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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


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To: rzman21

The Oriental Orthodox broke with Rome in 451 about 125 years after Constantine.

And the Assyrian Church of the East broke with Rome in 431.

Yet they believe in everything that Evangelicals hate the Roman Catholic Church for save Roman supremacy and the scholastic interpretation of purgatory.

(I might note that the scholastic interpretation of purgatory isn’t a dogma of the Catholic Church because Eastern Catholics are not required to teach it.)


761 posted on 11/27/2011 10:08:26 PM PST by rzman21
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To: metmom

Do what, read the Book of Acts with your sectarian bias as the start?

There’s ample extra-scriptural evidence for the Catholic-Orthodox perspective.

I’m not telling anyone to disprove a negative. The Book of Acts only tells part of the story.


762 posted on 11/27/2011 10:13:24 PM PST by rzman21
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To: metmom

I have plenty of evidence, but the disproof of a negative comes in because you will reject any evidence I put forth.

Sola Scriptura rests on Occam’s Razor, not the Bible.


763 posted on 11/27/2011 10:15:12 PM PST by rzman21
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To: MarkBsnr
The Pope has less money and possessions than you do. Think on that.

You need to think on it. Reality is you have no idea what the pope has only what you are told and then add you have no idea what I have - equals a statement that truly lacks substance.

I could be in a class where there are hundreds of millions have less than me - that wouldn't make the pope unique.

However, the Vatican/RCC are into a 'poor attitude' with their 'vows of poverty'. Like being poor is a virtue. Yet, the pope lives in opulence with all it's pomp. 'Do as I say and not as I do'.

The pope is a KEPT man.

764 posted on 11/27/2011 10:35:54 PM PST by presently no screen name ( If it’s not in God’s Word - don’t pass it off as truth! That’s satan’s job.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Excellent post.

no clue about Church History.

Pretty much sums it up. Otherwise...

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
John Henry Cardinal Newman

765 posted on 11/27/2011 10:36:27 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: rzman21
Okay. What do these “extra-biblical” sources say about when a priesthood began in the Christian church? About when vestments for these priests became necessary? What “evidence” is there for a requirement that certain special hand movements be made during the mass?

Or for monasteries and cults like the Legion of Christ (part of the sexual abuse scandal ongoing)?

766 posted on 11/28/2011 12:17:01 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CynicalBear
Nah, if a person doesn’t even grasp the track of the conversation it’s just not worth the time.

We don't care if you lose track of the conversation. We are instructed by God to try to bring you to Christ. We don't consider it a waste of time.

767 posted on 11/28/2011 4:43:08 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7
Were the people that John baptized re baptized?

Deflecting again? Why are you being so coy about baptism? Is there a Mormon skeleton in your closet?

768 posted on 11/28/2011 4:45:30 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7
I don't doubt the ability of God to preserve Truth. He Has - in the institution of the Church. It is the institutions of men - the legacy of the Reformation - that take away from the transmission of God's word to men.

how nice of ya :)

It's not about me. It's about Christ.

So how do you pick and choose what is preserved truth and what is fable in the Bible mark?? How do you know the church is an institution of God??

I don't pick and choose - that is a legacy of the Reformation. I simply believe in the institution that Christ left for us and that He said would never fail. In spite of the Reformation and the efforts of satan.

Capitalizing the G is good.. but believing His word ...is what is God expects of us...

Giving up the daily bowls of YOPIOS might go a long way to meeting those expectation.

769 posted on 11/28/2011 4:49:17 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: rzman21
Fundamentalists have more confidence in their own personal infallibility than they do in serving God or others.

After dealing with them lo these many years, I have come to the conclusion that it is not about God for them. It is entirely, wholly and completely about them. Look at their words. God is a magic talisman, to be invoked in public. But everything is about them. My salvation, me my mine.

770 posted on 11/28/2011 4:52:39 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: rzman21
Perhaps the Evangelicals who bash Constantine are closet Arians. :)

I think that it is a lot worse than that and they are not in the closet. The Presbyterians are the latest...

771 posted on 11/28/2011 4:54:24 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: presently no screen name
The Pope has less money and possessions than you do. Think on that.

You need to think on it. Reality is you have no idea what the pope has only what you are told and then add you have no idea what I have - equals a statement that truly lacks substance.

JPII left an estate that was comprised of nothing that needed to be disposed of. If you possess a car or a house, you have more than he did.

I could be in a class where there are hundreds of millions have less than me - that wouldn't make the pope unique.

It also does not change the fact that the Pope does not have wealth and the heroes and aftermath of the Reformation did and do.

However, the Vatican/RCC are into a 'poor attitude' with their 'vows of poverty'. Like being poor is a virtue. Yet, the pope lives in opulence with all it's pomp. 'Do as I say and not as I do'.

I'm assuming ignorance of the Pope's lifestyle here. You may wish to actually research facts before you post.

The pope is a KEPT man.

Did you come up with all by yourself?

772 posted on 11/28/2011 5:01:08 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: count-your-change

What’s your beef with vestments? Luther liked them.


773 posted on 11/28/2011 5:22:54 AM PST by rzman21
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To: MarkBsnr

There are few differences between Evangelicals and secularists when it comes to their worldview. Evangelicals just have Christian sprinkles on theirs.

Engaging these Fundamentalists here on FR has shown me they have the same sort of “you can’t tell me what to do” attitude as the secularists.

Liberalism and Evangelicalism are first cousins.


774 posted on 11/28/2011 5:25:24 AM PST by rzman21
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To: MarkBsnr
JPII left an estate that was comprised of nothing that needed to be disposed of

His body did and the only thing that matters is the soul and he gave that to Mary.

It also does not change the fact that the Pope does not have wealth ...

The unbiblical 'vow of poverty' took care of that - however, he lived a very wealthy lifestyle as a welfare recipient - his sheep support his opulent lifestyle.

I'm assuming ignorance of the Pope's lifestyle here. You may wish to actually research facts before you post.

It's ignorance is on your part. You portray him as going through garbage and begging on the corner and living in section 8 housing. Reality is - his subjects kiss his ring while someone shines the Mercedes and the seamstress makes his glittery garments and the chef prepares his meals while others are cleaning the marble. Say one thing - do another. Give to your church, there are lifestyles that need to be supported. It's called giving to the poor in Catholicese.

Popes are the continuation of Roman Emperors. No association with Jesus - who said 'Come, follow Me'. They chose a worldly secular path - the wide road. Sola Popa indeed.
775 posted on 11/28/2011 5:55:20 AM PST by presently no screen name ( If it’s not in God’s Word - don’t pass it off as truth! That’s satan’s job.)
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To: rzman21; count-your-change
What’s your beef with vestments? Luther liked them.

So what????

Why do you think it's relevant what some persons personal opinion is about clothing?

Catholics keep pointing out what they call leaders of Protestantism said and did as if affects what we think of do.

We do NOT follow men. They had their issues, just like the rest of us and when what they say or do doesn't line up with Scripture, it gets recognized as wrong and tossed.

Anyone who puts a church leader of any kind on a pedestal is asking for trouble.

776 posted on 11/28/2011 6:11:14 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: presently no screen name
Matthew 8:20 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head."

Luke 9:58 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head."

777 posted on 11/28/2011 6:15:17 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Exactly.

“But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matt 6:19,20

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/08/60minutes/main20052140.shtml

But the Vatican agreed to let “60 Minutes” and correspondent Morley Safer in to see some of the priceless artifacts of our collective past.

In Rome, turn a corner and you bump into antiquity - we arrived at the Vatican to find a medieval costume parade in progress. What better way to begin a trek through history.

“There’s about two million printed books,” library curator Timothy Janz told Safer.

And inside the library, the past surrounded us again, as we were shown the magnificent building and its riches.

For instance: the spectacular Bible commissioned in 1476 by the Duke of Urbino. Janz tells us the Bible took years to make by hand: letter by letter, picture by picture.

“Decorated with real gold,” he pointed out, while showing Safer the magnificently ornate pages.

It’s just one of the library’s 80,000 handwritten manuscripts from the ages before the printing press. Add to that two million or so printed books, Christian and pagan, sacred and profane, in virtually every language known to man. There are thousands of prints and drawings

And there’s a huge collection of ancient coins, including the money used in Palestine 2,000 years ago. There are the kind of silver coins Judas was said to have been paid to betray Christ.

There is a map of the world, drawn 50 years before Columbus: at its edge, the Towers of Paradise are depicted. And the library holds an immediate best seller - Columbus’ description of his voyage to the new world, published in 1493.

“In a certain way, the library is kind of the attic of Western civilization,” Safer noted.

“It’s so true. And it’s like many attics, you know? You put things up all the time. You keep on pushing over boxes to make space for more things,” Father Michael Collins, an Irish priest who has written extensively about the Vatican, told Safer.

If you would put the library’s shelves end to end, they would stretch for 31 miles.

“Is there anyone, any single person who really knows what the library holds?” Safer asked.

“Nobody knows exactly what’s there. Because it will be impossible for the human brain, I think, to understand, to remember the titles, who wrote it, when they were written,” Father Collins said.


778 posted on 11/28/2011 6:40:18 AM PST by presently no screen name ( If it’s not in God’s Word - don’t pass it off as truth! That’s satan’s job.)
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To: rzman21
Luther may have and that would seem to show old habits (no pun) are hard to break.
Did not Jesus condemn those who set themselves apart from their brothers by elaborate dress, titles?
Imagine Paul telling Timothy,

“Now see here old man, You're to get rid of these Jewish ephods and outer garments and go with......go with something that shows your rank, say something with scarlet satin or silk, maybe a few crosses and rosaries....oh yes! When you go for the full monte of dress up get this big pointy hat, kinda reminds of a fish's mouth doesn't it, eh? And here's a whole list of stuff for the prebyters to wear when officiating.”

Right. My “beef” is that such are counter to Biblical principal and yours should be that it is a novelty that violates apostolic tradition.

779 posted on 11/28/2011 6:44:15 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: presently no screen name

We have two bookshelves and a couple boxes.


780 posted on 11/28/2011 6:44:55 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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