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Following The Truth: Ten Facts Most Catholics Donít Know (But Should!) (Catholic or Open)
CE.cpm ^ | July 9th, 2010 | Gary Zimak

Posted on 12/07/2011 8:24:20 AM PST by Salvation

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To: frogjerk

I have scanned some of the pages in and posted them before.

Let me see if I can find them.

The thing is a devotional. Those lines are on their own.

Each page has 10 or so lines/quotes of such stuff. They are just that . . . quotes from RC’s of the modern era and back several hundred years or more.


41 posted on 12/07/2011 1:22:27 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RobbyS

That’s an excellent point. If they didn’t have these Church Councils guided by the Holy Spirit, they probably would have just shoved all those other extra-Biblical documents that were floating around back then into the New Testament too. (Like you are saying, the “New Agers” of today are inadvertently highlighting the importance and necessity of those early Church Councils.)


42 posted on 12/07/2011 1:27:28 PM PST by Heart-Rest (The church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth. (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: cothrige
"...But, if the Blessed Virgin prays for that same person..."

And you call my reasoning "tortured?" Wow.

In case you didn't know it, the "blessed virgin" is dead, and can't pray for anyone. Me praying to God in the Name of Jesus as my "intercessor" is what the Bible tells me to do. Doing so does not make me the intercessor. I'm just one of the faithful following Biblical encouragement.

That your need to so distort clear fact (i.e., asserting that the deceased Mary "prays" for someone because you errantly ask her to) isn't a hint to you about how far off-base you are is the surest sign that you're in the Enemy's wretched grasp, and doing his vile work.

I will pray that the scales be removed from your eyes, and that your hardened heart be quickened to His perfect Word. I will not continue to dialogue with you, thus encouraging your sinful deceitfulness in this manner.

43 posted on 12/07/2011 1:58:46 PM PST by Gargantua (Men ARE created equal, but 21 years later... you get my point.)
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To: frogjerk
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44 posted on 12/07/2011 2:08:08 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

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45 posted on 12/07/2011 3:01:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gargantua
In case you didn't know it, the "blessed virgin" is dead, and can't pray for anyone.

Sorry, but soul sleep is not biblical.

Me praying to God in the Name of Jesus as my "intercessor" is what the Bible tells me to do. Doing so does not make me the intercessor. I'm just one of the faithful following Biblical encouragement.

You declared outright that if the Blessed Virgin prays to our Lord for somebody else it is intercession, and so it seems hard to understand how the same thing being done by you isn't. There is no expiration date on Christian charity, and if we are taught to pray for others in this life we will do the same in the next.

That your need to so distort clear fact (i.e., asserting that the deceased Mary "prays" for someone because you errantly ask her to) isn't a hint to you about how far off-base you are is the surest sign that you're in the Enemy's wretched grasp, and doing his vile work.

This is evidence to you that I am doing the Devil's work? That I have faith that God's own people are with him? What a strange faith you have.

I will not continue to dialogue with you, thus encouraging your sinful deceitfulness in this manner.

Well, whatever makes you happy, but I will reply here anyway as it is the proper and respectful thing to do. I won't look for you to do the same. And your false and unchristian judgement of myself in terms of "sinful deceitfulness" weighs strongly against you. The time is short and you should be mindful.

46 posted on 12/07/2011 3:05:53 PM PST by cothrige
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To: Salvation

THANKS for letting me know that y’all were familiar with that.

It’s virtually impossible to tell from y’all’s postings.


47 posted on 12/07/2011 3:08:57 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I will pray for you, for despite all our trials of education with you, you still diwown the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I feel sorry for you at the moment of your death when you meet Jesus. What will he say to you?

“Go with the goats because you repeatedly disowned my Mother and in so doing you disowned me. Begone.”


48 posted on 12/07/2011 3:14:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: liege

Number seven bothers me particularly since it conflates the Spiritual Bride with the man-made institution.


49 posted on 12/07/2011 3:22:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Salvation; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
Advent series ping.

Not sure how this ties into Advent but totally enjoyed the post!

50 posted on 12/07/2011 3:28:17 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Gargantua

**I was raised Catholic, through First Communion up to my Confirmation**

You are still a Catholic and always will be one, although you will have to answer for your inactive status at the present.

The word is “intercede”

The Blessed Virgin Mary and the saints are in heaven, much closer to Christ and God the Father and God the Holy Spirit than I am. So I ask them to pray for me. That’s what intercession/interceding is all about.

**Save your tortured mumbledygook **

I pity you at the moment you meet Christ when you die. Are you going to say you are sorry for “mumbledygooking” his Mother? Or will he say to you, “Go with the goats, you did not respect my Mother who brought me into the world at Christma. Begone to the darkness.” What will he say?


51 posted on 12/07/2011 3:31:51 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

It’s just the series I chose for Advent this year. Like I used Divine Mercy during Lent last year.


52 posted on 12/07/2011 3:34:06 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gargantua; Quix
Both of you read the Bible, right? Then why don't you believe this?

 
The Scripture Text Lk 1:26-38 

In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have favour with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to Him the throne of His father  David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there will be no end.” And Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I have no husband?” And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible.” And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her. (Lk 1:26-38 RSV) 

53 posted on 12/07/2011 3:43:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Not to the slightest degree.

You must also be reading a different ‘Bible.’


54 posted on 12/07/2011 4:20:10 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Salvation

How anyone can leap from Luke to the kind of hideousness that’s in Ferraro

and still claim to be rational

is beyond me.


55 posted on 12/07/2011 4:23:10 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alex Murphy
1. Women Will Never Be Priests

I don't care about this. Catholics can make up whatever rules they want for their own church.

2. Fridays Are Still Days Of Penance

I don't believe "penance" is a Scriptural concept since Christ died to set us free from the curse of sin and its punishments. He bore our punishment on the cross and we stand before God clothed in the righteousness of Christ, not our own. We have no righteousness that can satisfy the penalty of sin, which is DEATH.

3. The Bible Is A Catholic Book

The Bible is the Divinely-inspired, God-breathed Holy Scriptures that HE ensured contains all truth necessary for our salvation and the doctrines we must know to live holy and God-honoring lives. The books that were added to the Jewish Old Testament, called Deuterocanonical or Apocryphal, were not considered Divinely inspired, but only "useful" for the church. They contain numerous errors in history, geography and contradict other unanimously agreed as God-breathed Holy Scripture. God would not allow fallible and erroneous books to be held up as binding upon Christians.

4. The Mass Is The Same Sacrifice As Calvary

Catholics can think this if they want, but it doesn't make it true. Christ died "once for all" according to Scripture and his sacrifice is efficacious for all who by faith trust in Him as Savior. There is no need to "make the sacrifice present" for it to be propitiatory for all time. "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

5. Annulments Are Not Catholic Divorces

Yet plenty of people are granted them, even those who have been married for decades and have brought children into the world. Again, Catholics can do what they want, but they shouldn't pretend something that is provably false.

6. In Vitro Fertilization Is Morally Unacceptable

Catholics can make whatever rules they want for their members. I personally agree that in vitro is morally wrong because it destroys human life in the pursuit of creating human life. God alone opens and closes the womb so perhaps those who are unable to conceive children of their own are meant to parent children who have lost their natural parents. God provides.

7. There Is No Salvation Outside Of The Catholic Church

There is no salvation outside of faith in Jesus Christ. Once one is "born again" by faith in Christ, they automatically become part of the Body of Christ, the Church of the Living God. The "Catholic Church" used to be known as the "universal", or catholic, church and represents the entire spiritually united called-out assembly of those sanctified by faith in Jesus Christ - the saints.

8. In An Emergency, Anyone Can Baptize

It is only by grace through faith that we are saved. We are baptized in the Holy Spirit when we are born again. The outward act or ordinance of water baptism is a first act of obedience to testify to others of identification with Christ, as followers of him.

9. Hell And Purgatory Still Exist

Purgatory NEVER existed. There is no Scripture reference to it nor doctrinal justification for it. We are washed clean in the blood of Christ and he bore the punishment for all our sins. Because of this, we do not suffer the consequences of our sins after we die. While we are still alive, God disciplines and chastises us as our Heavenly Father who loves his children and desires for us to live blessed and holy lives. Not just to honor him but for our own benefit as well. Sin leads to dishonor and could even include physical death if we resist God's chastisement, but we are not judged according to our iniquities. We do not and cannot pay for our sins because the "wages of sin is death" - spiritual death.

10. Catholics Don’t Worship Mary And The Saints

I know you say this, and I accept that it is not "technically" approved, but I don't see how you can blame others for thinking you do by the evidence. Prayers to Mary that extol her God-like attributes, altars and candles set up before her statues and images, songs of praise, dogmas about her sinlessness and bodily assumption to Heaven, names like Co-Redemptress, Co-Mediatrix and source of all grace certainly suggest much more than honor and blessedness. Again, Catholics can do want they want, but to declare that they are THE One, True, and Only Church of Jesus Christ that outside of "her" none can be saved is taking it too far. To create whatever dogmas they desire and then holding ALL Christians to obedience and submission to the "infallible" Pope of Rome under threat of eternal damnation is a deep error that threatens the unity of all of the true children of God.

56 posted on 12/07/2011 5:16:23 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma
If anything, the font size, color and repetition just make me speed up and skip to the next post.

Yep, me too - like if this guy had internet:


57 posted on 12/07/2011 5:29:03 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma; Quix

Yeah it’s nice to have a clue who’s posting. lol


58 posted on 12/07/2011 6:13:38 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: Quix

Why, thank you. No one has every complimented me on dodging before.


59 posted on 12/07/2011 6:15:51 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: D-fendr
Yep, me too - like if this guy had internet:

I wonder if he sees aliens, too.

60 posted on 12/07/2011 6:45:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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