Skip to comments.Russians Flock to See Virgin Mary Relic
Posted on 11/25/2011 6:55:10 AM PST by marshmallow
Tens of thousands wait for hours in freezing temperatures to kiss belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother
MOSCOW Braving freezing cold temperatures and ice-covered sidewalks, tens of thousands of Russians stood in line Wednesday to see and kiss a newly arrived relic of the Virgin Mary in Russia's largest Orthodox cathedral.
The Virgin Mary's Cincture, a belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother, was brought to Russia last month from Mount Athos, a monastic community in Greece.
Kissing the relic, which is encased in an ornamental box, is believed to help barren women conceive and heal other ailments.
The line of people, mostly women, waiting to enter the golden-domed Christ the Savior Cathedral stretched for 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) along the Moscow River despite temperatures that dropped to below minus 5 Celsius (23 Fahrenheit).
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“Thats not difficult to answer at all. One of them isnt listening. Just like the Catholics dont listen.”
Well, let us listen to the prophet CynicalBear then.
Questions, oh holy and all knowing CynicalBear:
What Councils of the Church should we pay attention to?
What Creeds enunciated by the ancient Church should we pay attention to?
What particular translation of the Bible must we study?
What denominations are the closest to what you are certain is the True Church?
What makes you certain you are right?
Salvation is granted either by faith OR works. Deserved OR undeserved. Merited OR unmerited. NOT both, NOT and, one or the other. God became man so that man can be redeemed. We cannot pay the penalty for even one sin of our own because the price, the wages, of sin is death - and it's not a physical death but eternal separation from God. But he loved us so much that he made a way for us. Jesus Christ took upon himself the sins of the world - past, present and future - and paid the penalty in our place. When we receive him as our Savior, believe in him, we are made righteous, justified, sanctified and purified. When God looks at us he sees the righteousness of Christ because we are found in him, not having a righteousness of our own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christthe righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. Phillipians 3:9
So, I would have to say that whatever denomination or cult or sect teaches that we can lose our salvation if we sin, is the false one and is teaching an accursed gospel.
Why make this thread about another poster? Either stick to the subject or refrain from sarcastic name calling - it doesn’t help your cause.
Do you have a hall monitor badge?
Why do you object to me asking another poster who claims to be CERTAIN of the TRUTH questions?
So, I would have to say that whatever denomination or cult or sect teaches that we can lose our salvation if we sin...So you can freely sin in your denomination? Once saved, always saved?
“So I’m CERTAIN they would have included it in their creeds.”
You are? Really? So what is the last Council you consider dogmatic? If any?
What good is a creed if a fundamental belief, crucial to one's salvation, is MISSING? NOT MENTIONED? SILENT ON THE SUBJECT? Hmmmmmm....creeds are crucial to "Christianity" WHY, again?
That is not worshiping Christ
By kissing a belt that may or MAY NOT BE from Mary??? I think it lines up more with superstition
Of course, Mary is an example to us of unflinching faith and, of course, we should honor her for her place as the mother of our Savior. We love her as a sister in the Lord and rejoice that one day we will meet her in Heaven. She is honored and respected without the mistake of placing her between us and Jesus. We will all be equal to each other in Heaven and we will give all glory and praise to him. There will BE no mother, father, husband or wife, but only brothers and sisters together in Christ. Only Jesus is our mediator with the Father and because of HIM we have received grace, mercy and forgiveness.
I think some people here confuse age or numbers or might to make something right, but God is the source for all truth and the Bible is his infallible authority gift to us his children. We should know by now that fallible men are not worthy of our unquestioning trust. That is why God gave us the Scriptures as well as the indwelling Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth.
lets look at that..1st we would have EXPERTS validate the authenticity of the object..2nd no one would kiss them expecting to get as little less burn time by that ...Odds are that this belt is not from mary and like most Rc "relics" is little more than a scam
Why do you start with a typical Catholic error?
1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
>> What Councils of the Church should we pay attention to?<<
Jeremiah 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
Job 15:8 Have you heard the council of God? and do you limit wisdom to yourself?
>> What Creeds enunciated by the ancient Church should we pay attention to?<<
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
>>What particular translation of the Bible must we study?<<
The one with 66 books along with a Greek Hebrew lexicon.
>>What denominations are the closest to what you are certain is the True Church?<<
The one led by Jesus Christ whose members may be may find themselves in any one of a myriad of churches or no organized church at all.
The last Council that I consider dogmatic is the first Council. At Jerusalem. Acts 15. Where James, the brother of Jesus, was president. I’m not aware of any more Christian Councils in the Bible after that one.
Oh sure, you had to bring up the fact that Jesus had a brother and Mary had other children didnt you. :-)
Ignoring the Catholic bash (my question was to sola believers...what I hear you saying is that if two such believers come to different conclusions (which they do on many important and vital matters) then one of them is simply not listening to the Holy Spirit. Please confirm that is what you are saying.
lol! You don’t think it was too much TRUTH overload, do you?..:)
They are more to be pitied than censured.
So according to you Russian Orthodoxy is not a Christian church?
Haven't you heard? the Moderator wouldn't need to have deputies if we do a good enough job moderating ourselves. It was a friendly reminder. As far as objecting to asking another poster questions of which he feels certain is the truth, I have no problems at all with that, in fact, CB was doing just that. If that was what you were really doing, then I wonder why there was a need to couch your questions with:
Well, let us listen to the prophet CynicalBear then.
Questions, oh holy and all knowing CynicalBear
Your other questions were valid AND asked appropriately and, I would hope, asked in a spirit of respect. Any other way doesn't deserve an answer.