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To: ottbmare

“Full disclosure: I was raised as a Protestant and educated as a scientist, so until two years ago I thought the Catholic Church was full of superstitious nonsense, too. Then I began studying the doctrines with great rigor. It was amazing to find the clear logic behind everything I’d been taught to regard as stupid.”

Interesting. Perhaps you can answer the following for me. (I haven’t been able to get a clear answer from a Catholic yet.)

On what does the Catholic church base it’s claim to authority?

Serious question.


43 posted on 11/28/2011 10:29:20 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Serious answer: Jesus said of and to Peter, “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” And Peter took it from there, preaching throughout the Mediterranean and eventually serving in the primacy in Rome. For fifteen hundred years afterward there was no other church (the Latin church includes all of the Eastern churches as part of the same body). There is no record of Jesus coming back to earth and saying, “I changed My mind, the deal with Peter is off.” The Catholic Church and its leaders are descended in a direct line from Peter who was assigned by Jesus.


55 posted on 11/28/2011 10:53:37 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; ottbmare

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/church-authority.html


113 posted on 11/28/2011 3:32:12 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
. (I haven’t been able to get a clear answer from a Catholic yet.) On what does the Catholic church base it’s claim to authority? Serious question.

I have personally answered this question to you five times. You either don't like the answer of can't understand it but here goes for the sixth time.

Now pay attention to the Words of Jesus

Mat 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Mat 16:19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican. Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, what things soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and what things soever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Jesus promises the Church will be built on Peter, that Church will have authority and the succesors ofthe apostels willhave that same authority. seems pretty clear.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.

Tells the apost4els to spread th word.

Here is the authority he gave to the aposltes and their succesors.

(forgiving sins) Joh 20:23 whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

(Offer the sacrifice of the Mass) 1Co 11:23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread; 1Co 11:24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.

(Speak with God's own voice)Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth me; and he that rejecteth me rejecteth him that sent me.

(power to legislate)Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, what things soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and what things soever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(power to discipline)Mat 18:17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.

119 posted on 11/28/2011 4:33:53 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on television.)
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