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Queen's Role as Head of Church of England 'May No Longer Be Appropriate'
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/6/11 | Rowena Mason

Posted on 12/10/2011 12:36:57 PM PST by marshmallow

The Queen’s role as head of the Church of England may no longer be “appropriate” following changes to the law of succession, a group of MPs has suggested.

Reforms agreed earlier this year by Commonwealth countries would create a potential conflict of interest because they allow a monarch to marry a Roman Catholic, said a parliamentary committee.

It said that if a future heir to the throne were raised as a Catholic, there would be an “obvious difficulty” in that person becoming head of the Anglican Church on their succession.

Under current laws, the Queen is required to “join in communion” with the Church of England and take on the role of Supreme Governor, promoting Anglicanism in Britain.

The report, by the political and constitutional reform committee, said: “The scenario does beg the question of whether it remains appropriate for the monarch to be required to be in communion with the Church of England.

“The most obvious difficulty in having a Catholic monarch – beyond the purely statutory obstacles – is the Crown’s role as supreme governor of the Church of England.” The MPs said that Parliament “may wish to consider” the current relationship between the monarch and the Church of England.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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1 posted on 12/10/2011 12:36:59 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

With all the real problems England has and they’re worried about this? Come on. Henry VIII made up the position so he could divorce, marry and behead as many wives as he wished. Henry was still Catholic afterward, not Protestant.


2 posted on 12/10/2011 12:44:47 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: bgill

At this point they should abolish the royalty and the CoE in one fell swoop


3 posted on 12/10/2011 12:46:46 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: marshmallow
A creditable case can be made that the Renaissance came to an end -- and the Modern Age began -- as the Protestant Reformation made alterations in societies and government across Europe.

You can say good things about the Modern Age, and you can say bad things about the Modern Age.

What we see now (in a great many respects) is the closing of the Modern Age -- and with that will come a whole new series of alterations in societies and government across Europe and the world.

4 posted on 12/10/2011 12:49:21 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: GeronL
"At this point they should abolish the royalty and the CoE in one fell swoop."

Not to be rude, but what a foolish, ignorant statement.

The Church of England, like it or not, is England's largest bastion of Christianity left. Probably 1/3 of Church goers in England--and that would be CoE Church goers, are evangelical--in a society where less than 5% attend church. The CoE, as flawed as it is....(and yes, it is very flawed) is the "last best hope" for England.

Now, if by abolishing the CoE you mean, dis-establishment...that may well be a good thing. Part of the reason the CoE is as feckless as it is, is the Archbishop of Canterbury is appointed by Parliment...hence is a political appointment. This makes for the appointment of other bishops as well political...and vast amounts of political correctness ensue (very politely, of course).

As to abolishing the royalty--my ancestors saw to that here 230 years ago...

5 posted on 12/10/2011 1:00:37 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

I mean that the CoE should not be a government owned and run “church”


6 posted on 12/10/2011 1:03:59 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AnalogReigns

“As to abolishing the royalty—my ancestors saw to that here 230 years ago...”

And the pomp and circumstance that surrounds the President, indicates that you and yours have been regretting that ever since.


7 posted on 12/10/2011 1:04:05 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: marshmallow

Amazing the Brits obsession with Monarchy..

But really Monarch and Democracy are BOTH MOB RULE by mobsters..

The Brits have never known anything but Mob Rule by mobsters.. they know no better..
Same with the Canadians.. Irish, Welch, and Scots..


8 posted on 12/10/2011 1:06:25 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: AnalogReigns

I’d rather restore the monarchy that Parliament ousted in the first place.

The current policy is an antiquated relic of a byegone age. By all rights, the current ruler should be the Jacobite pretender.


9 posted on 12/10/2011 1:06:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: marshmallow; lilyramone; crusadersoldier; Ellzeena; Anvilhead; stonehouse01; Goreknowshowtocheat; ..
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10 posted on 12/10/2011 1:22:12 PM PST by narses
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To: BenKenobi

“By all rights, the current ruler should be the Jacobite pretender.”
Why would we want that dithering, effeminate, creation in charge?
He had his chance and blew it.
As for Charles 1st, well he was what obama would like to be!

Thanks all the same, but Elisabeth is fine for now.


11 posted on 12/10/2011 1:26:11 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day. +Merry Christmas to ALL FReepers.)
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To: narses

Invite a little Protestant bashing. That will make the season bright.


12 posted on 12/10/2011 1:33:38 PM PST by DManA
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To: moose07

“Why would we want that dithering, effeminate, creation in charge?”

As opposed to devastatingly handsome and virile Prince of Wales.

“He had his chance and blew it.”

Which is why the descendents of Queen Anne thrived? Oh wait. That’s not what the Act of Settlement is all about.

Sophie is well down the list of the legitimate claimants to the throne of England. Not only are the Jabobites ahead of them, but so are most of the heirs of the Princess of the Palatinate.

“Thanks all the same, but Elisabeth is fine for now.”

Her entire claim to the throne is by the Act of Settlement. If that goes away than so does her claim to the throne.


13 posted on 12/10/2011 1:39:06 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: moose07

http://www.jacobite.ca/kings/sophie.htm

Here’s Prince Alois, and Princess Sophie. Her son Joseph would be the next in line to the Jacobite succession.


14 posted on 12/10/2011 1:43:08 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: moose07

The current heir, Franz, prince of Bavaria is a holocaust survivor. He survived Dachau, where he was imprisoned by Nazi Germany.


15 posted on 12/10/2011 1:52:15 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: marshmallow

It’s already happening in my opinion.


16 posted on 12/10/2011 1:55:36 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BenKenobi

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds as time goes by.
All of this would have to be signed by Elisabeth.
The best solution would be to separate the Monarch from the church, then the problem would be solved, no?


17 posted on 12/10/2011 2:01:01 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day. +Merry Christmas to ALL FReepers.)
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To: BenKenobi

On the photo opportunity side of things, I have to agree with you there!


18 posted on 12/10/2011 2:06:01 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day. +Merry Christmas to ALL FReepers.)
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To: Salvation
I foresee many of the Royal Family Reconverting to Catholicism in our lifetimes, or many in the Church of England doing so, the Anglican Church has “Progressed” enough that people no longer wish to be apart of it.
19 posted on 12/10/2011 2:10:36 PM PST by KC_Lion (I won't vote for a Pseudo Democrat Like I did in '08, I will write in Sarah's name if I have too!)
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To: moose07

It’s all tied together unfortunately. The Act of Settlement barred Catholics from inheriting. That’s why so many others were passed over in favor of Sophia, the electress of Hanover.

It doesn’t make sense to remove the prohibition and retain the present monarch.


20 posted on 12/10/2011 2:24:21 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

A hole string of interesting possibilities come out of this, History related.
Thanks Ben, As interesting as always.

Regards


21 posted on 12/10/2011 2:34:00 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day. +Merry Christmas to ALL FReepers.)
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To: moose07

Exciting times we live in. :)

Blessings to you and yours.


22 posted on 12/10/2011 2:57:13 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: All

There’s several Catholic royals.

Princess Diana’s mother was a practicing Catholic.

Her brother made a very Catholic-looking sign of the cross at the procession carrying her bier to the funeral.

Rumor has it that Diana was planning to marry Dodi Fayed in a Catholic church.


23 posted on 12/10/2011 3:08:32 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

Are you saying Dodi Fayed was converting from Muslim to Catholic? There are some people around who would be willing to kill a guy for doing that. I’m just saying.


24 posted on 12/10/2011 3:35:37 PM PST by DManA
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To: bgill
Henry VIII made up the position so he could divorce, marry and behead as many wives as he wished.

If it's good enough for the King of England, it's good enough for me. Lol.

25 posted on 12/10/2011 3:42:43 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: GeronL

The republic is hardly any worse than a monarchy. It’s just as corrupt and moribund.

Having a monarch wouldn’t be much worse than the system we already have.


26 posted on 12/10/2011 7:49:39 PM PST by rzman21
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To: moose07

Now the Catholic Church can demand its churches back.


27 posted on 12/10/2011 7:50:55 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

The only problem with that is that a large proportion of the remaining small churches where build after QE1 and so are not theirs. Those that would qualify would need extensive restoration.
The large Cathedrals have been totally “redecorated” during the Civil war and would cost a fortune to restore to there former glory.
The monasteries would be an even greater problem as most are now part of the construction materials of the surrounding villages.
To be honest there are sufficient new Catholic Churches around the country, because of the break-up, built over the last two hundred years not to worry about the old crumbling expensive to maintain buildings.
However that could be an interesting situation to watch.


28 posted on 12/10/2011 8:44:10 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day. +Merry Christmas to ALL FReepers.)
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To: DManA

According to the rumor, Dodi was a non-practicing Muslim.


29 posted on 12/10/2011 9:45:52 PM PST by Liz
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To: marshmallow

good. Let the queen become Catholic. Of course, Princess Anne would be Presbyterian Church of Scotland and Prince Charles would become Moslem.


30 posted on 12/11/2011 10:29:12 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: GeronL
if they abolish the crown, that will eliminate a lot of tourist dollars

also, it will cause a lot of political tension as technically the Queen is not only Queen of England-Scotland-Wales-northern Ireland but also of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc.

And the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are only joined by the Crown -- what happens to them?

31 posted on 12/11/2011 10:31:11 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: ClearCase_guy
not really. The Modern age began in the mid 1700s with the Industrial Revolution in the triangle that is formed between London, Paris and Amsterdam --> Anglican, Catholic and Calvinist

Catholic France, Bavaria (Remember Rudolf Diesel was Catholic.

The Modern Age was more due to Gutenberg's press (and incidently Gutenberg was Catholic ) in the 1400s than to the Protesters in the late 1500s.

the Protestant revolution in Germany led to the creation of Calvinist Prussia -- and its militaristic motto.

This Prussian motto is what conquered the Germans and gave ALL Germans the false stereotype we know them by and which caused WWI and WWII.

so if you mean those profound changes, ok. Also in Scandanavia, there were no profound changes, the monarchy remained and inthe UK despite Cromwell trying to found his own dynasty, the English brought back Charles II and it was only during the George years and accelerated during the Victorian years when the kings did not speak English or spend much time in England (George I and II) or the queen was in mourning for Prince Albert, THOSE were the times when England created the parliamentary system we know today

32 posted on 12/11/2011 10:38:34 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: AnalogReigns
note that (from wikipedia) -- The Tearfund Survey in 2007 found that only 7% of the population considered themselves as practising Christians

Ten per cent attend church weekly and two-thirds had not gone to church in the past year

A December 2007 report by Christian Research showed that Roman Catholicism had become the best-attended services of Christian denominations in England, with average attendance at Sunday Mass of 861,000, compared to 852,000 attending Anglican services

33 posted on 12/11/2011 10:42:19 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: DManA
This article is hardly bad mouthing Anglicans leave alone the various other non-Catholic groups. It makes sense that the Queen who is right now the head of the CoE in England, the CoI in Northern Ireland and the Church of Scotland in Scotland, cannot be a practising Catholic and be at the same time a Presbyterian in Scotland, an Anglican in England etc. Some solution needs to be made -- disestablishmentarianism is the solution.

But that will not stop the CoE's decline which is already, sadly, terminal.

34 posted on 12/11/2011 10:46:19 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: BenKenobi; moose07

there is no real Jacobite successor left — none has claimed the throne since the early 1800s — some supporters of Victor Emmanuel III did, but I don’t think he himself claimed it. There is no heir/point today.


35 posted on 12/11/2011 10:48:52 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Liz

to my knowledge Princess Di’s mother became Catholic after her divorce from Princess Di’s father. Don’t know about the brother or about Dodi


36 posted on 12/11/2011 10:50:08 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: moose07

the sad thing is that some of the greatest places of English history are gone — the Abbey where St. Augustine came to Kent is now in ruins. I used to be a member of the British Historical society and it was a tragedy to me that so few visited it — even in the historical sense it is important to England.


37 posted on 12/11/2011 10:52:37 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos

Yes, Di’s mom was a convert.

I think her brother’s sign of the cross was a slap at the royal in-laws who he hated with a passion b/c of their treatment of Diana.

BTW, last I heard, the Anglican Church was attempting to reach rapproachement with the Varican-—and had, in fact, reached some sort of agreement.


38 posted on 12/12/2011 1:30:50 AM PST by Liz
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To: BenKenobi
The current heir, Franz, prince of Bavaria is a holocaust survivor.

He was imprisoned for political reasons. Dachau was a brutal,murderous place, but it was not part of the "holocaust". Jews slated for extermination were usually shipped to death camps in Poland.

39 posted on 12/12/2011 7:34:01 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: GeronL
The established church in England isn't much, but it does provide some worthwhile social glue, and a cultural connection with the ancient, apostolic Church.

At this point they should abolish the royalty

Monarchy is an entirely natural and human form of government. The rationalist hostility to it has almost always been driven by demogogues wishing to control nations by stripping them of their historical and cultural identity.

No Christian can be opposed to monarchy as a principle.

40 posted on 12/12/2011 7:39:20 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Romulus

Last I checked Catholics were also targetted in the Holocaust. Yes, he’s very much a holocaust survivor.


41 posted on 12/12/2011 10:24:12 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

Even if you want to argue that non-Jews murdered in Nazi camps are Holocaust victims (I think that dilutes the term “holocaust” to the point of meaninglessness), the fact remains that distinguished royal prisoners held at Dachau were not put down for murder, and were exempt from the murderous discipline and work routines that systematically drained the life out of so many Catholic priests, communists, homosexuals, Protestant clergy, and other dissidents.


42 posted on 12/12/2011 10:47:47 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Cronos

Well, here’s the lineage:

1. Charles I King of England
a) Charles II King of England
b) James II and VII King of England
I. James Francis Edward Stuart (James III and VIII)
A. Charles Edward Stuart {Charles III)
B. Henry Benedict Stuart (Henry IX)
II. Mary of England [Mary II Queen of England]
III. Anne of England [Anne Queen of England]
c) Henry Stuart Duke of Gloucester *died*
d) Mary Princess Royal and Princess of Orange
I. William Prince of Orange [William III of England]
e) Elizabeth Stuart Princess of England *died*
f) Anne Stuart Princess of England *died*
g) Henrietta Stuart Duchess of Orleans
I. Marie Louise of Orleans Queen of Spain *died*
II. Anne Marie of Orleans Queen of Sardinia
A. Victor Amadeus Prince of Peidmont *died*
B. Charles Emmanuel III King of Sardinia
1. Victor III of Savoy
e) Charles Emmanuel IV (Charles IV of England)
f) Victor Emmanuel I (Victor I of England)
I. Maria Beatrice of Savoy (Mary III)
A. Francis V Duke of Modena (Francis I)
B. Archduke Ferdinand of Austria *died*
1. Maria Theresia of Austria (Mary IV)
e)Rupprecht Crown Prince of Bavaria
I. Albrecht Duke of Bavaria
A. Franz Duke of Bavaria
B. Max Duke in Bavaria
1. Sophie Princess of Liechtenstein
e) Prince Joseph Wenzel.

The interesting thing is that if you skip Maria Theresia, you end up with the Carlist, (Don Carlos), who is also the claimant to the French and Spanish thrones.


43 posted on 12/12/2011 11:01:27 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Romulus

You are aware the Nazi regime hated the monarchy?


44 posted on 12/12/2011 11:03:52 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

The Nazis sure seemed to like King Edward, and apparently the feeling was mutual.


45 posted on 12/12/2011 11:06:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Considering as he abdicated, one can perhaps see why. He didn’t care much for his heritage or his responsibilities so he fit in perfect with the Nazis.


46 posted on 12/12/2011 11:11:41 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

I thought I had made that clear. But top-tier members of the nobility received special handling, even in the camps. The Nazis didn’t want to pay the political price that would have come with liquidating them, and highly influential and promient aristocrats continued to live and work on the “outside” throughout most of the war.


47 posted on 12/12/2011 11:21:28 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Romulus

Better that they were sent to the camps rather than collaborating, as Edward did. Makes all the difference in my mind.


48 posted on 12/12/2011 11:40:42 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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