator was nabbed and ended up going to prison.

I believe there were threads on FR about it at the time. I said then and will say now. I knew that individual personally. He had at one time been our Bishop. I one time talked to him directly about my own concerns about my own underage children at the time...daughters and sons...and indicated to him that if someone ever sexually abused one of my children I would kill that person...and rid society of worrying about them doing it again...even though it may be considered wrong.

He advised me at the time that I would deprive my family of my presence through years when they would need me. I indicated I understood that and it was a hard thing...but that I did not think I would be able to help myself...amnd would, with a clear conscience throw myself willingly on a jury of my peers and accept their verdict.

Later I wondered if my discussion with him may have helped ensure that he did not try with my kids what he was ultimately arrested and incarcerated for.

Victims of any crime, and particularly child victims of sexual abuse need our love and our protection. It is a moral imperatvie on all of us as individuals if we know of it or see it to help those being abused and see that justice is served on the abusers.

That imperative should know no religious, political, national, geographical or other bounds.


19 posted on 11/16/2011 12:44:52 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
There are victims everywhere Colofornia.

Agreed. And as we've seen with Penn State, sometimes there are more enablers in certain places than others.

For example this thread. Even you haven't specifically addressed the Mormon bishop enabler who's the topic of this thread...yet you somehow found plenty of opportunity to comment on the Penn State enablers.

Interesting.

(Yes you very broadly may have in some hidden way lumped him in when you said: "There are Bishops who do not do their duty to their flock..."

That hardly ranks with your sharp to-the-point statements you've made about the Penn State enablers this week. So you see what I mean? You rush in to say "that's not true" and then you prove that I'm on to something in a distinct way...in that you don't apparently wish to talk about THIS specific bishop that THIS specific thread is about. Why not?

It is pretty shameful of you, IMHO, to try and lump all LDS members on this forum into a category where you indicate that we “don’t care,” that we “ignore it,” that we somehow turn away from it. That simply is not true...

Jeff, do you know how many threads I've posted re: Lds abuse victims?

Alright, that's a rhetorical Q. (I don't even know)

But a fair number. I wish I could say that for every Lds FREEPER post mentioning an Lds victim, that there were "only" 20 posts about me -- the thread-poster. But I don't think I can...because I think your post here was the first that got Lds FREEPERS out of the zero category...and zero can't be multiplied and represented in ratios like 15 to 1 or 20 to 1.

But that's my point Jeff. Why do Lds threads about Lds perpetrators and Lds victims often become attempted hijacks about whoever posted the article?

As for the rest of your post, I appreciate you sharing the abuse story you told. You are a cut above other Mormon FREEPERS in integrity.

20 posted on 11/16/2011 1:40:12 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian

This bishop, as I said regarding other bishops and my point there was to say that they, sadly, tragically certainly exist in our faith...did not do his moral duty regarding his members and particularly the abused victim.

It is shameful and should not happen and if the story is as it is depicted here...then he should be released from his position and if it warrants it, charged for the crime.

Ultimately, as with Sandusky and the Penn State people, and as with other denominations who experience these things...such people would be subject to the District QAttorney determining there was enough evidence, a grand jury indicting him, and then a jury of his peers who would hear the evidence.

I have no respect or tolerance for people who, for whatever reason, misplaced loyalties as they see it, perverted since of right and wrong, trying to counsel with or help the criminal...does not matter...I have no tolerance for people anywhere who allow such molestation and crime to go unpunsihed and who do not do the moral imperaitve that rests on us all to protect the innocent and children.


21 posted on 11/16/2011 2:09:23 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: svcw

If I ever read an lds condemn an other lds for any wrong doing with out qualifiers I will swoon. place marker


22 posted on 11/16/2011 5:30:24 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: svcw; Jeff Head
This is a very difficult situation. "Lose lips sink ships" We ever seen that

What about when a prosecutor makes a plea bargain with a privacy provision.

When I worked I had access to.

http://cryptome.info/irs-ci/36426.html TECS

We don't talk about cases that we come across in the course of our work.

There were cases where people fired for making public information that was obtained for the system.

One was a case of a Congressman involved in drugs and made a plea bargain with a non disclosure.

Here is the case that gave me a real problem. A Stake High Councilman made a plea bargain with a non disclosure.

At Stake Conference how could I and another member that worked in that facility sustain this person.

We discussed this and wondered how we could handle this without disclosing security information and being fired.

Members don't always know what other members are doing.

They are making a movie of Robert Hansen here. He was a outstanding member of the community. His wife had no idea of his double life although items he had removed from some of the women he killed where found in his house.

23 posted on 11/16/2011 8:54:37 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Stop qualifying - just condemn pervert, who ever they are.


24 posted on 11/16/2011 10:21:22 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/exposing-the-truth/2009/feb/18/are-mind-controlled-fundamentalist-and-evangelical/


25 posted on 11/16/2011 10:25:06 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.evangelicalright.com/criminals_for_jesus/


26 posted on 11/16/2011 10:32:16 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: svcw
qualifying ? Where is the qualifying. We must do away with all evil.
27 posted on 11/16/2011 10:34:54 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

All perps needs to be condemned. I do not care where they hale from or what group they hale from.....child predators need to be dealt with.
I am sick of people saying “they need to be done away with but..........”
no they need to be dealt with in a swift manner, given a fair trial then shot.
When you do that, I’ll stop using the term qualifier.


28 posted on 11/16/2011 10:40:27 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.michaelcrook.org/2011/11/15/another-lds-bishop-victimized/


29 posted on 11/17/2011 2:14:53 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
“We have a duty to protect those who can't protect themselves, which are our children,” Siufanua said. “If you reasonably believe that there is abuse that has occurred, or even may occur, … please give us a call.”

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700198276/Provo-Mormon-bishop-may-face-criminal-charge-for-not-reporting-sex-abuse-police-say.html?pg=2

I think someone may abuse me and require a full investigation.

30 posted on 11/17/2011 2:29:17 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Stop qualifying -

When I read that I wonder what the heck does that mean...

Evil is evil it needs no qualifying!


31 posted on 11/26/2011 12:28:41 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: BlueMoose

Stop qualifying -

When I read that I wonder what the heck does that mean...

Evil is evil it needs no qualifying!

******

since you guys are sharing....

Welcome to a collection of news reports on ministers who have sexually abused children:

ALL Protestant denominations - 838 Ministers

147 Baptist Ministers

251 “Bible” Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 various Church Ministers

http://www.reformation.com/


32 posted on 11/26/2011 12:57:11 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: BlueMoose; Saundra Duffy

The Protestant Clergy Sex Abuse Pattern
http://new.exchristian.net/2010/09/protestant-clergy-sex-abuse-pattern.html

List of scandals involving evangelical Christians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians


33 posted on 11/26/2011 1:01:25 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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