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Auxiliary Bishop Says Communion In the Hand is a Calvinist Novelty [Ecumenical]
The Eponymous Flower ^ | 08/12/2011 | n/a

Posted on 11/21/2011 11:50:12 AM PST by Pyro7480

Auxiliary Bishop Says Communion In the Hand is a Calvinist Novelty

Not Even Martin Luther Would Have Done It

In the last century the Old Liberal Bishops promoted hand Communion. They used a historical lie toward this end.

(kreuz.net)Present day Communion in the Hand has no roots in the early Church.

This was stressed by Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider (50) of Astana in Kazakhstan on the 19th on the radio station 'Radio Maria Südtirol'

Msgr Schneider is a Patristic expert.

Hand Communion was contrived "all new" from the Second Vatican Council -- the Auxiliary Bishop firmly said.

The antique Church had practiced a completely different form for the reception of Communion.

In that period the hand in which Communion was received was purified before and after.

Additionally, the faithful would take the Body of the Lord from their hand in a disposition of prayer with his tongue:

"If anything it was more of an oral reception of Communion than in the hand".

After Communion, the communicant had to lick their hands with their tongues, so that even the smallest particle should not be lost.

A Deacon supervised the purification.

The Auxiliary Bishop cotinued: "This concern and care stands in direct opposition to indifference and carelessness with which so called Communion in the hand is dispensed."

Women never held Communion simply on the flat of the hand.

They spread a white cloth, a manner of corporal over their hand.

Then, they would receive Communion directly to their mouth from the linen cloth.

"That is a tremendous contrast to the present form of Communion in the hand" -- insisted Msgr Schneider.

The ancient faithful never took Communion with their fingers: "the gesture of hand Communion was completely unknown in the Church."

The Antique Form of Giving Communion Was Impractical in the Final Analysis

In the course of the centuries the Church developed a form of giving Communion which "surely came from the Holy Ghost".

Msgr Schneider explained that the Eastern Church had already completed this step by the 5th Century, the West somewhat later.

The transition took place worldwide, organically, instinctively and peacefully.

The Auxiliary Bishop reports that Pope Gregory the Great († 604), gave Communion in on the tongue.

French and Spanish Synods of the 8th and 9th Centuries sanctioned against touching the Host with excommunication:

"If a Synod can make such a strict threat, this form will be forbidden in a short time."

Communion in the Hand Comes from the Calvinists

According to the Auxiliary Bishop, communion in the hand comes from the Dutch Calvinists of the 17th Century.

Calvinism denies the real presence of Christ in the Host.

One such communion in the hand wasn't even practiced by the Lutherans:

"The Lutherans have until quite recently, and till today in Scandinavian lands, preserved communion kneeling and on the tongue."

Link to original, kreuznet...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; communion; eucharist; schneider
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God bless Bishop Schneider!


1 posted on 11/21/2011 11:50:19 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/21/2011 11:53:15 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Gosh. I’d better not say anything about how Methodists take Communion or I might get burned at the stake...


3 posted on 11/21/2011 11:53:50 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Pyro7480

AMEN to that!


4 posted on 11/21/2011 11:54:09 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: Pyro7480

What did Jesus do during the last supper? I doubt he placed the bread in their mouth.

So much is focused on tradition instead of scripture.


5 posted on 11/21/2011 11:54:33 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Pyro7480

I believe the Assyrian Church of the East practices communion in hand. I saw it in a YouTube video.


6 posted on 11/21/2011 11:57:55 AM PST by rzman21
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To: TSgt

You might have picked up in your reading of Scripture that the Twelve weren’t your usual followers of Jesus.


7 posted on 11/21/2011 11:58:10 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: TSgt

>>I doubt he placed the bread in their mouth.<<

Well, seeing as neither of us were there.....


8 posted on 11/21/2011 12:01:15 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Pyro7480

It is not fiar to say that Calvinism denies the presence of Christ in the Sacrament. What is true is that begining with the Calvinists the belief in transubstaniation was altered. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying “Do this in remembrance of me”, which protestant do - feeling the full presence of Christ in the act.


9 posted on 11/21/2011 12:01:47 PM PST by HonorInPa
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To: Pyro7480

It is not fiar to say that Calvinism denies the presence of Christ in the Sacrament. What is true is that begining with the Calvinists the belief in transubstaniation was altered. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying “Do this in remembrance of me”, which protestant do - feeling the full presence of Christ in the act.


10 posted on 11/21/2011 12:02:19 PM PST by HonorInPa
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To: Pyro7480

True but please show me in scripture where it matters how the host is given?

I believe the important part is that it is done, not the actual ritual.


11 posted on 11/21/2011 12:02:21 PM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: TSgt

Maybe he did place it in the mouth. Scripture doesn’t say, unfortunately.


12 posted on 11/21/2011 12:03:22 PM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: netmilsmom

True so why be so focused on it if the Lord didn’t mention a specific procedure?


13 posted on 11/21/2011 12:03:51 PM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Pyro7480

Scriptural support for “only the special people can touch the communion elements? Anyone?


14 posted on 11/21/2011 12:04:44 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: WayneS

>>I might get burned at the stake...<<

Because, of course, modern Catholics do that all the time.

Have you noticed that it’s actually 2011?


15 posted on 11/21/2011 12:05:06 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Pyro7480

Jesus did it.


16 posted on 11/21/2011 12:05:21 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: WayneS

We dip and flip at our UMC - what do y’all do?


17 posted on 11/21/2011 12:05:27 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: TSgt

Hooah, Sarge.

Colonel, USAFR


18 posted on 11/21/2011 12:06:25 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: TSgt

>>True so why be so focused on it if the Lord didn’t mention a specific procedure?<<

Why not? That’s kind of what a forum is about. We discuss things.


19 posted on 11/21/2011 12:06:47 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: jagusafr

Same.


20 posted on 11/21/2011 12:07:23 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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