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United Methodist bishops say they'll uphold ban on same-sex unions
thebostonpilot.com ^ | 11/27/2011 | n/a

Posted on 11/27/2011 6:32:47 PM PST by massmike

The United Methodist Church's Council of Bishops said in a Nov. 10 letter they would continue to uphold the denomination's ban on blessing same-sex unions.

"As the Council of Bishops we will uphold the Book of Discipline as established by General Conference," the denominational assembly that meets every four years and is the church's highest policymaking body, said the letter, which was addressed to all Methodists.

Paragraph 341.6 of the Book of Discipline says, "Ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions shall not be conducted by our ministers and shall not be conducted in our churches." The book also calls homosexuality "incompatible with Christian teaching" and bans its churches from hosting, and its clergy from officiating at, "ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions."

Earlier this year, about 1,000 clergy signed a letter declaring they would bless a gay marriage if they believed the couple was sufficiently prepared. They were joined by 36 retired Methodist bishops who called on the denomination to end its ban on ordaining "self-avowed practicing" gay clergy.

In response, more than 2,500 other Methodist clergy and 11,000 laypeople signed petitions urging the Council of Bishops to uphold the gay marriage ban.

The United Methodist Church has about 7.8 million members in the United States and more than 12 million members worldwide, with 44,000 ordained clergy.

In June, one Methodist minister was suspended for 20 days and ordered to enter into a yearlong process "to restore the broken clergy covenant relationship" after being convicted by a jury of her peers, as called for in the Book of Discipline, of officiating at a same-sex marriage.

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; umc

1 posted on 11/27/2011 6:32:57 PM PST by massmike
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To: massmike

Methodists standing up for their beliefs - surprise.....


2 posted on 11/27/2011 6:35:52 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: massmike

This is interesting, considering the number of gay pastors they have out west. They pride themselves on “open minds, open hearts”. I left them years ago.


3 posted on 11/27/2011 6:41:33 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: massmike

Why do they need a Book of Discipline? It states in the Bible quite clearly that homosexuality is a grave sin. And therefore anything that comes from homosexuality, like same sex marriage, is also a sin.


4 posted on 11/27/2011 6:41:42 PM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: massmike

I am glad to hear this is happening.....but it it sad this is even an issue in any church.....but as we know churches of today are making their own rules and not following God’s teachings......


5 posted on 11/27/2011 6:42:42 PM PST by Kimmers (Pray more and shoot straight.........)
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To: massmike
Well, hallelujah I can't believe they finally took a stand.
6 posted on 11/27/2011 6:56:48 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: massmike

happily amazed


7 posted on 11/27/2011 7:04:02 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Only good until the next General Conference though.


8 posted on 11/27/2011 7:05:41 PM PST by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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To: massmike

I’m amazed.


9 posted on 11/27/2011 7:19:15 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: massmike

It means nothing if they are not going to defrock the clergy who say they will ‘bless’ same sex unions.


10 posted on 11/27/2011 7:24:53 PM PST by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: upchuck

“Why do they need a book of discipline”
When John Wesley organized the movement that would be known as Methodism, he introduced a variation of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer which was called the Methodist Book of Discipline. It has the laws and the general doctrinal position of the denomination. It is how the Methodist Church has always operated since the 18th century.


11 posted on 11/27/2011 8:11:19 PM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: Battle Axe

The position stated in the Book of Discipline has been there for many years. Although the noisy minority have tried to get a change, they have been unsuccessful.


12 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:02 PM PST by Techster
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To: massmike

Wow - my experience is that Methodists continuously hold the liberal line on things. I just assumed they allowed %$%#%$#@ to be pastors by now.


13 posted on 11/27/2011 8:47:02 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: massmike
So, are they only stopping at "blessing same-sex unions?"

If so, they have already apostatized.

14 posted on 11/27/2011 8:50:09 PM PST by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: iceskater
It means nothing if they are not going to defrock the clergy who say they will ‘bless’ same sex unions.

Exactly. The last "chastisement" was barely a hand slap, to a woman pastor (yet another heretical problem with modern Methodism.)

15 posted on 11/27/2011 8:52:56 PM PST by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: NonValueAdded
Only good until the next General Conference though. . . . .

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Being a Christian means more than simply acknowledging that Christ lived and died and lived again. We must know He is Lord and that we must follow His commandments. This can be a problem if we don't know what His commandments are.

I don't personally believe that “love thy neighbor” means having sex with him. I also believe that when God told Adam and Eve to be the first husband and wife and told them to multiply and replenish the earth that he wasn't talking about math.

Queers, no matter what their sex cannot reproduce. They can be husband and husband or wife and wife but queers cannot be husband and wife as long as they practice their homosexuality.

The Methodist church, the one I belonged to some sixty years ago or so has changed much in the last several decades. I am surprised that they drew a line at homosexuality, that they did is good but it presents a real problem. Some “Christian” churches allow homosexuals to marry and even to be married by practicing homosexual ministers of the faith, that is ordained pastors or priests. Some other Christian churches say that that is wrong. They can’t both be right. Why is that a problem? Well according to the Savior we must be perfect to enter in to God's presence. None of us are perfect. Fortunately Christ has already paid for our sins, the punishment for sin is death and Christ did indeed die. So do we automatically all get a free pass to Heaven? I think not. There is a catch. We have to ask for that forgiveness for the punishment of Christ to count for payment of our sins. In order to receive forgiveness we must repent of our sins and quit doing them. If we make a mistake He will allow us to try again, and again and again as long as we live. We must try. If we live in a sinful relationship that is an abomination to Christ's laws how can we approach him in repentance? We can't. We can approach Him and ask Him to help us out of the relationship or out of the sin but we can't ask forgiveness for something we know we will keep doing, that would be a lie.

What if homosexuality is ok, then the pastors that will not allow it are in sin, it can't be both ways. Either is is wrong or it is right. There is a third option, that it simply doesn't matter but I don't take that one seriously.

God gave Adam, Eve, not Fred or Bill or Ben. Eve was a helpmate to Adam, not Gwen or Alice or Elisha.

In my honest opinion, homosexuality is an abomination that will keep those that practice it away from the presence of God for eternity if they don't repent and beg forgiveness.

Those Priests who practice or condone this evil sin will be just as guilty as the worst offender.

I hope my old church never allows this evil in its walls.

16 posted on 11/27/2011 8:59:42 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
It is sort of like "Don't ask don't tell."
17 posted on 11/27/2011 9:03:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: massmike

A very good sign. Good for these Christians.

Freegards


18 posted on 11/27/2011 9:03:31 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: massmike

placemark!


19 posted on 11/27/2011 9:53:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: JAKraig

I know at least one female bishop who is not happy about this.


20 posted on 11/27/2011 10:03:20 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Government must be taken back from the thieves who have stolen it.)
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To: aimhigh

Perhaps they should retitle their slogan “Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Legs” as Mike S. Adams did in this excellent column a few years ago:

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2007/01/31/open_hearts,_open_minds,_and_open_legs/print


21 posted on 11/27/2011 11:05:29 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Personally, I am a Methodist. I was raised in the church. However, early on I was taught that there was a significant difference between Wesleyan Methodists and United Methodists. Frankly I am surprised they did this. I stopped going to United Methodist churches years ago. Wesleyan Methodist churches are not easy to find in Arizona.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 12:11:32 AM PST by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: sueuprising

Obviously I’m not a Methodist :)

Thanks for the informative history.


23 posted on 11/28/2011 3:54:02 AM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: BizBroker

“Wesleyan Methodist Churches are not easy to find in Arizona”
They are almost impossible to find in New York! I, too, recognize the vast difference between a Wesleyan Methodist and a United Methodist, the latter being much more liberal. I attended a United Methodist Church for years during the time that this particular church was blessed with a spirit filled Pastor. When he retired it was impossible to replace him. The congregation was presented with either incompetents or with women ministers. They finally settled on an Asian pastor from Connecticut. But he,like most of the leadership in the modern Methodist church, lacked any kind of scriptural insight and proceeded to give the standard 15-20 minute sermonette which lacked any kind of biblical backbone. In addition, he refused to condemn either abortion or homosexuality even when a few congregants asked him to take a stand. I did leave this church with great sadness as Methodism is the doctrinal stance that I hold in life, although I now attend a Baptist church. I have searched literally for years for a Methodist church that is conservative and strictly biblically based but have never found one in my regional area (Long Island). I heard that elsewhere in the USA, Methodism is more traditional but I feel that the damage was already done back in the ‘60s when the Methodist Episcopal Church joined the United Brethren Church to become United Methodism.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 4:45:51 AM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: sueuprising

Your story is similar to mine. I was raised a Methodist. But the Methodist Church left me years ago.

Elian Gonzalez was one of the final straws. The UMC supporting Obamacare was the end. You may find a local congregation that is biblically based but the national level church is chock-full of liberals and refugees from the 1960’s. One member of my former church said that (regarding Obamacare) was ‘just the national church’. Well, IMHO, that’s the same mindset that has gotten us in such a mess politically.

So, no more. I attend a Baptist church now. They have welcomed me with open arms. The pastor preaches the Gospel in a way I haven’t heard in years. My soul is fed now. I didn’t realize I was spiritually starving until I was fed.

Shame on the UMC for leaving the Gospel.


25 posted on 11/28/2011 6:05:14 AM PST by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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