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Philanthropists eye LDS model of self-reliance
Deseret News ^ | December 1, 2011 | Elizabeth Stuart

Posted on 12/12/2011 7:26:49 AM PST by Saundra Duffy

They may seem drastically different: a nonprofit that helps children build lemonade stands, an organization that encourages character building through sports and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But they all have the same underlying goal: to promote economic self-reliance.

The LDS Church Thursday was the last stop on a nationwide tour highlighting best practices in economic self-reliance. During a two day conference sponsored by The Philanthropy Roundtable, representatives from charitable foundations across the country took a tour through Welfare Square, the LDS Humanitarian Center and the Bishop's Central Storehouse.

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KEYWORDS: lds; mormon; philanthropy; prepperping; selfreliance; survivalping
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No doubt the anti Mormons here on FR (and they are legion) will find something in this story to criticize. However, those with open minds and open hearts may be interested.
1 posted on 12/12/2011 7:27:03 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Kartographer

Ping.


2 posted on 12/12/2011 7:29:10 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

More from the article:

“’We came to Utah to see Welfare Square because it is one of the nation’s greatest models of cultivating self-reliance, not only for members of the Mormon faith but for people of all backgrounds,’ said Shannon Toronto, COO of The Philanthropy Roundtable, a national network of individual donors, corporate giving officers and foundation trustees.

Previous stops on The Philanthropy Roundtable’s economic opportunity tour included Lemonade Day in Houston, which teaches children business skills, and Florida’s Positive Coaching Alliance, a nonprofit that teams up with athletic leagues to teach principles of family and community.

The Philanthropy Roundtable, which is based in Washington D.C., seeks, among other efforts, to improve charitable outcomes by educating donors, Toronto said. Economic Opportunity, as it relates to self reliance, is one of the organization’s major initiatives.”


3 posted on 12/12/2011 7:29:15 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Here’s more:

“We learned from our meeting today that the best programs recognize the dignity of the individual and that the highest quality of life is attained when a person becomes self reliant and can help others within her realm of influence,” Toronto said.


4 posted on 12/12/2011 7:30:53 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: DuncanWaring

“We want to help people help themselves,” said Terry Oakes, managing director of LDS Welfare Services. “We don’t believe in giving handouts. We believe in giving hand ups.”


5 posted on 12/12/2011 7:32:19 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Way to get things going on a Mon morn.


6 posted on 12/12/2011 7:33:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: DuncanWaring

More:

After attending the conference, Marcia Argyris, senior program officer for the California-based S.D. Bechtel, Jr. Foundation, said she has a “different impression of the Mormon Church.”

“I think this whole idea of asking what a person receiving services can give back is interesting,” she said. “Instead of just accepting something and walking away, they are working for it. I think that’s very important.”

Stan Swim, who attended the conference, said his organization the GFC Foundation in Pleasant Grove favors programs that support self-reliance when doling out money.

“We have a responsibility to care for the poor,” he said. “We are trying to do it in a way that rebuilds people.”


7 posted on 12/12/2011 7:35:47 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: stuartcr

A good way to start the week.


8 posted on 12/12/2011 7:37:33 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Seriously Sandy, you post an article and then become the first post attacking people before anyone has been posted. There are NO anti-mormons on FR, it has been established you have either refused or are unable to provide any evidence to your claim. There are however many people who are opposed to and expose mormonISM on FR.


9 posted on 12/12/2011 7:38:08 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Good neighbors. Nice citizens. But it’s a business, not a religion.


10 posted on 12/12/2011 7:38:47 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Saundra Duffy

The AMWAY church.


11 posted on 12/12/2011 7:40:25 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Saundra Duffy

From the article: people “pay” for their food by completing a wide range of tasks ranging from canning vegetables to sorting clothes at the church’s thrift store.
Sorry Sandy, if people have to PAY then it IS NOT charity.


12 posted on 12/12/2011 7:40:30 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: blueunicorn6
If so, we could do with a lot more religions which operated in like fashion. The libtard religion, for instance, is all about extracting more money and power from their fellow Americans, even if they have to throw around the name of Jesus to do it.

Here is just one example which has lately been buying a lot of advertising here in Pennsylvania. Pastor Tracie, my rear end!

13 posted on 12/12/2011 7:44:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: svcw

oh


14 posted on 12/12/2011 7:47:09 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: svcw
You're so right. The government should be providing them with regular checks and zero work requirement. That's real charity and it works so well.

I'll bet these damn Mormons don't even provide them with methadone, liquor and morning after pills!

15 posted on 12/12/2011 7:48:42 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: svcw

Anti Mormon dog pile alert.


16 posted on 12/12/2011 7:51:47 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Thanks for posting.

Yeah, I see they are legion....


17 posted on 12/12/2011 7:54:14 AM PST by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Ok, I guess if your point had clarity it might be valuable. To compare government enslavement with a “religious” group that claims charity but requires payment, well there is a huge disconnect on your part here.


18 posted on 12/12/2011 7:58:47 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh, thank you Sandy for making my point. It has been a pleasure doing business with you.


19 posted on 12/12/2011 8:00:04 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: blueunicorn6

I think AMWAY is Reformed Dutch. Grand Rapids, you know.


20 posted on 12/12/2011 8:03:58 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: blueunicorn6

I think AMWAY is Reformed Dutch. Grand Rapids, you know.


21 posted on 12/12/2011 8:04:29 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: svcw

Hmmmm. One time when I belonged to Faith, Hope & Love Church in Issquah WA a family showed up at our church; they were homeless and living out of their car. This was a Dad, Mom & three little girls. We stupidly brought them home with us to “help” them. Oh, it became a nightmare from hell. I took the kids for medical checkup; one of the children was anemic and the Mom turned around and lost or sold her meds. I got the older girl signed up for Head Start but the Mom could not even walk her own daughter across the street to be picked up by the free van transport. Turns out both Mom and Dad were druggies and on the lamb. They use their children to exploit anyone who is stupid enough to fall for it which we were - stupid! I finally had to contact CPS., One of the girls went to one grandma; the other two went to the other grandma. Poor grandmas!!

Oh, by the way, Faith, Hope & Love church split up and the pastor made off with the “building fund” into which my husband and I had deposited $1,700.00.

I think the LDS Church has a better idea when it comes to actually helping people. Whew!!


22 posted on 12/12/2011 8:08:32 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: svcw; Saundra Duffy

“Seriously Sandy, you post an article and then become the first post attacking people before anyone has been posted.”

Maybe it’s your track record of attacking anything Mormon? Don’t be so angry that she beat you to the punch.

Once you ping the other little girls in your ‘club’, I gaurantee they will unleash their usual assault on LDS.


23 posted on 12/12/2011 8:23:18 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
So there are shysters out there everywhere, it does not mean a church body refuses to help those in need because one of those who act in need might be dishonest.
My lds aunt laid in the hospital for weeks and weeks with a brain tumor. My lds uncle had four young kids at home. Not one person came to care for the kids or clean the house or even bring food (accept a pizza for Thanksgiving), not one love offering at ward to help with the expenses (they went on to lose everything because of the medicals expenses beyond their insurance), REPEAT no one from their ward, no one from the rest of lds families, NO ONE helped them.
Oh, yes and my uncle was the bishop, you would have thought he'd be the first one they'd help.
I am sure you are now saying, “well why didn't you help”, because I didn't know. When I refused to convert to mormonISM I was shunned.
It has taken nearly 20 years to restore even minimal contact.
Charity, hardly no act of charity towards this part of my lds family.
All but one cousin left lds because of the way they were treated. This aunt and uncle dutifully remain. My uncle even sings in the MTC. The one who stayed, well her story ends in a great tragedy.
24 posted on 12/12/2011 8:26:19 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: panaxanax

Hey, sweetie it is not moromns that I oppose it is moromnISM.


25 posted on 12/12/2011 8:27:40 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: panaxanax

pssst, I don’t do pings. I leave that to others.


26 posted on 12/12/2011 8:28:58 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I don't subscribe to Mormonism, but you are a good lady and by and large they are a good people.

And I love the self-reliance and provisions-storage thing.

27 posted on 12/12/2011 8:32:40 AM PST by Lazamataz (That's all.)
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To: svcw
pssst, I don’t do pings

I love hitting it with pings.

A wise man once told me, though, "Never wrestle with a ping. You'll get dirty and the ping will enjoy it."

28 posted on 12/12/2011 8:35:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (That's all.)
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To: svcw
By jove, I think I've got it. By your definition, Habitat for Humanity isn't a real charity either because it requires the recipients to actually work on building their homes.

I guess that's totally consistent with the faction of Christianity which thinks they can believe themselves into heaven and/or thinks they are predestined and that absolutely no effort is required. That's one key reason why they harbor a special hated for Mormons and Catholics for disagreeing with this view.

Sort of like the libtards who hate conservatives who just won't recognize that they have a right to rule because they are so much smarter and more charitable than the rest of us unwashed.

Yinz not only claim the right to define who is and who is not Christian, but now yinz also claim the right to define what is and what is not charity! Silly me for not figuring this out until now.

29 posted on 12/12/2011 8:40:51 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: svcw

The whole is the sum of it’s parts.


30 posted on 12/12/2011 8:41:03 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Larry Lucido

31 posted on 12/12/2011 8:58:10 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: JoeProBono

Nah, ain’t buying soap from that guy.

Might stay in a hotel, though....

But I get to wear any underwear I want.


32 posted on 12/12/2011 9:02:16 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Saundra Duffy
Oh, by the way, Faith, Hope & Love church split up and the pastor made off with the “building fund” into which my husband and I had deposited $1,700.00.

Did you expect a return on that money? If not it was an offering to that church. I'll be that the books of that church - even in the face of its split - were far more open than the books of lds inc. How much of your tithe money has gone into the 4 BILLION dollar money pit mall in SLC? You will never know BECAUSE the church will not open its books for members to review.

Turns out both Mom and Dad were druggies and on the lamb. They use their children to exploit anyone who is stupid enough to fall for it which we were - stupid! I finally had to contact CPS.,

Are you telling us lds wouldn't report these types to CPS as well? Is that YOUR concept of a better idea?

33 posted on 12/12/2011 9:08:51 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I find it odd then that Mormon politicians are such ardent cheerleaders of the tyrannical nanny welfare state. A heck of a disconnect.


34 posted on 12/12/2011 9:11:16 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper’s Ping!


35 posted on 12/12/2011 9:12:02 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Saundra Duffy
Shallow is the PR effort here. Shannon Toronto, COO of The Philanthropy Roundtable - is mormon. Not quite the unbiased assessment of philanthropy the news article is attempting to promulgate.
36 posted on 12/12/2011 9:19:10 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Kartographer

So, what’s the word on that “feds demand customer list from LDS distribution center” rumor?


37 posted on 12/12/2011 9:21:17 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
The story was pulled at the source for cause and therefore the Free Republic thread was also pulled.
38 posted on 12/12/2011 9:24:52 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

If the OK’s pulled it, then it must have been a farce.

That rumor bothered me worse than the current folks’ propensity to restrict guns. You EXPECT them to restrict guns - when they go after food... well, we might as well consider it “on”.


39 posted on 12/12/2011 9:28:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Doesn’t work for lots of folks. While Mormons have big families and fairly aggressive proselytizing efforts, that masks the fact that they also have very large numbers of drop-outs. In fact, I’ve known 2X as many ex-Mormons as Mormons. I realize that’s anecdotal, but still....


40 posted on 12/12/2011 9:37:20 AM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: MrB

All I know is that Oath Keepers says that they followed up on the report and talked to the LDS Cannery Manager and they confirmed with him that the report was true that men saying that they where government agents questioned him about obtaining copies of their records.


41 posted on 12/12/2011 9:38:26 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Vigilanteman

No, you do not “get it”. HH is not a church group.
Charity is charity.
HH is a private non profit group, they can run their business anyway they want.
If churches/wards are offing something called charity, it is not charity if repayment is required.


42 posted on 12/12/2011 9:38:36 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: panaxanax

Why yes it is, I know this because I did well in college higher level mathematics.
However, I did not do well in interpretation of cryptic replies.


43 posted on 12/12/2011 9:42:19 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Religion Moderator

Sad comentary on how things are when such rumors can even be considered true.

But self reliant folks are now considered ‘dangerous’ and possible terrorist by their own government.


44 posted on 12/12/2011 9:43:03 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: svcw
All churches are private non profit groups. They can run their business anyway they want.

If you don't like it, don't donate to them.

Of course some of these non-profits have no problem with reaching into the taxpayer's pockets for forced donations. The Mormon church deserves credit for not being one of them.

45 posted on 12/12/2011 9:56:12 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Kartographer

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/09/1oath-keepers-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-mormon-food-storage-facility/

The cannery manager is denying that this happened.
But... of course the first thing that popped into my paranoid mind was that “someone got to him”.


46 posted on 12/12/2011 9:56:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Vigilanteman

Really?
Ok, there is no point in discussion here, if you are either unwilling or unable to know the difference between a group that is a church and a business.
Churches give charity without expectation of repayment.
Wards apparently expect repayment, well then maybe you are correct lds is a business. Sorry I miss understood your point.


48 posted on 12/12/2011 10:01:10 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“I think the LDS Church has a better idea when it comes to actually helping people. Whew!!”

It results in a better long term solution, but its not really the LDS plan although they are using it. Its Biblical.


49 posted on 12/12/2011 10:03:13 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lazamataz

Is that the post dotcom version of the story?


50 posted on 12/12/2011 10:05:30 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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