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FLDS community said to be purging itself of outside influence
KSLTV ^ | December 5, 2011 | John Hollenhorst

Posted on 12/06/2011 10:20:11 AM PST by greyfoxx39

SALT LAKE CITY — A new crackdown on followers of Warren Jeffs by his own lieutenants, and a ban on such everyday items as children's toys, have triggered turmoil in the FLDS community.

Former members of the group say a large-scale purge is underway in the twin towns of Colorado City, Arizona and Hildale, Utah. Many followers of the imprisoned polygamist leader are being forced out and many others are said to be leaving voluntarily because they're disturbed by what's going on.

"A lot of people are scared; a lot of people are just getting tired," said Isaac Wyler, a former member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. "With the numbers of people that are being kicked out right now, yeah, I'd say it's a purge."

With the numbers of people that are being kicked out right now, yeah, I'd say it's a purge,
–Isaac Wyler, former FLDS member

Among the new edicts, according to Wyler, is a ban children's toys. "Also," Wyler said, "they have been told to get rid of their bicycles and trampolines."

Observers say it's part of a program to cleanse and purify FLDS members, with a deadline of Dec. 31. FLDS faithful reportedly have to profess their loyalty to Jeffs and to show they're obeying his moral edicts. If they don't do so by the end of the year, they're out.

Attempts to reach FLDS leaders for a statement were unsuccessful. One person who has acted as an FLDS spokesman in the past said he believes the leaders would have no comment on the new developments.

Convicted child-rapist Warren Jeffs is reportedly still pulling the strings from his prison cell in Texas. Former members say his edicts are passed on through phone calls to FLDS leaders. His brother, Lyle Jeffs, appears to be the most powerful FLDS leader outside of prison.

Tensions are on the rise, according to private investigator Sam Brower who has tracked the group's activities for years. "I think Warren's getting them wound up pretty tight," Brower said. "I worry now more than I ever have before."

More than 100 used bikes are for sale at a business alongside the highway in the FLDS community. Brower said he knows an ousted FLDS member who tried to give bicycles as gifts to his estranged children who are living with their mother under FLDS control. "He brought brand new bicycles to his kids," Brower said, "An hour later they were in the dumpster."

They've completely banned Internet from Colorado City. They don't talk to anybody on the outside unless it's for business.
–Carlos Holm, relative for FLDS members

Former member Carlos Holm, who has numerous relatives in the group, said many FLDS members are quitting or expecting to be forced out by Dec. 31. Holm said FLDS leaders are cracking down on entertainment and outside sources of information, enforcing bans on DVD movies, news media content and the like.

He also said FLDS members were ordered to make a list of their personal possessions. "And they're supposed to write down everything they had," Holm said, "every last item in their house — from a dish-cloth to every butter knife — everything they owned. And if they owned any movies they were supposed to write that too. But they'd obviously lie about it so they wouldn't be kicked out."

FLDS families have been told to turn over $5,000 to the church, Brower said, and all members have been told they must be re-baptized by Dec. 31.

Wyler said members are required to profess their loyalty to Jeffs in personal interrogations by the end of the year. "They're going to ask them if they believe that Warren Jeffs is the prophet of God and will they obey him 100 percent, and things like that," Wyler said.

Interrogations have been so intense, focusing on intimate sexual matters, that many are quitting before they're kicked out, Wyler said. "They're just leaving. They're just saying the questions they ask are way too personal and they feel violated when they're done," he said.

He believes by the end of the year, hundreds will have quit or been kicked out. Typically, departing members leave behind fractured families because church leaders reassign their wives and children to faithful FLDS members. The disruption of family life could put FLDS leaders in danger, according to Holm.

"There will be violence," Holm said, "because people have been, their whole entire life has been completely destroyed by Warren Jeffs."

They're having meetings every day. (Warren Jeffs is) backing them against the wall.
–Sam Brower, private investigator

Wyler and Brower said the bans on toys and bicycles stems from printed declarations by Jeffs. He has taught that children should not be encouraged to play but should be put to work and, in the case of girls, be turned into mothers. "His purpose is to take all the joy out of life," Brower said.

Wyler said a ban on toys is not a surprise, since similar bans have been in effect for years at the FLDS ranch in Texas. "They'll do anything in a cult," Wyler said. "To me, it's a cult. And the more control they gain over the people the more cultish it becomes."

Brower also worries increasing pressure by Jeffs on his own followers is a sign of a dangerous tendency. "They're having meetings every day. He's backing them against the wall," Brower said, comparing Jeffs to such notorious religious leaders as David Koresh and Rev. Jim Jones.

"It's getting really weird," Brower said. "The rabid 'Warren-ites' are taking over."

On Monday, Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff received a mailing of purported revelations from Jeffs. The writings claim that God wants imprisoned polygamists released. They also predict death and destruction to countries that don't "cleanse" themselves, including the United States.

Brower said he has information that three truckloads of "revelations" were mailed last week from Colorado City, presumably copies of the documents received by Shurtleff.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: flds; lds; mormon; mormonism; polygamy; polygyny; racistcult; romney
This is the fruit of the tree that Joseph Smith planted in the 1800s. The Salt Lake City mormon church grew from the very same seed. Mitt Romney was a missionary who spent two years attempting to convert Christians to the fruit of the tree planted by Joseph Smith.


1 posted on 12/06/2011 10:20:19 AM PST by greyfoxx39

To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; svcw; Enosh; ...

Polygamy ping


2 posted on 12/06/2011 10:23:59 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)

To: greyfoxx39

These people are sick. If a child escapes will they ever have a normal life.
Waiting for the defenders.


3 posted on 12/06/2011 10:30:30 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)

To: greyfoxx39
What does Joseph Smith's bible say about what should be done to those who cause a child to sin or commit a sin against a child? (Mathew 18:6)

What is Jeffrey's in prison for?

Did Joseph correct what Jesus said in his version of the bible or do we need to find a millstone?

Just asking.

4 posted on 12/06/2011 10:31:09 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)

To: greyfoxx39

Catholics and Protestants have their nutbars too.


5 posted on 12/06/2011 10:32:53 AM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)

To: greyfoxx39

“A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, nor can a good tree produce bad fruit.” Sorry, look to the trunk of this tree. Which is NOT a “hater” comment. If I hated those who have been misled, I’d just say nothing and let them reap what they’ve sown.


6 posted on 12/06/2011 10:33:21 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")

To: coydog
Catholics and Protestants have their nutbars too.

No argument there. But this article suggests that the LDS or FLDS leader is in prison for raping a child (likely in the name of religion). And he is still the "Leader." Is this some radical cult of LDS? Fundamentalist LDS = FLDS.

7 posted on 12/06/2011 10:41:31 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)

To: greyfoxx39

I’ve read that the TLC Browns belong to the Apostolic United Brethren.

When watching one of their recent episodes, one of the wives was talking about Warren Jeffs and his group and she made a big error in speaking.

She was trying to distance herself and her family from Jeffs and everything he stands for. She was trying to say that the Brown wives experience nothing like the wives that are under the control of Jeffs.

But then she said that those that follow Jeffs are simply following their prophet. Well, DUH. Just like she follows Allred and the false prophet Joseph Smith. Each one of them is just following another. Each one of them is a simple innocent in the grand scheme of things. No one should be held accountable. They’re just following prophets.

Not one of them is following God. She couldn’t even mention His name.


8 posted on 12/06/2011 10:49:48 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)

To: Tenacious 1

This FLDS nightmare will be used against Romney unfairly should he win the REP primary...


9 posted on 12/06/2011 10:49:48 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)

To: Tenacious 1

FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith did this...


FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young did it too...

...Just like they taught that the FLDS/LDS "jesus" did.

10 posted on 12/06/2011 11:00:40 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...

Anybody need a bike? I’ll drive my trusty F150 over there on my way to St. George and load er up.


11 posted on 12/06/2011 11:02:23 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)

To: greyfoxx39; Saundra Duffy; BlueMoose
"There are those in this audience who are descendants of the Lord’s Twelve Apostles-and, shall I say it, yes, descendants of the Savior himself. His seed is represented in the body of these men.”

- FLDS/LDS First Presidency Member and Apostle George Q. Cannon, Solemn Assembly in the Salt Lake Temple, July 2, 1899, Meeting Notes Utah State Historical Society, p. 376.

"Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the ‘grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.’ After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were ‘Mormons.’”

- FLDS/LDS Apostle Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346

Anyone care to comment ?

12 posted on 12/06/2011 11:09:45 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: coydog

Every religion has their nutbars, but in the case of the FLDS/LDS, it the the FOUNDERS ! Current members like Harry Reid and Mitt Romney are all the more fools for believing in it.


13 posted on 12/06/2011 11:12:35 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: greyfoxx39
Among the new edicts, according to Wyler, is a ban children's toys. "Also," Wyler said, "they have been told to get rid of their bicycles and trampolines."

Well; since the enforcement of "NO meat during warm weather" didn't work out too well...


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



14 posted on 12/06/2011 12:42:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: greyfoxx39
Among the new edicts, according to Wyler, is a ban children's toys. "Also," Wyler said, "they have been told to get rid of their bicycles and trampolines."

Well;I guess those REAL Mormons need a little "How to Handle a Bully" lessons.

15 posted on 12/06/2011 12:44:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: svcw
Waiting for the defenders.

It only took two more replies!


16 posted on 12/06/2011 12:46:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: SENTINEL
Not a JEWISH girl in the bunch!


17 posted on 12/06/2011 12:48:52 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: SENTINEL

All shiksas?


18 posted on 12/06/2011 12:53:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)

To: coydog
Catholics and Protestants have their nutbars too.

Individuals? Yes but this kind of nonsense is not official policy of either Catholics or Protestants.

19 posted on 12/06/2011 12:53:36 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but I want a President who loves mine.)

To: Utah Binger
20 posted on 12/06/2011 1:04:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: mdmathis6
This FLDS nightmare will be used against Romney unfairly should he win the REP primary...

True. He'll be asked WHY he does NOT have more than one wife.


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

- Brigham Young in JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


21 posted on 12/06/2011 1:08:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Elsie
22 posted on 12/06/2011 1:11:49 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)

To: greyfoxx39
Wyler said members are required to profess their loyalty to Jeffs in personal interrogations by the end of the year. "They're going to ask them if they believe that Warren Jeffs is the prophet of God and will they obey him 100 percent, and things like that," Wyler said.
 
 
Where on earth did they EVER get an idea like THAT??
 
 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

23 posted on 12/06/2011 1:11:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Elsie
...Not a Jewish name either...

Marge, Nicky, Margie, and Ana.

;)

24 posted on 12/06/2011 1:42:07 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: Elsie
...Not a Jewish name either...

Barb, Nicky, Margie, and Ana.

;)

25 posted on 12/06/2011 1:43:29 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: mdmathis6

Then fLDS member Wee Willie Mitty better drop out now ...

Cause for sure it will be unfair to the other candidates who have to put up with lies told about them...

While Willie Mitty gets the truth told on him...

This is his religion...

What he believes in ...

“Folla da profit”


26 posted on 12/06/2011 2:32:44 PM PST by Tennessee Nana

To: greyfoxx39

With the call for re-baptism, this is the same sort of ‘cleansing’ that Brigham Young did in Utah in the 1860’s. There was blood then as well, but that time it was limited to those who wouldn’t obey. This time I suspect the deaths will be on both sides.

Mormon history repeats itself.


27 posted on 12/06/2011 5:56:18 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: Tenacious 1

I check the Joseph Smith Translation and the wording is the same as the KJV but the numbering is different. Here is a link for you.

http://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/iv-mat.htm


28 posted on 12/06/2011 6:04:18 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: coydog

But Mormon ‘nutbars’ like Jeffs are the ones who are actually FOLLOWING the teachings of their church. It is the SLC ‘mormons’ who are the heretics in Mormonism.


29 posted on 12/06/2011 6:06:52 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: mdmathis6

Not unfairly at all. These groups come from the same root as SLC LDS and are the ones following ALL of Joseph Smith’s teachings. Mormonism, by its very nature cannot allow for reformation since to do so would be to claim Smith was a false prophet and did not ‘restore’ anything.

FLDS in short is True Mormonism.


30 posted on 12/06/2011 6:12:09 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: SENTINEL; mrreaganaut

I actually liked that show. MrR couldn’t stand it.


31 posted on 12/06/2011 6:23:37 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: SENTINEL; mrreaganaut

I actually liked that show. MrR couldn’t stand it.


32 posted on 12/06/2011 6:23:53 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: Elsie
33 posted on 12/06/2011 7:02:27 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)

To: reaganaut
That link may be a bit confusing, as it stands alone.

Have a snippet where the JST and the KJV are compared...


 
See some differences between GOD's Word and the Joseph Smith's 'translation'
 
 


Color coding explanation:
 
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff... 
 *(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

 
 
 
 

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW
An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.
1 aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ccrowned on the right hand of God.
2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.
3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.
4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the asign of thy bcoming, and of the cend of the world, or the destruction of the dwicked, which is the end of the world?
5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;
6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am aChrist—and shall deceive many;
7 Then shall they deliver you up to be aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;
8 And then shall many be aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;
9 And many afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;
10 And because iniquity shall abound, the alove of many shall wax cold;
11 But he that remaineth asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.
12 When you, therefore, shall see the aabomination of bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.
13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the amountains;
14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;
15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;
16 And wo unto them that are with achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;
17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;
18 For then, in those days, shall be great atribulation on the bJews, and upon the inhabitants of cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.
19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.
20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.
21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;
22 For in those days there shall also arise false aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.
24 Behold, I have told you before;
25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;
26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the acarcass is, there will the eagles be bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.
28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.
29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.
31 And again, this aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;
32 And again shall the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the asun shall be bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.
35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.
36 And, as I said before, after the atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth bmourn; and they shall see the cSon of Man dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;
37 And whoso atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall bcome, and he shall send his cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
38 Now learn a parable of the afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;
39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;
40 But of that day, and hour, no one aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.
41 But as it was in the days of aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;
42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;
43 And aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other bleft;
45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;
46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.
47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.
48 Therefore be ye also aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.
49 Who, then, is a afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
50 Blessed is that aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord adelayeth his coming,
52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and agnashing of teeth.
55 And thus cometh the aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51
39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
King James Version of the Holy Bible
Public domain

34 posted on 12/06/2011 8:19:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Elsie

Thanks, Els. BTW SD is going nuts over on the Smithmas threads.


35 posted on 12/06/2011 8:48:38 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

To: SENTINEL

Are there still Warren Jeffs apologists hanging around here? I thought they’d be ashamed by now.


36 posted on 12/07/2011 10:37:36 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)

To: reaganaut

I liked it. Haven’t seen season 5 yet though.


37 posted on 12/08/2011 2:05:25 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: reaganaut

I liked it. Haven’t seen season 5 yet though.


38 posted on 12/08/2011 2:05:25 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)

To: SENTINEL

I haven’t seen Season 5 yet either. I’m waiting for my Sister in law to buy the DVDs of it so I can borrow them.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 4:43:22 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)

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