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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


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1 posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:10 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

God will not be mocked.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 11:12:24 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: marshmallow

Why won’t Niedrauer suppress that parish?


3 posted on 11/23/2011 11:13:12 AM PST by rzman21
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To: marshmallow

I’m sure Piglosi will be pleased to note that not all ‘religious’ figures have a ‘conscience problem’.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 11:14:57 AM PST by Track9
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To: marshmallow
OK, anybody that knows my position on what's happening in the Catholic church,.......TOLD YOU SO! Everybody pooh poohed the majority voting for Obama, allowing his speech at Notre dame, taking democrat positions on illegals, and on an on and on. You all said, calm down, the majority is still conservative. Pelosi, Bidden, Kerry, and the whole Kennedy clan is just an aberration. I said looking at the Church's positions now, we are the minority and the loons are in charge. You came back quoting some obscure bishops magazine article or some other utterance by some lonely conservative and told me to relax.

I can already write what your next response will be. "Well, this is San Francisco, what do you expect?"

I expect heads to roll and some excommunications. I recommend reading Corinthians to see what Paul said to a liberal church. If it steps on some big toes, so be it.

I have held my tongue for months now with story after story of decay in the Church. This just was a straw too heavy for my back. I guess mass will be done by the local Imam next. The Church had better wake up and stop these fools! Take up for them and protect them at your own peril. There is either authority in the church or not. As for me, I don't go along to get along. Call me a Catholic basher if you want to, but it's right there in your face and most are in denial.

5 posted on 11/23/2011 11:36:17 AM PST by chuckles
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To: rzman21

Did they meant they Sodomized their union in 2004 instead of Solemizing their union?


6 posted on 11/23/2011 11:40:11 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: stars & stripes forever
Matthew 7:

13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Apparently these folks have not read these passages. They fit the WIDE road easily. They are not going to make it in the narrow way. Simple as that unless they repent their sin and as for Jesus Christ's forgiveness.

7 posted on 11/23/2011 11:42:10 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: chuckles

WHAT!? This cannot be allowed to happen. How can we stop this? I am going to send this story to TFP, I hope they can get a petition going.


8 posted on 11/23/2011 11:42:39 AM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily)
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To: chuckles

Stop hyperventilating. The Magisterium is the Magisterium regardless of whether discipline is light or heavy, and the Magisterium has not wavered on the moral teachings of the Church. The provisions on homosexuality in the Catechism of the Catholic Church are clear as crystal.


9 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:42 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: All

Here is the Church’s information.

Their email address is: mhr-admin@mhr.org
Phone Number: (415) 863-6259
http://www.mhr.org/contact.htm


10 posted on 11/23/2011 11:50:49 AM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily)
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To: chuckles

Often, I take signs like these to be The End Days. I think I may start activly praying for them.


11 posted on 11/23/2011 11:54:22 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Alex Murphy; metmom

One of those Episcopalians we hear so much about? You know, the ones crossing the Tiber by the boatload?

Welcome Home! < /sarc>


12 posted on 11/23/2011 12:10:47 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“Often, I take signs like these to be The End Days.”

I do as well.

Troubling as it is at least we know that we’ll be crowned with final Victory, and ‘they’ will finally lose.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 12:12:49 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; if they don't say "Merry Christmas", don't buy.)
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To: marshmallow
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service

No fag like an old fag in a pointy hat. Someday maybe the Episkies will give Christianity a try. They probably won't like it though.

14 posted on 11/23/2011 12:16:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy; metmom

Wait, what? I thought all Catholics were unified under one set of rules.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 12:29:55 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

“Wait, what? I thought all Catholics were unified under one set of rules.”
If everything was as it should be, this would be the case.


16 posted on 11/23/2011 12:35:05 PM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily)
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To: CynicalBear; Cronos; Alex Murphy; Gamecock

Cronos, you in here? (CRICKETS)


17 posted on 11/23/2011 12:51:46 PM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: chuckles

We have two Catholic U.S. Senators and one Catholic State Senators. All huge libs, all huge abortion promoters. Why don’t their parishes boot them out of the congregation???


18 posted on 11/23/2011 1:13:22 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: marshmallow
Corrected title: GAY SUBERVSIVE ANTI-CHRISTIAN MAN TO PREACH
19 posted on 11/23/2011 1:22:57 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Unam Sanctam; chuckles; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
The Magisterium is the Magisterium regardless of whether discipline is light or heavy, and the Magisterium has not wavered on the moral teachings of the Church. The provisions on homosexuality in the Catechism of the Catholic Church are clear as crystal.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

The Catholic church CLAIMS if WROTE the Bible, hence Corinthians, Paul being a *church father* and all, and claims that it is the only legitimate avenue for interpreting it.

But what's happened is that they've COMPLETELY abdicated their responsibility in dealing with moral issues within the church.

Their credibility has tanked. There is NO excuse for this kind of nonsense.

1 Corinthians 5 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

20 posted on 11/23/2011 1:31:26 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: chuckles; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

What is most appalling is the excuses and justification we here from Catholics and the almost complete absence of condemnation of this sort of thing or the RCC leadership in not addressing it from all the FRoman Catholics on this board.


21 posted on 11/23/2011 1:34:33 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: thesaleboat; CynicalBear
If everything was as it should be, this would be the case.

And why isn't it? Where's the pope on this and the cardinals?

Just what is stopping them from making everything as it should be?

22 posted on 11/23/2011 1:37:03 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Reminds one of another scandal, doesn’t it?

But let a Prod bring up sin inside the Roman Catholic Church and you are a bigot, guilty of hate speech, etc.....


23 posted on 11/23/2011 2:16:26 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: metmom; Gamecock

no excuses from this Catholic.

what we are witnessing is the great falling away from the Church that the Scriptures tell us will happen right before Jesus returns.

Satan has been loosed and the plague of homosexuality and other immorality spreading like wild fire in the Church is the result.

the true remnant is in real tribulation over these developments.
the two witnesses ( a picture of the Church spreading the Gospel to the world ) are indeed dead and the unsaved world is rejoicing!!

what should worry those on this board that claim to be Christian is they seem to be rejoicing as well!!

this fact goes right over their heads.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 2:38:40 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom; Gamecock; CynicalBear

where are the pope and cardinals???

great question!!!

the truth is they lost their first love ( if they ever had it ) and would rather serve the god of this world than Jesus Christ.

the end is near my friends.


25 posted on 11/23/2011 2:44:26 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Aren't you Catholic? If so, then why stay there, knowing what you know?

COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM.

26 posted on 11/23/2011 2:49:44 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; metmom; Gamecock
>>the truth is they lost their first love ( if they ever had it ) and would rather serve the god of this world than Jesus Christ.<<

The Catholic Church crossed that line firmly and completely in 431AD in Ephesus when they embraced the pagan practice of worshiping the Diana “queen of heaven” in order to get more attendance in the “pews”.

27 posted on 11/23/2011 2:57:42 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stars & stripes forever
"God will not be mocked."

Seems as though He has been.

28 posted on 11/23/2011 3:01:23 PM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: smvoice

i am Catholic, not a Donatist. ( google it )

The fact a pope, cardinal or bishop commits sin by not protecting the sheep they are in charge of, is their sin.

the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith is true whether one person believes it or millions believe it.

Jesus Christ has the words of everlasting life, where would i go?

to me, this is powerful evidence the Word of God is absolutely true and the end of the world is near.

Satan is sitting in the temple.


29 posted on 11/23/2011 3:04:41 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; Gamecock

i believe the RM would like me to refer to this post as an “untruth”

LOL!


30 posted on 11/23/2011 3:06:29 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Jesus Christ has the words of everlasting life, where would i go?"

How about to the gospel of your salvation? How about to where Jesus Christ's words ARE? In the Bible. Not in a religious institution. Eph. 2:8,9 is a good start. 1 Cor. 15:1-4 another. Also 2 Cor. 5:14-21.

BTW: "Satan is sitting in the temple."

"Know ye not that YE ARE the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in YOU?" 1 Cor. 3:16. Satan is NOT sitting in the temple of God. The believers in this age of grace are the temple of God. And we are IN CHRIST.

31 posted on 11/23/2011 3:18:19 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Jesus Christ has the words of everlasting life, where would i go?"

How about to the gospel of your salvation? How about to where Jesus Christ's words ARE? In the Bible. Not in a religious institution. Eph. 2:8,9 is a good start. 1 Cor. 15:1-4 another. Also 2 Cor. 5:14-21.

BTW: "Satan is sitting in the temple."

"Know ye not that YE ARE the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in YOU?" 1 Cor. 3:16. Satan is NOT sitting in the temple of God. The believers in this age of grace are the temple of God. And we are IN CHRIST.

32 posted on 11/23/2011 3:19:44 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: marshmallow
My hair stylist will be there!


33 posted on 11/23/2011 3:23:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: smvoice

read Matthew 24.

BTW - the Church is not a “religous institution”, Christians know it is the Body of Christ on earth.


34 posted on 11/23/2011 3:25:22 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; metmom; CynicalBear
The Catholic Church IS a religious institution.

The body of Christ is made up of saved believers. THere is no one in the RCC who claims they are saved, or can even KNOW if they are saved while they are on this earth. So no, the Catholic Church is NOT the Body of Christ on earth.

35 posted on 11/23/2011 3:28:34 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

of course you don’t know this, i said CHRISTIANS know it as the Body of Christ on earth.

thanks for sharing your thoughts though.


36 posted on 11/23/2011 3:33:16 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

Even if they've made a decision for Christ? Even if they believe?

Matthew 25 is very clear that Jesus will judge our works.

Do you believe in the gospel?

37 posted on 11/23/2011 3:33:54 PM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Jim Noble
>>Matthew 25 is very clear that Jesus will judge our works.<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

38 posted on 11/23/2011 3:43:24 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I would be very careful being so *smug* regarding your *Christianism*. You have yet to figure out the irony of your screen name...


39 posted on 11/23/2011 3:47:10 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
How about to the gospel of your salvation? How about to where Jesus Christ's words ARE? In the Bible. Not in a religious institution.

So how did folks manage before there was a New Testament? Such as during the early weeks, months and years following the Ascension of Jesus? Read Acts 15, for instance. A dispute arose in Antioch over the question of circumcision. Paul and Barnabas returned to Jerusalem to consult "the Apostles and Ancients". It was the Church, not a book, which gave a ruling.

The early Christian communities, such as those at Antioch, couldn't say "let's see what the New Testament says". There wasn't one.

First came the Church. Then came the New Testament. Not the other way around. The New Testament didn't drop out of the sky when Jesus ascended. The documents which are now contained within it, first had to be written, then collected and assembled, then distributed. In the interim, life went on. For quite some time. The Gospel was preached, disputes were settled, evangelists were commissioned. All without out a single New Testament.

40 posted on 11/23/2011 3:55:51 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow
Gee, I don't know. How about the fact that the GOSPEL was PREACHED from the very beginning. Acts 17:6 tells us that Paul turned the world upside down with the gospel. Christ and His disciples preached the gospel before ANY church was established. Before Christ even said anything about establishing His church, Christ sent His disciples forth, "and they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel." (Luke 9:6). This was early in Christ's earthly ministry. The preaching of the gospel is talked about 11 times in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Yet there was no Roman Catholic Church in EXISTENCE to verify that what CHRIST AND THE DISCIPLES WERE PREACHING< THAT IS< THE GOSPEL, was in need of their official stamp of approval.

The day of Pentecost finds 3000 people saved without Peter saying ONE WORD about an infallible Church putting its approval on what he preached. As a matter of fact, there is no place recorded that said that Christians, who "went everywhere preaching the Word" (Acts 8:4), needed or expected an infallible Church that existed to endorse the gospel, and verify that the gospel was true.

41 posted on 11/23/2011 4:14:05 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
what we are witnessing is the great falling away from the Church that the Scriptures tell us will happen right before Jesus returns.

Satan has been loosed and the plague of homosexuality and other immorality spreading like wild fire in the Church is the result.

It's always been there...When your magisterium (whatever that is) proclaimed that all clergy had to be unmarried and uncommitted to women, the stage was set...

Your religion grooms this clergy class from childhood...And what you guys do not seem to realize is that celibacy is not a chosen lifestyle although that's what you guys proclaim...

We men are made to be united with women...Celibacy is very rare and it is a gift from God...You can't just chose to be celibate...

42 posted on 11/23/2011 4:28:38 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: smvoice
"Know ye not that YE ARE the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in YOU?" 1 Cor. 3:16. Satan is NOT sitting in the temple of God. The believers in this age of grace are the temple of God. And we are IN CHRIST.

In their philosophical wisdom, this does not compute...Before I was saved, it did not compute for me either...I know where they are at...

43 posted on 11/23/2011 4:35:02 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Jim Noble
Even if they've made a decision for Christ? Even if they believe?

Paul still refers to them as *brothers*.

People fall into sin.

That's what 1 John 1:9 is all about.

David was guilty of adultery and murder and God called him a *man after my own heart*.

Lot was referred to as *righteous* Lot, a term that I'd hardly have thought applied to him considering what he did.

Will believers who sin have to answer for it? Most certainly. Paul attributed the untimely death of some believers on sin in their lives.

Will it cost them their salvation? No. Then it would make salvation based on works.

There's a world of difference between sinning and choosing to reject salvation after one is saved. The first one, everybody does. The second one is up for debate, whether someone who is truly saved can later choose to reject it.

OTOH, there's plenty of speculation as to whether someone who accepts Christ and shows no change whatsoever in their lives was ever really saved in the first place.

Genuine salvation WILL result in a changed heart and life.

44 posted on 11/23/2011 4:39:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
BTW - the Church is not a “religous institution”, Christians know it is the Body of Christ on earth.

You are awful loose with that word Christian...And then to imply that it is your religion that is Christian is a mockery of the scriptures...

The scriptures define what the church , the body of Christ is...And sorry, it ain't your (C)hurch...

45 posted on 11/23/2011 4:40:35 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool; smvoice; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...
smvoice:"Know ye not that YE ARE the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in YOU?" 1 Cor. 3:16. Satan is NOT sitting in the temple of God. The believers in this age of grace are the temple of God. And we are IN CHRIST.

Iscool In their philosophical wisdom, this does not compute...Before I was saved, it did not compute for me either...I know where they are at...

We've all been there. That's what they don't get. We know where they're coming from because we were there and used to think that way as well.

46 posted on 11/23/2011 4:44:07 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: marshmallow; crusadersoldier; Ellzeena; Anvilhead; stonehouse01; Goreknowshowtocheat; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


47 posted on 11/23/2011 4:47:37 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: marshmallow

Is Bishop Niedrauer back yet from his emergency heart surgery? Not that I really expect him to do anything, but I wonder if he is still running things or if he’ll be replaced soon.


48 posted on 11/23/2011 4:49:49 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: marshmallow
It was the Church, not a book, which gave a ruling.

And then it ended up in the 'book'... You're even close...The Apostles were not and are not the 'church'...And there was no (C)hurch...And still isn't...Your Catholic clergy and institution are not the church of the bible, nor the Apostles...

49 posted on 11/23/2011 4:54:43 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
You're even close = You're NOT even close...whoops...
50 posted on 11/23/2011 4:58:45 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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