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Are There Devout Christians In {non Church of Christ} Denominations?
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Posted on 12/15/2011 10:14:12 AM PST by Cronos

Are There Devout Christians In Denominations?  John 10:16

     Sadly, many in our brotherhood would answer “yes” to this question.  Denominations have for years taught that it does not matter what church you attend, as long as a person is sincere and honest.  Many in the Lord’s church have swallowed this idea.  They cry long and hard that there are sincere, devout Christians in any given denomination.  It is no wonder, then, that many congregations of the Lord’s church have joined hands with denominational churches to promote or to participate in any number of things.  Of course, they consider their actions to have Biblical backing.  They proclaim the words of Jesus in defense of their endeavors: "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold” (Jn.10:16).  To them, “this fold” represents the Church of Christ (denominational concept of the Lord’s church), and the other sheep outside of “this fold” represent God’s children scattered among the denominations.  Does this interpretation have credence?  Is it the case that there are devout Christians in denominations?  The answer is no to both questions.
     The passage under consideration does not support the idea that there are devout Christians in denominations.  To the dismay of those who would espouse this soul-damning doctrine, this passage destroys their convoluted thinking.  There is no hint of such a doctrine taught in this passage, nor is it even possible that this passage could teach such.  The New Testament knows nothing of denominationalism.  In the first century, there was one church and only one church (Eph.4:4).  Although the seeds of denominationalism were being planted during the first century, these seeds did not bloom until after the close of New Testament times.  To claim that John 10:16 deals in any respect with denominationalism is to force a 21st century interpretation on a 1st century passage.
     The latter half of the verse under consideration inflicts even more damage upon the idea that there are devout Christians in denominations.  Christ proclaimed that the “other sheep” would be brought into “one fold” under the care of “one shepherd.”  This one fold is the one church!  And this one church is under the care of the Great Shepherd Jesus Christ!  Those in denominations follow the voice of Luther, or Calvin, or Wesley, or Pope John Paul II, but they are not following the voice of the Great Shepherd!  The other sheep to whom Jesus was referring were the Gentiles.  Though there were some Gentiles who sought God, and anticipated the coming of the Messiah, the Jews and Gentiles remained separated.  Through Christ’s death, he would bring both Jew and Gentile together in one body, one fold (Eph.2:14)!  The Lord’s church today is a fulfillment of John 10:16—both Jew and Gentile in one body under the care of the Great Shepherd.
     Are there devout Christians in denominations?  No.  Are there children of God in denominations?  Yes, but only because they chose to leave the safety of the one fold, the Lord’s church, to follow the doctrines and commandments of men.  Those who have done so must repent and return to the church of our Lord before it is eternally too late!        PM


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interesting take from the CoC -- does anyone know about this religious group?
1 posted on 12/15/2011 10:14:17 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Bookmark


2 posted on 12/15/2011 10:18:39 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: Cronos

They are a ‘restorationist’ group - like the Mormons, SDA’S, JW’s, etc. Most of their teaching come from Alexander Campbell and one of the main players in the development of LDS theology was a Campbellite minister (Rigdon) before joining the LDS.

Like all Restorationist movements they believe all other churches are in error. That there was a great apostasy and that the denomination Christ founded needed to be restored.

http://www.therestorationmovement.com/


3 posted on 12/15/2011 10:21:34 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Cronos

So we should all join the Orthodox church?

I think the writer of this article is missing something somewhere.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 10:21:34 AM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Cronos

Why the fixation on the purity or otherwise of others?


5 posted on 12/15/2011 10:22:03 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Cronos
Are there devout Christians in denominations? No. Are there children of God in denominations? Yes, but only because they chose to leave the safety of the one fold, the Lord’s church, to follow the doctrines and commandments of men. Those who have done so must repent and return to the church of our Lord before it is eternally too late!

Biblically and doctrinally quite correct.

The question then becomes, of course, one of which group that claims to be "the Lord’s church" actually is. If any.

The truth of this question is not immediately apparent to an unbiased observer. :)

6 posted on 12/15/2011 10:22:24 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: reaganaut
Like all Restorationist movements they believe all other churches are in error. That there was a great apostasy and that the denomination Christ founded needed to be restored.

Pretty much the theory behind the original Protestants, FTM.

7 posted on 12/15/2011 10:25:09 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Conan the Librarian

http://issuesetc.org/2011/12/14/the-beliefs-and-practices-of-the-campbellite-church-of-christ-with-pr-keith-schweitzter-12142011/


8 posted on 12/15/2011 10:28:39 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Sherman Logan

Not really. Luther and others set out to REFORM, not restore. Also, all of them accepted the place of Catholicism in the history of Christianity and while several (particularly Zwingli) sought a return to the Early Church, NONE of them believe that Christ set up a specific denomination that needed a full ‘restoration’.

Restoration groups have several things in common, all of which are outside protestantism. I can give you more detail if you like (its a current research topic of mine).


9 posted on 12/15/2011 10:29:30 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Sherman Logan

Biblically and doctrinally quite correct.

- - - -
No it isn’t, but since you are Catholic I can see how you would see it that way.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 10:32:40 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Cronos

From my experience with them, they’re always willing to discuss their beliefs over an open Bible...NOT (as some would have you believe) appealing to the teachings of Alexander Campbell or any other fallible man, NOR appealing to extrabiblical “revelations” a la Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.

They’re reminiscent of the Bereans, “who searched the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so,” and following what they find therein.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 10:34:13 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: reaganaut

ah — interesting. Each has a different idea of when the “Great Apostasy” happened. The CoC as per that link says that it occured in 550 AD while the Mormons push it back to 33 AD


12 posted on 12/15/2011 10:35:16 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos

They are nutters.

And they have spawned a rather pernicious cult - the International Church of Christ. (Who are really, really the “only right way”.)


13 posted on 12/15/2011 10:36:11 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Conan the Librarian

The key to the article is the word “denomination”

denomination
late 14c., “a naming, act of giving a name to,” from O.Fr. denominacion “nominating, naming,” from L. denominationem (nom. denominatio) “a calling by anything other than the proper name, metonymy,” from denominare “to name,” from de- “completely” (see de-) + nominare “to name” (see nominate). Meaning “a class” is from mid-15c. Monetary sense is 1650s; meaning “religious sect” is 1716.

The basic tenet of Church of Christ congregations (there is no earthly ruling body above those listed in the New Testament - Elders 1 Timothy 3 ) is that the New Testament is complete and unalterable being the final word to man until the Christ returns.

Hope that helps some.


14 posted on 12/15/2011 10:36:15 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: reaganaut

Sir, unlike the followers of Joseph Smiths movement the Church of Christ only uses the Bible.

As to believing all were in apostasy, that is also not as I understand the Church of Christ view, as the Church was made by Christ and would be extant till his return.


15 posted on 12/15/2011 10:40:15 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Sherman Logan
Biblically and doctrinally quite correct.

Actually no. It is God that takes, makes and plants believers in the Body of Christ. It is He that saves, perseveres and preserves them. He has taken them from the dead from every tongue, tribe and nation for His own purposes and given them Faith.

It is not up to man and your salvation is not defined by what earthly church you attend, but by His work and Faith which He has planted in folks like us.

If Salvation is determined by man, man can undo it just that fast and upon a whim. No one would be saved. But thank God, Salvation is by God just as Jonah said "Salvation is of the Lord" - not man.

16 posted on 12/15/2011 10:41:12 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402

But what about all those discussions by Paul of how Christians should be of one mind and expel from their midst those advocating false doctrines?

If Christians are to implement these scriptural instructions, they can’t be believing a whole bunch of different things.

All denominations can be wrong, but they most certainly can’t all be right.


17 posted on 12/15/2011 10:44:39 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Cronos

I have studied this group for 20+ years and there is currently a large gap developing between 2 distinct groups. One group follows the teachings of Memphis School of Preaching the other group holds no allegiance to any institution. The MSOP followers seem to believe in a theocratic oligarchy from which the congregants must adhere to all teachings that their “elders” subscribe to. 3 teachings are that elders choose other elders, binding the use of the king james version and that the Holy spirit dwells within the words of the bible ONLY. They are militant against other churches of Christ that don’t subscribe to these tenets. These churches are more tradition based than bible based. The other type congregations loosely called “autonomous” tend to be more open towards their community and are not nearly “orthodox”, just simply want to worship God as prescribed in the Bible.They believe that the church was “simple” when established and should remain “simple”.


18 posted on 12/15/2011 10:45:22 AM PST by inkdude
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To: Cronos

I’m a Baptist, but ... I have lots of Church of Christ friends and others.

There will not be Baptists, Methodists, Church of Christ, Catholic etc in heaven. That will not be important. There will only be Christians and Jews.

I do not want to argue about the Jews statement with anyone.


19 posted on 12/15/2011 10:46:07 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Cronos

Exactly. There are other common characteristics, most have some sort of prophet or revelation and extra scripture (even if they don’t call it that), most have ways that the ‘proper authority’ was ‘restored’ to only their founder, and all are pretty much exclusivists (only their group goes to Heaven). Mormonism is unique in that it is, at the same time, both exclusivist and universalist.

I am just starting a research project on the Campbell and the rise of restoration movements in the 19th century US.

Something that intrigues me is that at least 3 of these groups (LDS, JW, SDA) were founded in NY within about 60 years and 100 miles of each other.


20 posted on 12/15/2011 10:46:37 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Bidimus1

It’s ma’am.

And I never said they appealed to extra scripture, however they do have their basis in Campbell’s teachings and his interpretation of the Bible.

I have had several CoC members in my research tell me about the apostasy.


21 posted on 12/15/2011 10:50:41 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut
Also, all of them accepted the place of Catholicism in the history of Christianity and while several (particularly Zwingli) sought a return to the Early Church, NONE of them believe that Christ set up a specific denomination that needed a full ‘restoration’.

A true straw man argument.

Each of these groups (Protestants, Mormons, JWs, etc.) that claims the others have "fallen away" from Christ's original teachings believes that theirs is the only true way. They do not believe their's is the only true denomination, they believe that Christ set up one true Church, and their's is it.

22 posted on 12/15/2011 10:50:46 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: reaganaut

Just curious. What makes you think I’m Catholic?


23 posted on 12/15/2011 10:52:10 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Cronos

I guess this thread is a sign that we have run out of steam for the “Newt Gingrich sucks” threads? It’s about time.


24 posted on 12/15/2011 10:56:10 AM PST by pie_eater
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To: Sherman Logan

Each of these groups (Protestants, Mormons, JWs, etc.) that claims the others have “fallen away” from Christ’s original teachings believes that theirs is the only true way. They do not believe their’s is the only true denomination, they believe that Christ set up one true Church, and their’s is it.

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You obviously do not know much about Protestantism. First of all, Mormons and JW’s are not protestants (by their own admission) - also by the Catholic church’s admission and all protestant churches admission.

Secondly, no protestant church believes it is the ‘only true church’. Sorry. Early protestant leaders saw the Catholic church having fallen away from its earlier teachings, but not that a restoration was needed (as if it never held truth) but that a reformation (a return to the church of Late Antiquity) was required. Most of this had to do with serious ecclesiastical issues like simony, indulgences, and political conflicts.

However, I am seeing that you don’t really want to discuss this, your general hatred for protestants (which even the Catholic church doesn’t have) is showing.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 10:57:22 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Cronos
Here's a tip:


26 posted on 12/15/2011 10:58:52 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Sherman Logan

Your comments give you away.


27 posted on 12/15/2011 10:59:17 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Cronos
interesting take from the CoC -- does anyone know about this religious group?

Issues, Etc. yesterday interviewed someone on that group. (I'm not seeing it in the list yet, or I'd link directly.)

28 posted on 12/15/2011 11:01:18 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("Do not feed the Harpies")
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To: reaganaut
Something that intrigues me is that at least 3 of these groups (LDS, JW, SDA) were founded in NY within about 60 years and 100 miles of each other.

I seem to recall someone calling that area "burned over district" - I think from the fact of previous religious awakenings. Have you seen reference to that?

29 posted on 12/15/2011 11:02:42 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: reaganaut

With all due respect, you don’t know what you are talking about. I was (past tense) a member of the churches of Christ for over 30 years. I have a BA degree in Bible from one of their universities. I was a pastor/elder for 9 years.

I had been a devout Christian for quite a long time before I had ever heard of Campbell. Or any other leaders of the Restoration movement. If you think for a minute that mainstream churches of Christ preach or teach Campbell, you are profoundly misinformed.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 11:03:24 AM PST by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail, but not this day.)
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To: Lucas McCain

Which ‘church of Christ’ are you talking about? There are at least 13 different groups using that name.

I am referring to the one in this article (and the breakoffs of their group).

Are you really saying that CoC doesn’t believe what is posted here?

Just because they don’t talk about Campbell, doesn’t mean that they don’t base their teachings on his.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 11:06:33 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Conan the Librarian

I agree. I am reminded of the time when Jesus said something to the effect those that are not against Me are with me.
And elsewhere the question is put using example of body partsi.e. the hand speaking to the foot. Given time I could compile a list of verses that seem to contradict the apparent message. I am not convinced that sects—or denominations are in and of themself either good or bad.I recall certain Catholics claiming non-Catholic Christians are almost saved.
I am somewhat familiar with the church of Christ— and Alexander Campbell-but find the comment there is much apostasy in that sect somewhat offensive for I find apostacy a subjective and wide spread affect -leven that appears in every denomination/congregation known to man.
didn’t Jesus tell one seeking Him “why do you call Me good?
There is none good save the Father.I cannot compare the church of Christ in doctrine to the Mormon church.I just cannot.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 11:07:45 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: don-o

“burned over district” - yeah, references are few outside of Mormonism but it does appear that there was an area in New England that had so many revivals that it cause confusion among the laity (mostly illiterate).

There is at least one book I know of on the topic, but I haven’t gotten a copy yet.


33 posted on 12/15/2011 11:08:05 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Cronos
What a bunch of CRAP. Who appointed the CoC the one & only true church? The two pens were Jews & Gentiles not Baptists and CoCs. 1. Jews and 2. EVERYONE else. Unless all CoCs are Jews they are part of the Gentiles group that they so disdain.
34 posted on 12/15/2011 11:16:53 AM PST by faucetman
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To: reaganaut

You are quite mistaken.

I have been accused of many thing in my time, but never of being Catholic.


35 posted on 12/15/2011 11:17:05 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
But what about all those discussions by Paul of how Christians should be of one mind and expel from their midst those advocating false doctrines?

The subject here is whether being in the wrong church or denomination will exclude you from heaven. This presupposes that it is the Believers 'choice' that matters.

As is typical of this thinking, man's 'choice' is revered and what God has done and is doing, is suppressed.

False Doctrines and the 'wolves in sheep's clothing' must be expelled. There is real Faith and good doctrine and there is the fake and the false.

Of 'One mind' must be the essentials In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.

It is a good saying.

36 posted on 12/15/2011 11:18:17 AM PST by sr4402
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To: reaganaut

This isn’t the denomination, “Church of Christ”, as in no instruments in worship?


37 posted on 12/15/2011 11:24:19 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Cronos

Church of Christ:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Church%20of%20Christ/church_of_christ_heresies.htm


38 posted on 12/15/2011 11:26:08 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: reaganaut
Just because they don’t talk about Campbell, doesn’t mean that they don’t base their teachings on his.

Well unless you're suggesting that the Bible was written by Alexander Campbell, I don't know why you'd make such a claim. ;-)

As I said earlier, in my experience with them they appeal only to the Bible for instruction. The OP is a case in point: The author explains what he believes the Bible to be teaching, and provides citations so we can all "search the Scriptures...to see whether these things are so." I didn't see any quotes from Campbell - or Luther or Wesley or any other fallible man, for that matter.

Looks to me like you're misrepresenting these folks. I hope that's not intentional.
39 posted on 12/15/2011 11:26:17 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: reaganaut

“Secondly, no protestant church believes it is the ‘only true church’.”

I wish that were true; however, many Texas Southern Baptists have been taught from the pulpit that if you’re not SB you’re going to hell. C of C’ers believe if you’re not C of C, you’re going to hell. Wisconsin Synod Lutherans believe if you’re not WSL, you’re going to hell.


40 posted on 12/15/2011 11:30:16 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: reaganaut
Mormons and JW’s are not protestants

I quite agree, which is why I listed the three groups separately.

Secondly, no protestant church believes it is the ‘only true church’.

I presume whichever Church I came up with that believes exactly this, you would pull the "no true Scotsman" bit and claim they aren't really Protestant.

There are thousands of "Protestant" groups around the world, and you can confidently state that not one of them believes it is the only true Church? You must really get around.

not that a restoration was needed (as if it never held truth) but that a reformation (a return to the church of Late Antiquity) was required.

Restoration: restoring of something to former condition: the restoring of something such as buildings or furniture to an earlier and usually better condition.

I don't think the word "restoration" means what you think it means. Here's a link I found in just a few minutes of a Protestant who seems to think the Reformation "restored" the church to its original purity.

http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/10/the_story_of_martin_luther_the.php

In secular terms, I think restoring our Constitution to its original place in our society would constitute both a reformation and a restoration.

IOW, one of the ways something can be reformed is to restore it to a prior and more desirable state.

BTW, I bear no hostility to either Protestants or Catholics (or Mormons or JWs) for that matter.

41 posted on 12/15/2011 11:32:50 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: reaganaut

The fellowship commonly known as churches of Christ has no organizational structure higher/beyond the local congregation. Each congregation is autonomous. Because of that, “movements” can arise within the broader fellowship with varying ideas and practices, even though the sign outside the building says “So-and-So Church of Christ.”

Suffice it to say that all of the congregations that I have been a member of during the previously mentioned 30 years are listed in the “World Wide Directory of Churches of Christ” — http://church-of-christ.org/churches/.

I have been deeply involved in congregations in Texas, Florida, Australia, and Africa. I studied full time for 2 years in one of their schools of preaching, and later earned a BA from one of their universities.

I don’t mean to sound rude, but simply by stating that “There are at least 13 different groups using that name” displays your ignorance. It all depends on how you classify. In one sense there are thousands of “groups” because each congregation is autonomous. There are even disagreements within the same building.

I have argued with brethren, for example, on whether it is acceptable to eat in the church building. These “antis” comprise a minority but significant swath of churches of Christ but are themselves diverse in there positions. There are many congregations that use instrumental music, for example, although most don’t. The varieties are not 13, but endless.

I suspect that the only thing they mostly agree on is the irrelevance of Alexander Campbell.


42 posted on 12/15/2011 11:37:20 AM PST by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail, but not this day.)
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To: Cronos

It grieves me to see people who try to limit God’s impact to their own clique. People who have the Holy Spirit can sometimes sense others who are brothers/sisters in the same Spirit. I am in a non-denominational church but I am certain the Spirit has told me that others are committed and believing Christians who also happen to be Baptists, Catholics, Pentecostals, Church of Christ and other.

It’s not what’s in the church. It’s what’s in the believer. Jesus knows His own and I would never limit Jesus to only one denomination. HIS denomination is those who accept HIM as their personal savior and ask the Holy Spirit to live within them. I don’t think He cares which pew you sit in.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 11:37:50 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Cronos

***Are there devout Christians in denominations? No. Are there children of God in denominations? Yes, but only because they chose to leave the safety of the one fold, the Lord’s church, to follow the doctrines and commandments of men***

What utter nonsense! Their CofC belief is that THEY are the only true church and everyone else is going to H€LL.

I went to the Mabelvale CofC for several years while living near Little Rock Arkansas bout 45 years ago.

I dated a girl there and we were about to get married but she demanded I join their church which I had no desire to do.

We broke up as a result and it caused me problems for years.

Are we about to return to the good old days of 2005-2007 when we had the CAMPBELLITE WARS here on FR? Sharpening my bible knowlege as a result!

There are several CofC Campbellite churches near here and they don’t really associate with each other too much due to legalistic differences.

Church 1. No music but does have a Sunday school class.
Church 2. Has music and Sunday school class, shunned by the others.
Church 3. No music, no Sunday school class, NO church kitchen!
Church 4. No mucic, no sunday school class. NO kitchen. Has one cup communion, not individual cups.

Can anyone give me the name of a CofC author who has penned a Standard Works reference book that all denominations consider to be trustworthy?


44 posted on 12/15/2011 11:40:59 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jagusafr

****many Texas Southern Baptists have been taught from the pulpit that if you’re not SB you’re going to hell.***

Must be something in the alkali water. Nothing like that is mentioned in The Baptist Faith and Message.


45 posted on 12/15/2011 11:45:53 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Cronos

I am a member of the churches of Christ. I believe that Christ is the perfect Judge and am happy to leave it up to Him who His sheep are. I have enough problems worrying about myself to police others.

The churches of Christ are made up of autonomous congregations, under the leadership of elders for that congregation (Acts 20:28, 1 Pet. 5:1-2). There is no central presbytery, council, convention, or other body that prescribes doctrine and practice. So there is a diversity of views not just among members but among congregations.

The churches of Christ seek to be guided in their faith and practice by the teachings of Christ and the apostles and deem the New Testament scriptures to be sufficient for that purpose without binding the extrabiblical writings of mankind.

Among one to two million members in the U.S., I do not doubt that there may be some members of churches of Christ who believe those of other Christian groups will not go to heaven. Among millions of Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc., some members of those groups, too, may hold such views.

I’m well-content to let the Lord sort it all out.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 11:49:14 AM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: reaganaut

Apostasy was known in the 1st Century, see book of Jude. The difference is that the Church of Christ congratulation do not believe in a total Apostasy as the followers of Joseph Smith do.

As you bring up Campbell etc.. a fair description of the American Restoration Movement can be found at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_Movement

and a general over view of the Church of Christ can be found at

http://church-of-christ.org/who.html#restore


47 posted on 12/15/2011 11:50:37 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: SVTCobra03

I will not attempt to argue with an web site.. but one may wish to recall

Acts 2:36 and following

36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 11:55:20 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: sr4402
In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.

I suspect just about all who claim to be Christians would agree with this. But it just moves the disagreement to one about which issues are essentials and which are non-essentials.

The subject here is whether being in the wrong church or denomination will exclude you from heaven.

Let's go back to the early Church. There were multitudes of competing groups then, just as now.

Question for you: Would being a member of a Gnostic sect or an Arian exclude you from heaven? How about a Manichaean?

All these groups claimed to have faith in God and Christ, no matter how much they disagreed on who They were.

Yet most Christians of today would consider them to have been severely misguided, with their heresy varying from mild to extreme.

Presumably you, like most, would exclude some of these groups from the name "Christian." So what is the objective measure you use to draw the line? You claim there is no line, but I suspect you have one, though you might draw it in a different place than the author of the article above.

49 posted on 12/15/2011 11:57:58 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: PetroniusMaximus

The “boston movement” or IOCC is far removed from Church of Christ Congregational movement.


50 posted on 12/15/2011 11:58:09 AM PST by Bidimus1
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