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Posted on 11/25/2011 7:50:11 PM PST by rzman21

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To: Soothesayer9

You wrote:

“What a colossal lie.”

Prove it is a lie at all.

” The “Catholic” church did not come around for eons after all the apostles died (most of them MARRIED, but the catholic church doesnt like it when people mention that fact).”

Prove that as well. Give us the exact place and date the Catholic Church started “after all the apostles died”. When you fail to make anything even remotely close to a logical or historically accurate or convincing case what will that tell us?


61 posted on 11/26/2011 8:01:28 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Thank you for pointing out my ignorance. I hope you feel better and have a good day today.


62 posted on 11/26/2011 8:24:36 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: verga
So when Jesus says "This is my body.... This is my blood..."; the simple explanation would be the best rather than the convoluted "Well you see it is actually a metaphor..." If you are going to be consistent then you need to agree with the Catholic undertanding of that phrase.

If he was being literal then he was being very specific. THIS is my body. THIS is my blood. Meaning THAT bread and THAT wine that he was physically holding in his hand at THAT time.

He did NOT say "All future ceremonies where bread and wine are used are ALSO my blood and my body."

So literally, if you want to go that route, THAT was the only bread that was his body and the only wine that was his blood.

63 posted on 11/26/2011 8:27:51 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: BipolarBob

I will have a good day today. Now, maybe if you didn’t embrace ignorance - apparently deliberately so - you would too.


64 posted on 11/26/2011 8:30:37 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: None

Well the way this thread is going I expect one of these Protestant Fundies to say that Mother Teresa was not saved because she was trying to use works to get herself to heaven.
And I’ve heard that used quite a few times. Anything gets thrown against the wall, and anything a Protestant will find some belief in(sticks against the wall) gets tossed around over and over.


65 posted on 11/26/2011 8:35:28 AM PST by RBIEL2
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To: RBIEL2
I expect one of these Protestant Fundies to say that Mother Teresa was not saved because she was trying to use works to get herself to heaven.

You won't hear it from me. I have no idea why someone would make such a statement.

66 posted on 11/26/2011 8:37:42 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: DouglasKC

Paul tells us in his first letter to the Corinthians that this teaching is so important that Jesus Himself taught it to Paul.

what did Jesus teach Paul?

“is not the bread we break a participation in THE BODY OF CHRIST”

the Scriptures do not teach anything other than the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

not only that, read St Ignatius, who was persoanlly taught by the Apostle John, when he says in 105ad that the Gnostics did not take the Eucharist because they did not believe it to be the flesh of Jesus Christ.

why anyone would believe the Gnostics were right, rather than what Christians have believed for 2,000 years, i will never know.

this teaching is folly to them.


67 posted on 11/26/2011 8:39:03 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: neverbluffer
Seems like some Protestants always try and find a way to discredit the Catholic Vhurch, the very Church that all other Christian religions came from...

This is the collosal lie that lies at the root of Romanism. As has been pointed out on this thread quite a few times, there is no such thing as "Father" Peter, "Father" John, "Father" Paul, etc., in the NT. Same with Priests, Popes, Nuns. Case closed.

Papists extrapolate their Roman heirachial system, which arose centuries after the Apostles, into the original church.

Protestantism is the attempt to reach back to the paradigm of Chriatianity we see in the Bible alone, past the monstrous syncretist impostor, the Roman Papacy, the phoney posing as the genuine, posing as "the church that all other Christian religions come from."

The RCC is nothing but a cult, obvious when you compare the Bible against it, differing from other cults like Mormonism only in the amount of time its been around.

68 posted on 11/26/2011 9:53:15 AM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas

What were the Protestants protesting and when did they start?


69 posted on 11/26/2011 10:05:58 AM PST by OldEagle
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What were the Protestants protesting and when did they start?

There have always been a group that differed from the Catholic Church. So to answer your question. Always. They didn't have the power or historians to publicize there was anything else until Martin Luther made a very public display that couldn't be ignored by history. Jesus and the disciples weren't RCC. They were Jews and practiced that religion on a heightened scale. There have always been a remnant church through the ages out of the limelight that kept the true religion that Christ taught including the observance of the 7th day Sabbath. What were they protesting? Power. The power of the priests. The fact that they kept Gods Word from the common people. Under pretense they said the people couldn't comprehend without "assistance".

70 posted on 11/26/2011 10:33:25 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: OldEagle

I’m sure you understand what the word “protest” means. Most associate names like John Wycliffe, John Huss, Martin Luther, Tyndale, John Knox, with it. You know this, I’m sure, so what are you getting at?


71 posted on 11/26/2011 10:34:51 AM PST by sasportas
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To: BipolarBob

what do you think of Ellen White, Christian or false prophetess?


72 posted on 11/26/2011 10:39:58 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I think of Ellen White the same as I do Mother Teresa. Someone with a purpose. Trying to do Gods will. It is not for me to judge either one. I no longer attend SDA Church because of their focus on her. I have no conviction on her one way or the other. Jesus should be the focus of any Church or believer. No prophetess, priest, Pope or any object of adoration should be a distraction in the true worship of God.


73 posted on 11/26/2011 10:49:26 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: BipolarBob

Actually one shouldnt be an SDA because their doctrine allows abortion( in their eyes, in a limited sense) and their hospitals as a follow on to that doctrine, officially and openly perform abortions.Other than that current mainstream SDA has little against it, with a less than mainstream attachment to Ellen White.


74 posted on 11/26/2011 11:48:29 AM PST by RBIEL2
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To: DouglasKC
If he was being literal then he was being very specific. THIS is my body. THIS is my blood. Meaning THAT bread and THAT wine that he was physically holding in his hand at THAT time. He did NOT say "All future ceremonies where bread and wine are used are ALSO my blood and my body." So literally, if you want to go that route, THAT was the only bread that was his body and the only wine that was his blood.

I will gladly go that route. Lets take a look at the entire passage..."Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me."

1) In the original Greek Jesus is not saying "This is my body" as in having ownership of something such as a book or a car. No he actually says "This is the body which is mine". Making is much more personal.

2) Also notice the the clause "This do in remembrance of me." He is telling them to repeat this event. Now this is where you say well it must be symbolic! But that is where you are woefully wrong. The word "remembrance" has special significance to the Jewish community. They were celebrating the Passover, the precursor to the Exodus. Jewish people consider the performance of the Passover ritual as an actual participation in the passover event. It is eternally present in the participation of that event.

Now at this point you are going to ask me to prove it, I will go you one better, I will let you prove it. Go to Askmoses.com they have Rabbis there that are specialist in various areas, find one that is an expert on the passover and languages.

75 posted on 11/26/2011 12:25:21 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on television.)
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To: rzman21
""Why not just take the WORD for it’s word?"

Because you can’t trust the hearer.

I trust the teller.(The Living Word)

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Is the papacy the One and Only? You tell me not to trust myself.

I am the way and the truth and the life., but only through the Catholic Church? Surely ye jest!

76 posted on 11/26/2011 3:01:55 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: verga
>"So when Jesus says "This is my body.... This is my blood..."; the simple explanation would be the best "

Yes. The word was made FLESH and dwelt among us. Divine flesh. Shedding, flaking, being ripped torn slashed bruised and crucified to be spread with the water and wind to fill the earth.

Diffusion = the process by which molecules intermingle as a result of their kinetic energy of random motion.


How many molecules of Christ did you receive today?

77 posted on 11/26/2011 3:11:41 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: DouglasKC

I explained your error in post # 75, please address the points I made and the evidence I supplied.


78 posted on 11/27/2011 3:03:54 AM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on television.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

surely you jest if you think Jesus and His Body can be seperated.

read Acts 9:4-5, was Saul persecuting the Church or Jesus or both?


79 posted on 11/27/2011 7:06:24 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
3 days?

When he broke bread and said "This is my body" did he not separate himself for each and every one of us to have a part of him within us?

80 posted on 11/28/2011 3:45:32 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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