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Gary Zimak is the founder of Following The Truth Ministries (http://www.followingthetruth.com), a lay apostolate created to assist Catholics in learning more about their Faith. He is a regular guest on EWTN Radio’s “Son Rise Morning Show”, Ave Maria Radio’s “Catholic Connection with Teresa Tomeo” and appears frequently on several other Catholic radio programs.  In addition to writing for CatholicLane. Mr. Zimak hosts a daily program on BlogTalkRadio and posts frequently on his blog, Facebook and Twitter.  He is a member of Catholics United For The Faith and the Knights of Columbus and resides in New Jersey.

1 posted on 11/28/2011 8:13:02 AM PST by Salvation
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2 posted on 11/28/2011 8:16:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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“We are to look to “the Church” to discover the truth…but which one? “

A hint: It won’t be one that molests your children then seeks to cover it up.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 8:21:11 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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You can’t pull a few verses out of context and say you have discovered the whole truth.

Doing that, you can make the bible say almost anything you want. That is why so many do just that. Beware anyone who does this as they are being DECEPTIVE, not very Christian.

Read the bible yourself, always in context. Don’t allow others to tell you what it says. That includes your pastor.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 8:21:18 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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Perhaps, being all-powerful, God provides different road maps to different individuals?


8 posted on 11/28/2011 8:28:48 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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And as interesting as the read is, it is still Rome’s version. I do not need guidelines from a man made organization. I can read the Bible for my own self


10 posted on 11/28/2011 8:33:29 AM PST by Nifster
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29 posted on 11/28/2011 9:08:27 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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30 posted on 11/28/2011 9:08:34 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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We use many of the same scriptures to prove the necessity of One True Church to provide evidence that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints fills the bill nicely.

(ok...I’m trolling just a bit!)


34 posted on 11/28/2011 9:18:36 AM PST by 47samurai (The last real conservative)
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Thank you, Salvation, for putting yourself out there and posting this. It reveals to us non-Catholics where you are coming from.


37 posted on 11/28/2011 9:24:56 AM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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Why does the Catholic church omit the 2nd Commandment from their version of the 10 Commandments?

You know, the one about graven images.
42 posted on 11/28/2011 10:13:19 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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Excellent article, Salvation! Thank you for posting it to the forum.


78 posted on 11/28/2011 1:56:04 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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OK, ‘fess up.

Who added the extra keywords?
I only put in four. bible catholic, prayer , theology

KEYWORDS: bible; catholic; catholicism; christianity; prayer; theology; Click to Add Keyword


80 posted on 11/28/2011 2:00:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The one true church of Jesus Christ is his body of believers, not denominations.


90 posted on 11/28/2011 2:39:17 PM PST by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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Great article, thanks for the ping.


122 posted on 11/28/2011 4:56:56 PM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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I think we should all recall Paul’s wise words in 1 Corinthians 9:22 in these discussions - I try to find common ground with everyone that I might bring them to Christ.

On this Peter/Rock thing - Please do a word search on Rock, Cornerstone etc and see how many times it comes up in context as referring to Jesus, our Lord, or the Word, which is Jesus, (see John 1) and what he would accomplish for the world by his sacrifice and in his Kingdom. Jesus did not say it was finished on the cross and end 2,000 years of the old covenant and its sacrifices, plus hundreds of man made religious traditions/burdens, to create yet another burdensome religious hierarchy on the physical man, Peter. How would that even be possible or even desirable? Peter would physically die and his spirit join the Lord in Heaven. But Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, has been active here since Pentecost. The Church is STILL being built by this revelation.

What eactly did Peter confess? That Jesus is the Son of God. How are we saved? By believing in your heart and confessing that Jesus is the Son of God.(Romans 10) THAT IS HOW THE CHURCH IS BUILT. We are saved/recreated and join God’s family, by believing and confessing Jesus as our Savior. For 2,000 years, this is how GOD’S CHURCH has grown. We are not joing a social club or secret society, we are being spiritually reborn into God’s family.

People are being born again, filled with the Holy Spirt all over the world and in many different churches to this day. In fact, I just heard a wonderful testimony from a Nigerian Believer yesterday now studying here in the states. He was not recreated by Peter or a denomination, it was through faith in Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit recreating his spirit and providing for all his needs.

It was Peter’s declaration that Jesus was the anointed Son of God, that CONFESSION, is how the Church is built. And in that same verse, Jesus says that HE would build it, not Peter. Jesus is the head of the Church (big C - collection of Believers who trust in Jesus). The Believers are his body on earth. The power of binding and loosing is for all Believers, again not an institution and not just Peter. God is no respecter of persons. All Believers can enjoy all the spiritual gifts.

Start from verse 13 and notice that Jesus was asking them all who he was. The revelation that Peter received from God and confessed is the rock. Jesus never told him to become the first pope - that would be quite a stretch of this passage that even Peter seemingly disagreed with (see 1 Peter 2 and Acts 4). In fact, only a few verses later in Matthew 16, Jesus rebukes him for thinking like Satan and countering the will of God. Jesus tells him that he is looking at things from a human point of view - something we all must avoid.

A few passages referencing Jesus/Rock/cornerstone/Kingdom: (see also Daniel 2 - the supernatural rock that crushes the other kingdoms and fills the earth)

Peter preaching under the anointing of the Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus referencing prophecy - He is ‘the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the builders, which has become the head of the corner.’ Acts 4:11 WEB - This sermon would have been a perfect time to point out that he was the head of the church and the “rock”.

Because it is contained in Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, chosen, and precious: He who believes in him will not be disappointed.” 1 Peter 2:6 WEB, WEY, RSV, NIV - Again Peter writes about who, Jesus, the precious cornerstone who will not disappoint our faith. If Peter ever thought he was the foundation of a church, now would have been a good time to mention it. But no, he always pointed to Christ, His Savior and ours.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11 - Paul makes it clear, Jesus is the foundation, not Paul, not Peter, not any man or institution other than Jesus. Tradition, philosophy, dogma have no part of the foundation of God’s Church.

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV - Paul discussing and comparing the children of Israel to his new children under the New Covenant. Note - Spiritual rock = Christ, not Peter or even Paul. We are ambassadors of Christ in a fallen world. Just like the Jews we need a supernatural source and supply that can only come from Jesus.

“There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God. ... There is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God. - 1 Samuel 2:2 - Hannah’s prayer of praise is a beautiful witness.

“The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior! ... “The LORD lives! Praise to my Rock! May God, the Rock of my salvation, be exalted! 2 Samuel 47 - David praising God his rock. Coincidence?

The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. - Psalm 18:2 - Another witness.

Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress. ... Be my rock of safety where I can always hide. Psalm 71:3 Yet another witness comparing the Lord to a rock. Remember, Jesus came to FULFILL the law, so everything spoken of him was accomplished by and through him.

He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that... - Luke 6:48 see also Matthew 7:24. The Word (Jesus) is that solid foundation. When the floods come against the house built on the Rock (Jesus) it will NOT fall.

And I’m quoting a much longer passage because it is especially relevant:

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.” Romans 9:30-33 NIV - Our righteousness, or right standing with God, is based solely on our faith in Jesus. The simplicity of the Gospel is still a stumbling block for far too many people.

I encourage you to get out your Bible and read the verses above in context, starting with Matthew 16 where the Peter/Rock thing starts. Ask God for wisdom and understanding - He gives it willingly to those searching for the Truth. I have not turned to any denomination or elders or deacons, I have leaned heavily on God’s Word for everything I have written. I have often found that if you pick up the Bible and read it like you have never read it before, it comes alive in your spirit.

If time permits and this thread continues, I will address some of the other points from the source article.


181 posted on 11/29/2011 12:44:57 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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Bump for a later Wednesday read.


213 posted on 11/29/2011 10:13:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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