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Cardinal Schönborn again hosts Medjugorje 'seers' in Vienna cathedral
Catholic World News ^ | November 17, 2011

Posted on 11/25/2011 7:59:23 AM PST by Gamecock

Cardinal Christoph Schönborn celebrated Mass at Vienna’s cathedral of St. Stephen on November 17, as part of a televised event that included testimony from a Medjugorje “seer,” who promised an apparition of the Virgin Mary immediately before the Mass.

Ivan Dragicevic, one of the “seers” who claim to have been receiving regular apparitions of the Virgin May for decades, spoke in the cathedral, in an event that was offered on live streaming video broadcast. The schedule called for an apparition at 6:40 pm, Vienna time. Dragicevic said that the Mother of God would bless all those present—and that this blessing would extend to those watching the internet broadcast.

The event in the Vienna cathedral caused consternation among Catholics who have questioned the validity of the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje. Bishops in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where Medjugorje is located, have strongly discouraged interest in the “Medjugorje phenomenon.” Still the alleged seers have continued to make public appearances in Catholic churches around the world, with the apparent approval of other bishops.

Cardinal Schönborn has a history of showing support for the Medjugorje “seers.” Early in 2010, he was forced to apologize to Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar (the local diocese) for creating difficulties with his public expressions of support during a “private” visit to Medjugorje in December 2009. Later in the year, however, he welcomed the “seers” to Vienna and praised their efforts.

Last year the Vatican created a special commission to study the Medjugorje phenomenon, in response to pleas for a definitive statement from the Holy See on the alleged apparitions. The commission--chaired by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the retired vicar of the Rome diocese—has held meetings and interviews but has not issued any public statement.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: mary

1 posted on 11/25/2011 7:59:39 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy

for you Mary ping list.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 8:00:48 AM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

So I assume our Lady didn’t make an appearance at the scheduled time???


3 posted on 11/25/2011 8:04:51 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy

more nonsense and more evidence that the great falling away the Scriptures tell us will happen before the end, is well underway.

as Jesus said in Matthew 16:4, an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign will be given them except a sign of Jonah.

we have Jesus and His resurrection from the dead.


4 posted on 11/25/2011 8:17:34 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Gamecock

Step back...Don’t crowd...Plenty of visions for everyone...Yes, sir, money back gaurantee....Get yer visions while they’re Hot!...


5 posted on 11/25/2011 8:28:00 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Your ignorance and hatred is astounding.

The children of Medjugorje were living in a communist regime, where they risked their lives to call people to repentance and dedication to Jesus. Their parish priest was terribly tortured over a period lasting a year and a half. Their message helped inspire the people of Eastern Europe to have the courage to overthrow their communist masters, with the help of a *real* Christian Presbyterian named Ronald Reagan. They still live simple lives in the same small village.


6 posted on 11/25/2011 8:49:27 AM PST by dangus
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To: count-your-change

This is a foolish comment. Some apparitions have been validated (Lourdes and Fatima with miracles that have been validated. Just Google miracles at Lourdes and Fatima) while others have not. Medjugorje has not.


7 posted on 11/25/2011 9:00:17 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock
for you (sic) Mary Mockery ping list.

Fixed it for you. Thank me.

8 posted on 11/25/2011 9:07:28 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy

ANother Marycle! And just in time for the holiday season. Which really isn’t one, since Christ was born in September. But never mind that, the point is Mary wishes us Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men, through her..


9 posted on 11/25/2011 9:18:08 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: dangus

Medjugorge ... a serious subject. Much could be said. But it is posted here for amusement purposes.

Even those who think it is a fraud know that the comedy approach isn’t persuasive.


10 posted on 11/25/2011 9:26:08 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: dangus; Steelfish
“the event in the Vienna cathedral caused consternation among Catholics who have questioned the validity of the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje. Bishops in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where Medjugorje is located, have strongly discouraged interest in the “Medjugorje phenomenon.”

I guess they're guilty of “hatred and ignorance” too, right?

By the way, Did this “seer” put his face in his hat for his “apparition” show?

11 posted on 11/25/2011 10:07:58 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

You are correct. Many (including me) don’t find the Medjugorje appartiions to be credible.


12 posted on 11/25/2011 10:17:39 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish; dangus
One thing I find appalling about such affairs is the tawdry “celebrity seer” atmosphere. A so-called “seer” promises apparitions to order like an “Apparitions-R-Us” (do we have to put our hands on the t.v. to receive our blessing?) while the sincere believers take this as representative of Christ.

King Saul had a “seer” work for him too so there's every reason to be extremely, extremely careful about “visions and apparitions” and those who claim to produce them.

13 posted on 11/25/2011 10:35:31 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Steelfish

Considering the messages contrary to Catholic teaching that have issued from the “apparition” I have grave doubts as to its orgin and I don’t think it will ever be approved by the Church. Especially since the local bishop as stated over and over again that it does not pass the smell test. Oh he used a more official term than that but we know what was meant.


14 posted on 11/25/2011 10:53:13 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock

Considering the state the Catholic church in Austria is in the good Cardinal would do well to turn his attention to putting his own house in order instead of encouraging adherence to dubious visions.


15 posted on 11/25/2011 10:55:47 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: count-your-change

You are on point.

I see you remember Ernest Ansley(sp) too.


16 posted on 11/25/2011 10:57:12 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance
Considering the state the Catholic church in Austria is in the good Cardinal would do well to turn his attention to putting his own house in order instead of encouraging adherence to dubious visions.

Bears repeating. Not merely dubious visions, though, visions repeatedly condemned by the ordinary of the place where they are alleged to have occurred.

17 posted on 11/25/2011 11:03:28 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: count-your-change
One thing I find appalling about such affairs is the tawdry “celebrity seer” atmosphere.

It's actually worse than that. Compare the Medjugorje "visionaries" with the authentic visionaries of Lourdes and Fatima.

St. Bernadette, the visionary of Lourdes, entered a convent, died there, and her body is incorrupt.

Of the three Fatima visionaries, one, Sr. Lucia, entered a convent and died there, just recently. The other two died very young, shortly after the visions ended, during the influenza epidemic of 1918.

The Medjugorje "visionaries" have gotten married, traveled the world on someone else's dime, at least one of them has a spiffy house in Italy, etc. Not one of them has entered the priesthood or religious life. (Ivan evidently tried the seminary but flunked out.)

It doesn't make sense that someone would have an authentic vision, and continue to live a very ordinary, somewhat well-to-do, very secular life. Something is wrong here.

18 posted on 11/25/2011 11:09:50 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: lastchance
Amongst others. The peddlers of “blessed” medals, books, cloths, healings, of $100 preachers in $1000 suits...They all run together after all these years.
19 posted on 11/25/2011 11:17:10 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Campion

What sort of bishop would invite these wolves in to feed on his flock? Particularly when warned against it?

Simple and sincere people come seeking spiritual solace and feeding and they get skinned..I can’t express enough contempt for the shepherds that facilitate such things...

Not enough mill stones, there’s just not enough millstones.


20 posted on 11/25/2011 11:41:45 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Medjugorje was denounced by the local bishop and has been held in suspicion as being inauthentic.


21 posted on 11/25/2011 12:10:59 PM PST by rzman21
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To: lastchance

Fully agree.


22 posted on 11/25/2011 1:45:13 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: count-your-change

There is a difference between a healthy skepticism, which restrains the Church from chasing after unfounded miracles (the greatest of saints were skeptically reviewed after their deaths by a Devil’s advocate) and ignorant derision.

This healthy skepticism is precisely why the Catholic church has summoned them to Vienna. The local bishop has expressed doubts over the apparitions; the Franciscan ordinary whose parish Medjugorje is believes them to be real. Some suspect the motives of the bishop, since he dates back to the Communist domination, previous to Medjugorje.

There is no “miracle on demand” as insinuated on this thread, since nothing has ever suggested any public miracle occuring on demand or on regular timing, although millions have experienced miraculous events over the years. The scheduled event amounts to nothing other than the seers taking time out for their prayers.


23 posted on 11/27/2011 9:02:41 PM PST by dangus
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