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Did the Pope (John Paul II) REALLY kiss the Koran?
Dangus -- Vanity

Posted on 12/13/2011 9:55:16 PM PST by dangus

I pray I haven't been guilty of the sin of calumny against a pope! In several Free Republic threads over the years I took as an accepted fact that the Pope kissed the Koran, and in several, commented that the Pope had erred on the side of peacemaking, by making this unscripted gesture of respect. I was surprised by finding some denials of this event.

Those who believe the Pope kissed the Koran apparently include the man who was the Patriarch of the Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic) Church at the time, Raphael Bidawid: "I renewed our invitation to the Pope because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim. At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Koran presented to him by the delegation and he kissed it as a sign of respect.

Finding that quote, originally from a reputably Catholic source, seemed to clinch the issue for me. But then I noticed something: All of the other pictures of the Koran that I found are very plainly labelled, usually in Arabic, "Koran."

All the images of the pope kissing the Koran are stills from the same image, which is in pretty poor resolution. It is clear, however, that the stylish imprint on the book, while reminiscent of the Koran, is not actually the Arabic script that appears on the Koran.

The next thing that struck me is that as I examined the "Koran" that the Pope kissed is that it looked like a binder. Sure, it's a green book with fancy caligraphy embossed on the cover, but who puts the Koran in a binder?

Sure, you THINK you see the pope kiss the Koran, but I bet you also THINK you see him do so in front of the Muslim who gave it to him. Nope. The man in the picture is a Christian. Which brings up the next question: If it was the Koran, did the Pope know this? It's common Arab protocol to kiss a gift one has received, and the Pope could easily have been simply following protocol respectfully, and not recognizing that the gift was, if it was, a Koran. Has anyone ever read anything which confirms that he Pope knowingly kissed the Koran?


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1 posted on 12/13/2011 9:55:16 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

CINO


2 posted on 12/13/2011 10:00:20 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: dangus

Oh, wow! You did some digging on this.

I want to hear from other Catholic communities, Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean, Coptic, etc.

Can they identify the object in this picture. Surely there is someone out there who knows the truth.

Someone posted to me once in a private message that a Koran would never have been green, but that other books were of a green color......

This will be fun to follow.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 10:01:48 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dangus

That looks more like a binder than a book.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 10:03:03 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: dangus

Nuff said.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 10:03:17 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: Salvation; dangus

Someone posted to me once in a private message that a Koran would never have been green, but that other books were of a green color......

- - - - —
While I’m not sure I believe this (partly because JPII was the pope when I was growing up and I always had an affinity for him)...

I DO OWN A GREEN KORAN WITH A DIFFERENT ARABIC SCRIPT.

If I can get to storage this week, I will see if I can find it and post a picture.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 10:04:08 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut

If I remember correctly they were talking about a Book of The Gospels from a mid-East Catholic Rite.

Interesting, though.

Most of the images above are gold and black, though.


7 posted on 12/13/2011 10:06:10 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: unkus

I totally agree; I mentioned that in my post. In a binder, without the Arabic word, Koran on it, and presented by a Christian delegation, it totally makes sense that he did not realize it was a Koran, if indeed it was. Gospel readings, which is what some of those who say it was not a Koran say it was, might very well be put into a binder; I can’t picture a binder of a Koran.


8 posted on 12/13/2011 10:06:38 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Thank you for posting this.


9 posted on 12/13/2011 10:07:28 PM PST by delacoert
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To: reaganaut; Salvation

Yes, you’ll notice that some of the Korans I show are green, but then they also have gold lettering.


10 posted on 12/13/2011 10:08:08 PM PST by dangus
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To: Salvation

I”m not sure about the color of other books. I found this Koran in a used bookstore many years ago and got it so I could have a copy (pre 9/11 and I was majoring in World Religions).

It is a darker green, but definitely green not black. IDR if there is gold on it or not.

I still have over 500 boxes of books in storage so it may take me awhile to find it. UGH.


11 posted on 12/13/2011 10:09:25 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: dangus

Some interpretations of prophecy indicate that Catholicism and Islam will unite to take over the world, so I can’t ignor the possibility the pope might have done this.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 10:09:41 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: dangus

the Korans also look much thicker than what Pope John Paul II has in his hands. However, the size of the paper and printing?


13 posted on 12/13/2011 10:10:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jonty30

Haven’t heard that one, but I have heard that the various Christian churches would be unified under the Pope before the Great Apostasy; it’s this unity that would attract the Jews. I’ve also heard Islam described as a a further decay of the Arian heresy, combined with some syncretism. So one might draw the syllogism that even Muslims would unify.

ALTERNATELY, I’ve read that in the rebuilt Temple, the Sabbath would be celebrated for three straight days. The Muslim Friday, Jewish Saturday and Christian Sunday?


14 posted on 12/13/2011 10:13:44 PM PST by dangus
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To: Jonty30

Some interpretations of prophecy indicate that Catholicism and Islam will unite to take over the world, so I can’t ignor the possibility the pope might have done this.


Mmmmmmmmmmm I don’t think so.


15 posted on 12/13/2011 10:14:10 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: dangus

If a pope should bring fire down from Heaven, Muslems, who put a great weight on miracles, would unite with whomever could do that.

I do need to emphasize to the Catholics on the board, this is not an attack upon devout Catholics, but there will be an apostasy within the Catholic Church that deceive the world.


16 posted on 12/13/2011 10:21:34 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: reaganaut

I have a koran. It is the same shade of green and about the same thickness. It is not as wide and tall but the font could account for this. Mine has arabic and English, but I can’t read Arabic.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 10:22:34 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: dangus
without the Arabic word, Koran on it

I don't think the picture is clear enough to be able to certainly say that.

18 posted on 12/13/2011 10:25:14 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: dangus

That photo was taken May 14, 1999 inside the Vatican.


19 posted on 12/13/2011 10:26:23 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Salvation; dangus

I have 5 Korans - 3 English (including a paperback that is only about an inch thick or less), 1 Arabic and one ‘parallel’ one (that I got because I didn’t know they existed). They all vary in color, and thickness.

On topic, do I think this is POSSIBLE? Yes. Theoretically it is possible. Do I think it likely? No, not in the least.


20 posted on 12/13/2011 10:27:40 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: dangus

But lets ignore the Arab man standing to his right.


21 posted on 12/13/2011 10:28:53 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

There are tens of millions of Arab Catholics out there, in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and dispersed throughout the West. That man is supposedly part of a delegation from the Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic) church.


22 posted on 12/13/2011 10:34:51 PM PST by dangus
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To: F15Eagle

I have a parallel Koran as well. My Arabic sucks badly. My Hebrew is pretty good, but I never really took Arabic, just toyed with it when I was trying to get into a dig in Egypt.

Do they make large print Korans? (sorry font size brought this question to mind)


23 posted on 12/13/2011 10:35:23 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: dangus

Correction: the delegation included Iraqi bankers and other Muslims, in addition to the Chaldeans.


24 posted on 12/13/2011 10:43:13 PM PST by dangus
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To: reaganaut

Dunno - looked at half-dozen before ordering one from a seller on Amazon. Muslim seller must have thought he had a potential convert. Sent me all sorts of extra material. Regarding the incident yes it happened. It was at a Syrian mosque.


25 posted on 12/13/2011 10:43:19 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

That would make it the 51st anniversary of Israel becoming a state.


26 posted on 12/13/2011 10:59:40 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: presently no screen name

Also the 51st anniversary of the Arab-Israeli War.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 11:11:58 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: dangus

I suspect it is an arabic edition Bible. Examples are here:
http://www.biblesinaction.com/shop/index.php?cPath=25


28 posted on 12/13/2011 11:23:05 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: dangus; Salvation; unkus; doc1019; reaganaut; delacoert; Jonty30; F15Eagle; BigSkyFreeper; ...
That man is supposedly part of a delegation from the Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic) church.

Yes, according to this source; http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A055rcKoran.htm
which gave the source from which they obtained it ---> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=10415

What follows is an interview. Here's the portion which has the Patriarch Raphael purportedly saying, [bolding for emphasis, selection of excerpts, mine]

Now dangus, who was it that broke you off a ration for mentioning the "kiss"? You manned up and posted a thread, a hey-I could have been wrong thread. I was glad to see it, for I had hought, after seeing someone come along and give authoritative sounding correction concerning the alleged Koran kiss, that it "wasn't the Koran" but some other, Christian work, that the whole affair may have been misconstrued.

Since the info above came from CatholicCulture.Org, it could well be accurate?

Are we missing something? Was the .Org in error, and the book in question really some other book?

Could you refer me to the post in which you were told that it was some other? I'd like to ping them to this, if they are not among those whom have posted here on this thread already.

29 posted on 12/13/2011 11:48:21 PM PST by 7MMmag (Five cents, please...and don't shoot, I'm just a piano player on the internet(s!))
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To: dangus

Actually it wasn’t even a kiss. The Pope is saying,

“Even without my glasses I can see it says, “Presented to this establishment by the Gideons” “.


30 posted on 12/13/2011 11:56:40 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: 7MMmag

You could very well be correct.


31 posted on 12/13/2011 11:57:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: count-your-change
That's hilarious. Thanks.

And it's a good time for a bit of humor. This whole kiss thing, when it first made the news, had a lot of folks hyperventilating. Here on FR, too.

32 posted on 12/14/2011 12:05:23 AM PST by 7MMmag (Five cents, please...and don't shoot, I'm just a piano player on the internet(s!))
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To: Jonty30
You could very well be correct.

I'm was just quoting from, and linking to what appeared to me to be an acceptable source, which was claiming to have a transcript from an interview with one of the participants --- the very one who gave the book to that pope.

33 posted on 12/14/2011 12:09:25 AM PST by 7MMmag (Five cents, please...and don't shoot, I'm just a piano player on the internet(s!))
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To: dangus; All
 
 

Many have wondered, why did the Pope kiss the Koran?

Is it not a book that speaks directly against the Catholic faith? Does it not reduce the Son of God to a mere prophet? Did not the popes of the past demand its burning? The answer to all these questions is YES, and yet what the Holy Father did was more complicated than what the anti-Catholic and/or sedevacantist spin-doctors might say about it.

One critic argues that it was a blasphemous act, showing his “hatred” of God and his apostate defection from the true faith. It was none of these things. The Pope is on the record about the differences between Catholics and the followers of Islam. Let us look at the situation. The Pope has longed to go to Iraq in order to walk in the footsteps of Abraham, claimed as a father in faith by Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Pope John Paul II has seen first hand the debth of man’s inhumanity to his brothers and sisters. Our history as a world is written in blood. As illustrated in his many Mea Culpas, he strives for a new understanding between peoples where dialogue, tolerance, and cooperation will replace anathemas, persecution, and rivalry. Abraham is an integral figure of unity in turning things around politically. Looking at the incident in question, the Holy Father received a delegation that included the Shiite Imam of Khadum Mosque, the Sunni President of the council that operates the Iraqi Islamic Bank, and a member of the Iraqi Ministry of Religion. The invitation of a papal visit was renewed. They even went so far as to say that it would be “a grace from heaven”. While Iraq has been guilty of real violations of human rights, this Islamic state has been the most tolerant of Christians than any of its islamic neighbors. Many Catholics hold positions in government, commerce, education, etc. The Chaldean Patriarch of Babylon (Iraq), His Beatitude Raphael I Bidawid, who was a major spokesman for the delegation. He applauded the Pope’s actions and words as a true sign of concern from the Successor of St. Peter. (Christians represent 5% of the 20 million people in Iraq. Catholics of the large Chaldean rite [implementing the Aramaic language] and of the smaller Latin rite represent 80% of all Christians there.) It was said that a papal visit would confirm the faith of Christian believers while showing forth a genuine love for all in this mostly Muslim nation.

The Koran was a gift to him from the delegation. Islamic peoples are not casual in the giving of gifts. It represents the giver. They knew perfectly well that the Pope was a Catholic Christian, but they gave to him that which was regarded as most important in their life, their own holy book. Thus, at the end of the audience, the Pope showed his deep appreciation to this intimate self-donation, by bowing and kissing the Koran as a sign of respect. Such a gesture ran totally against the grain of crusades and condemnations. It did not mean that the Pope accepted all that was in the book, only that his love for the Muslim people, and the Iraqis in particular, was genuine. He makes the first move, not in the capitulation of our faith, but in the recognition that the followers of Jesus and those who cherish Mohammed should not be engaged in name-calling, or worse, killing each other. The Pope appreciated the suffering of the Iraqi people, particularly the women and children. It showed he did not look down upon them but had a genuine respect for them within the brotherhood of man.

 

Hmm, I wonder did he give them a Bible or a book of the wriings and traditions of the Church of the Magisterium in exchange?

My God lead us all to His truths, BVB

34 posted on 12/14/2011 12:25:44 AM PST by Bobsvainbabblings (Father God, please make me a counterfeit Jesus!)
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To: dangus

According to Catholic World News, JP2 did kiss the Koran:

“At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=10415

This is one of the many reasons I am glad that the JP2 cause for sainthood seems to have hit a snag.


35 posted on 12/14/2011 12:38:18 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Hit a snag? These folks over here, at The Remnant
have a case of the hangnail over the idea.

details here;


36 posted on 12/14/2011 1:22:03 AM PST by 7MMmag (Five cents, please...and don't shoot, I'm just a piano player on the internet(s))
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To: Jonty30
Some interpretations of prophecy indicate that Catholicism and Islam will unite to take over the world, so I can’t ignor the possibility the pope might have done this.

That may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on FR.
37 posted on 12/14/2011 4:05:44 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Jonty30

You wrote:

“Some interpretations of prophecy indicate that Catholicism and Islam will unite to take over the world, so I can’t ignor the possibility the pope might have done this.”

No LEGITIMATE or VALID interpretation of prophecy indicates that Catholicism and Islam will unite to take over the world. NONE.


38 posted on 12/14/2011 4:23:45 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Be patient, my dear.

Legitimate or valid, by whose standard?

If we are really in the last days, you are going to see acts and wonders you never conceived as possibilities.


39 posted on 12/14/2011 4:31:12 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Jonty30

First I had heard of this.

What particular prophecy is so interpreted and advocated by whom?


40 posted on 12/14/2011 4:32:49 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: dangus

According to the former Chaldean Patriarch, John Paul II kissed the Qur’an. Case closed.

On May 14th I was received by the Pope, together with a delegation composed of the Shi’ite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni president of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank. There was also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion. I renewed our invitation to the Pope, because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim.

At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=10415

http://www.jimmyakin.org/2006/04/jp2_and_the_qur.html


41 posted on 12/14/2011 4:34:31 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Jonty30

What prophecy is that?


42 posted on 12/14/2011 4:37:39 AM PST by STJPII
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To: Jonty30

You wrote:

“Be patient, my dear.”

I’m not your dear, and this has nothing to do with patience.

“Legitimate or valid, by whose standard?”

By ANY reasonable standard. Anything else is quackery.

“If we are really in the last days, you are going to see acts and wonders you never conceived as possibilities.”

Not really. Those of us who know REAL prophecy will rarely be surprised. Those who live in a paranoid twilight world of modern fundamentalism will be surprised again and again - especially at their own failures.


43 posted on 12/14/2011 4:37:51 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

I think I will keep this post, so I can rub it in later, if it does happen.


44 posted on 12/14/2011 4:59:17 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Cvengr

I don’t mind saying it, as truth is truth and whatever is supposed to happen, will happen, regardless of which school of thought you belong to.

I’m a SDA and that is my church’s position.


45 posted on 12/14/2011 5:04:34 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Jonty30
The SDA church has a lot of very strange, very paranoid ideas about Catholicism. (And no, it's not a paranoia that we particularly reciprocate. I've been a Catholic for 51 years; I've yet to hear the SDA church mentioned from a Catholic pulpit.)

Some of those ideas are rather silly at this point, like EGW's claim that eeevvilll Rome is planning a vast end times persecution of everyone who worships on Saturday. Most Catholic parishes now have Sunday-anticipated Masses on Saturday night. I guess evil Rome is going to persecute ... herself?

Authentic Catholicism can "unite" with Islam only when Islam rejects their many errors. When we have an "Islam" that can say the Nicene Creed and believe it, then we can talk about "uniting" Catholicism and Islam, within one Catholic Church. Of course, they won't be Muslims anymore, when that happens.

As to what apostate Catholics may do in the future, most of them seem to obey Pope Zeitgeist. Maybe after they get bored with "ordaining" women and "marrying" homosexuals, they'll embrace Islam. Anything but actually embracing the truth ... see Lewis's Great Divorce in the scene with the Anglican prelate.

46 posted on 12/14/2011 5:37:08 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Campion

I always maintain we will all be surprised. Assuming that the SDA understanding and interpretation is correct, I will also be surprised as to how it all will play out.

I believe these things will happen, but I fully expect the manner of how it plays out will surprise everyone of us.

And as I said, it’s the devout and real Catholics that is who the Bible is condemning.

Anybody who is a real follower of God, regardless of their denominations will be called out by God just shortly before it all happens.


47 posted on 12/14/2011 5:52:07 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Jonty30

Let me correct myself quickly.

It is NOT the real and devout Catholics that the Bible condemns.

I wish Free Republic would allow us to correct posts. :)


48 posted on 12/14/2011 5:55:11 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: dangus
Those who believe the Pope kissed the Koran apparently include the man who was the Patriarch of the Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic) Church at the time, Raphael Bidawid: "I renewed our invitation to the Pope because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim. At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Koran presented to him by the delegation and he kissed it as a sign of respect. Finding that quote, originally from a reputably Catholic source, seemed to clinch the issue for me....

....Sure, you THINK you see the pope kiss the Koran, but I bet you also THINK you see him do so in front of the Muslim who gave it to him. Nope. The man in the picture is a Christian. Which brings up the next question: If it was the Koran, did the Pope know this? It's common Arab protocol to kiss a gift one has received, and the Pope could easily have been simply following protocol respectfully, and not recognizing that the gift was, if it was, a Koran. Has anyone ever read anything which confirms that he Pope knowingly kissed the Koran?

What clinches it for me is the complete silence from any source or quarter until now, that it was anything BUT a Koran. You'd think that someone in the Vatican would have made a statement at the time, to the effect that every news source on the planet had it wrong - or at least publish a different photo, one taken at the same event, that cleared it up.

Lots of speculation in the vanity, but no concrete evidence offered to the contrary. IMO this is a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Catholics.

49 posted on 12/14/2011 6:06:53 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Alex Murphy; dangus
Nah, your prior articles expose wishful thinking on the part of "we accept anything that is not Catholic" -- unitarians, jehovah's witnesses, the AM cult etc.

The man in the picture isn't a Moslem but a Christian.

The clincher is the complete silence from any source or quarter in the Islamic world to crow over this -- they would have been shouting it forever if it was a Korn. But the "anytin but Catholic" crowd can't see beyond their hatred for Christ's Church.

good job dangus

50 posted on 12/14/2011 6:20:28 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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