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Pope to Canonize and Name Hildegard of Bingen as Doctor of the Church
Rome Reports ^ | 12/16/11

Posted on 12/16/2011 9:49:00 AM PST by marshmallow

December 16, 2011. ( Benedict XVI is set to appoint Hildegard of Bingen as a Doctor of the Church in October of 2012. She was a German Benedictine nun and was known for her visions and prophecies.

Hildegard of Bingen lived in the twelfth century. In addition to being a nun, she was a composer, philosopher, physicist and ecologist. A multi-talented woman, and a pioneer for many of these fields during the Middle Ages.

She came from a wealthy family and when she was only eight years old was sent to study in a monastery. She eventually decided to become a nun and later became an abbess.

Her visions and prophecies were recognized by the pope during that time, allowing her to speak about them publicly.

Since she has not been officially canonized, the ceremony is likely to take place before the pope names her as a Doctor of the Church in October.

Benedict XVI dedicated several of his general audiences to this German nun, saying that she “served the Church in an age in which it was wounded by the sins of priests and laity”.

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1 posted on 12/16/2011 9:49:10 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

For a woman of her time, when women were very much limited, that is nothing short than amazing.

2 posted on 12/16/2011 10:01:00 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow
She wrote beautiful music 1,000 years ago!
3 posted on 12/16/2011 10:08:09 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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Helps if I get the correct link!
4 posted on 12/16/2011 10:10:21 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: marshmallow

I visited the Abbey of St Hildegaard any number of times when I lived near Bingen from 96-2000. Absolutely beautiful location on the Rhine, and hearing the nuns at matins was an awesome experience. It’s definitley worth the trip with other historic and religious site near by. I think I still have a bottle of the wine sold in the Mainz Cathedral at her 900th anniversary celebration: A beautiful bottle with a stained-glass likeness of Hildegaard as part of the bottle. (The abbey is now across the Rhine from Bingen on the Rudesheim side.)

5 posted on 12/16/2011 10:36:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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She promoted "God as Mother":

"her theology... Dabhar... earthiness as the meaning of humility... pantheism... divinization of images ... God as Mother ... fleshy

6 posted on 12/16/2011 10:46:43 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402
That's a page from some Australian fans of Eastern religions (Hinduism, etc.). Of course they think Hildegard was one of theirs. They no doubt think Jesus was one of theirs, too.

The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia article may be a bit more objective.

7 posted on 12/16/2011 11:21:39 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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8 posted on 12/16/2011 12:10:18 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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You wrote:

“She promoted “God as Mother”:”

Actually what she recognized was the generative power of Christ’s sacrifice. Hildegard of Bingen and Julian of Norwich both recognized that Christ’s lance wound would look like the entry way to a womb. Knowing that and their orthodox theology, they saw that Christ’s love filled heart was like a womb, and that His blood sacrifice nurtured the Church (and all the saved thereby). Hence, this (scroll down to the second picture; notice how it is coupled with Adam and Eve above it?):

The Church has long recognized these things:

“Indeed, in the sacrifice of the Cross, Christ gave birth to the Church as his Bride and his body. The Fathers of the Church often meditated on the relationship between Eve’s coming forth from the side of Adam as he slept (cf. Gen 2:21-23) and the coming forth of the new Eve, the Church, from the open side of Christ sleeping in death: from Christ’s pierced side, John recounts, there came forth blood and water (cf. Jn 19:34), the symbol of the sacraments (30). A contemplative gaze “upon him whom they have pierced” (Jn 19:37) leads us to reflect on the causal connection between Christ’s sacrifice, the Eucharist and the Church. The Church “draws her life from the Eucharist” (31). Since the Eucharist makes present Christ’s redeeming sacrifice, we must start by acknowledging that “there is a causal influence of the Eucharist at the Church’s very origins” (32). The Eucharist is Christ who gives himself to us and continually builds us up as his body. Hence, in the striking interplay between the Eucharist which builds up the Church, and the Church herself which “makes” the Eucharist (33), the primary causality is expressed in the first formula: the Church is able to celebrate and adore the mystery of Christ present in the Eucharist precisely because Christ first gave himself to her in the sacrifice of the Cross. The Church’s ability to “make” the Eucharist is completely rooted in Christ’s self-gift to her. Here we can see more clearly the meaning of Saint John’s words: “he first loved us” (1 Jn 4:19). We too, at every celebration of the Eucharist, confess the primacy of Christ’s gift. The causal influence of the Eucharist at the Church’s origins definitively discloses both the chronological and ontological priority of the fact that it was Christ who loved us “first.” For all eternity he remains the one who loves us first.”

Feminists twist this: And some Protestants here at FR know too little to speak intelligently about these matters, but that never seems to stop them from posting about them anyway.

9 posted on 12/16/2011 6:31:31 PM PST by vladimir998
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Thanks marshmallow.

Ordinarily this wouldn't be a ping, but A) she lived in the Middle Ages, B) she's one of the earliest composers whose name is even connected to specific compositions, and C) I love her music so much. Merry Christmas to all!

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

10 posted on 12/16/2011 7:53:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To learn more bump.

11 posted on 12/16/2011 8:10:51 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Pope to Canonize and Name Hildegard of Bingen as Doctor of the Church
A Continuing Reflection on St. Hildegard
On St. Hildegard: Cloistered Nun and Mystic
12 posted on 12/16/2011 8:22:42 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The group Anonymous Four did an album several years back of Hildegard’s music called “11,000 Virgins”. It is one of the most beautiful sounds you’ll ever hear, although I actually like their Miracles of Santiago album better. Gotta love the natural reverb you get when you record in a cathedral.

13 posted on 12/16/2011 10:20:05 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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I couldn't find anything from the 11,000 Virgins album (as per my last post), but I think you might like this. It's from an album of theirs called "The Origin Of Fire - Music and Visions of Hildegard von Bingen". Neat Stuff.
14 posted on 12/16/2011 10:29:18 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Campion
That's a page from some Australian fans of Eastern religions (Hinduism, etc.). Of course they think Hildegard was one of theirs. They no doubt think Jesus was one of theirs, too.

The Indians firmly believe that their culture is, by far, the finest and oldest.

Well, the reason for Jones going to said temple of doom was to get back "Shiva's Linga," an oblong-shaped rock stolen from a poor village which was in DIRE straits because their holy "Linga" had been stolen.
When I heard that I was the ONLY one in the theater who burst out laughing.
A "linga" is a penis. Those villagers worshipped God as a penis.

The Indians really believe that their culture is superior to all others.

15 posted on 12/17/2011 6:49:18 AM PST by cloudmountain
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The Indians firmly believe that their culture is, by far, the finest and oldest.

Well, it not only that, but Hinduism is inherently syncretistic. Somebody (Peter Kreeft?) wrote that, if you try to tell a Hindu about Jesus, they're likely to say, "Oh, yes ... Jesus was God Incarnate? ... just like all of our best gurus!" The idea that the Incarnation was special and unique is foreign to them; their religion teaches that incarnate gods are commonplace.

I wouldn't draw too many conclusions about anything from an Indiana Jones movie ... I used to call them "Steven Spielberg mocks the world's great religions, Parts I, II, and III". (I have no idea what the last one was about.)

A non-Christian might suppose from Indiana Jones that Christianity is mostly about a knight guarding a table full of cups in a boobytrapped cave in Jordan.

16 posted on 12/17/2011 7:31:02 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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1. Well, it not only that, but Hinduism is inherently syncretistic. Somebody (Peter Kreeft?) wrote that, if you try to tell a Hindu about Jesus, they're likely to say, "Oh, yes ... Jesus was God Incarnate? ... just like all of our best gurus!" The idea that the Incarnation was special and unique is foreign to them; their religion teaches that incarnate gods are commonplace.
2. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions about anything from an Indiana Jones movie ... I used to call them "Steven Spielberg mocks the world's great religions, Parts I, II, and III". (I have no idea what the last one was about.)
3. A non-Christian might suppose from Indiana Jones that Christianity is mostly about a knight guarding a table full of cups in a boobytrapped cave in Jordan.

1. I know. Sidhartha Gautama, the Bhudda, was deified immediately by the Hindus even though he (reportedly, since there was no Indian writing at the time, all oral history) repeatedly told the people that he was not God or a god.
The Hindus have some 330 million gods. My husband was SURE that somewhere in India there were Hindus worshipping a '56 Chevy. Nothing surprises me about Hinduism.

2. I don't. In my opinion Spielberg sells movies and he'll sell whatever the market is buying. Anti-religion sells in Sleezywood cuz it validates their sleezy way of life.

3. I think non-Christians know as little about Christianity and Christians know about Hinduism or other faiths. Some hardly know their own faith. Ditto for most people, I think.

17 posted on 12/18/2011 5:12:18 AM PST by cloudmountain
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The Life and Works of Hildegard von Bingen (1098-1179)


Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179) was a remarkable woman, a "first" in many fields. At a time when few women wrote, Hildegard, known as "Sybil of the Rhine", produced major works of theology and visionary writings. When few women were accorded respect, she was consulted by and advised bishops, popes, and kings. She used the curative powers of natural objects for healing, and wrote treatises about natural history and medicinal uses of plants, animals, trees and stones. She is the first composer whose biography is known. She founded a vibrant convent, where her musical plays were performed. Although not yet canonized, Hildegard has been beatified, and is frequently referred to as St. Hildegard. Revival of interest in this extraordinary woman of the middle ages was initiated by musicologists and historians of science and religion. Less fortunately, Hildegard's visions and music had been hijacked by the New Age movement, whose music bears some resemblance to Hildegard's ethereal airs. Her story is important to all students of medieval history and culture and an inspirational account of an irresisible spirit and vibrant intellect overcoming social, physical, cultural, gender barriers to achieve timeless transcendence.

The Early Years

Hildegard was born a "10"th child (a tithe) to a noble family. As was customary with the tenth child, which the family could not count on feeding, she was dedicated at birth to the church. The girl started to have visions of luminous objects at the age of tree, but soon realized she was unique in this ability and hid this gift for many years.

At age 8, the family sent this strange girl to an anchoress named Jutta to receive a religious education. Jutta was born into a wealthy and prominent family, and by all accounts was a young woman of great beauty. She spurned all worldly temptations and decided to dedicate her life to god. Instead of entering a convent, Jutta followed a harsher route and became an anchoress. Anchors of both sexes, though from most accounts they seem to be largely women, led an ascetic life, shut off from the world inside a small room, usually built adjacent to a church so that they could follow the services, with only a small window acting as their link to the rest of humanity. Food would be passed through this window and refuse taken out. Most of the time would be spent in prayer, contemplation, or solitary handworking activities, like stitching and embroidering. Because they would become essentially dead to the world, anchors would receive their last rights from the bishop before their confinement in the anchorage. This macabre ceremony was a complete burial ceremony with the anchor laid out on a bier.

Jutta's cell was such an anchorage, except that there was a door through which Hildegard entered, as well as about a dozen of girls from noble families who were attracted there by Jutta's fame in later years. What kind of education did Hildegard receive from Jutta? It was of the most rudimentary form, and Hildegard could never escape the feelings of inadequacy and lack of education. She learned to read Psalter in Latin. Though her grasp of the grammatical intricacies of the language was never complete - she always had secretaries to help her write down her visions - she had a good intuitive feel for the intrintricacies of the language itself, constructing complicated sentences fraught with meanings on many levels, that are still a challenge to students of her writings. The proximity of the anchorage to the church of the Benedictine monastery at Disibodenberg (it was attached physically to the church) undoubtedly exposed young Hildegard to musical religious services and were the basis for her own musical compositions. After Jutta's death, when Hildegard was 38 years of age, she was elected the head of the budding convent living within cramped walls of the anchorage.

The Awakening

During all these years Hildegard confided of her visions only to Jutta and another monk, named Volmar, who was to become her lifelong secretary. However, in 1141, Hildegard had a vision that changed the course of her life. A vision of god gave her instant understanding of the meaning of the religious texts, and commanded her to write down everything she would observe in her visions.
And it came to pass ... when I was 42 years and 7 months old, that the heavens were opened and a blinding light of exceptional brilliance flowed through my entire brain. And so it kindled my whole heart and breast like a flame, not burning but warming... and suddenly I understood of the meaning of expositions of the books...

Yet Hildegard was also overwhelmed by feelings of inadequacy and hesitated to act.

But although I heard and saw these things, because of doubt and low opinion of myself and because of diverse sayings of men, I refused for a long time a call to write, not out of stubbornness but out of humility, until weighed down by a scourge of god, I fell onto a bed of sickness.
The 12th century was also the time of schisms and religious foment, when someone preaching any outlandish doctrine could instantly attract a large following. Hildegard was critical of schismatics, indeed her whole life she preached against them, especially the Cathars. She wanted her visions to be sanctioned, approved by the Catholic Church, though she herself never doubted the divine origins to her luminous visions. She wrote to St. Bernard, seeking his blessings. Though his answer to her was rather perfunctory, he did bring it to the attention of Pope Eugenius (1145-53), a rather enlightened individual who exhorted Hildegard to finish her writings. With papal imprimatur, Hildegard was able to finish her first visionary work Scivias ("Know the Ways of the Lord") and her fame began to spread through Germany and beyond.

Major Works

Around 1150 Hildegard moved her growing convent from Disibodenberg, where the nuns lived alongside the monks, to Bingen about 30 km north, on the banks of the Rhine. She later founded another convent, Eibingen, across the river from Bingen. Her remaining years were very productive. She wrote music and texts to her songs, mostly liturgical plainchant honoring saints and Virgin Mary for the holidays and feast days, and antiphons. There is some evidence that her music and moral play Ordo Virtutum ("Play of Virtues") were performed in her own convent. In addition to Scivias she wrote two other major works of visionary writing Liber vitae meritorum (1150-63) (Book of Life's Merits) and Liber divinorum operum(1163) ("Book of Divine Works"), in which she further expounded on her theology of microcosm and macrocosm-man being the peak of god's creation, man as a mirror through which the splendor of the macrocosm was reflected. Hildegard also authored Physica and Causae et Curae (1150), both works on natural history and curative powers of various natural objects, which are together known as Liber subtilatum ("The book of subtleties of the Diverse Nature of Things"). These works were uncharacteristic of Hildegard's writings, including her correspondences, in that they were not presented in a visionary form and don't contain any references to divine source or revelation. However, like her religious writings they reflected her religious philosophy-that the man was the peak of god's creation and everything was put in the world for man to use.

Her scientific views were derived from the ancient Greek cosmology of the four elements-fire, air, water, and earth-with their complementary qualities of heat, dryness, moisture, and cold, and the corresponding four humours in the body-choler (yellow bile), blood, phlegm, and melancholy (black bile). Human constitution was based on the preponderance of one or two of the humours. Indeed, we still use words "choleric", "sanguine", "phlegmatic" and "melancholy" to describe personalities. Sickness upset the delicate balance of the humours, and only consuming the right plant or animal which had that quality you were missing, could restore the healthy balance to the body. That is why in giving descriptions of plants, trees, birds, animals, stones, Hildegard is mostly concerned in describing that object's quality and giving its medicinal use. Thus, "Reyan (tansy) is hot and a little damp and is good against all superfluous flowing humours and whoever suffers from catarrh and has a cough, let him eat tansy. It will bind humors so that they do not overflow, and thus will lessen."

Hildegard's writings are also unique for their generally positive view of sexual relations and her description of pleasure from the point of view of a woman. They might also contain the first description of the female orgasm.

When a woman is making love with a man, a sense of heat in her brain, which brings with it sensual delight, communicates the taste of that delight during the act and summons forth the emission of the man's seed. And when the seed has fallen into its place, that vehement heat descending from her brain draws the seed to itself and holds it, and soon the woman's sexual organs contract, and all the parts that are ready to open up during the time of menstruation now close, in the same way as a strong man can old something enclosed in his fist.
She also wrote that strength of semen determined the sex of the child, while the amount of love and passion determine child's disposition. The worst case, where the seed is weak and parents feel no love, leads to a bitter daughter.

Divine Harmonies

Music was extremely important to Hildegard. She describes it as the means of recapturing the original joy and beauty of paradise. According to her before the Fall, Adam had a pure voice and joined angels in singing praises to god. After the fall, music was invented and musical instruments made in order to worship god appropriately. Perhaps this explains why her music most often sounds like what we imagine angels singing to be like.

Hildegard wrote hymns and sequences in honor of saints, virgins and Mary. She wrote in the plainchant tradition of a single vocal melodic line, a tradition common in liturgical singing of her time. Her music is undergoing a revival and enjoying huge public success. One group, Sequentia, is planning to record all of Hildegard's musical output in time for the 900th anniversary of her birth in 1998. Their latest recording Canticles of Ecstasy is superb. Be sure to read the translations of the latin text of the songs which provide a good example of Hildegard's metaphorical writing, and are imbued with vibrant descriptions of color and light, that also occurs in her visionary writings.

The Most Distinguished Migraine Sufferer

It is now generally agreed that Hildegard suffered from migraine, and that her visions were a result of this condition. The way she describes her visions, the precursors, to visions, to debilitating aftereffects, point to classic symptoms of migraine sufferers. Although a number of visual hallucinations may occur, the more common ones described are the "scotomata" which often follow perceptions of phosphenes in the visual field. Scintillating scotomata are also associated with areas of total blindness in the visual field, something Hildegard might have been describing when she spoke of points of intense light, and also the "extinguished stars." Migraine attacks are usually followed by sickness, paralysis, blindness-all reported by Hildegard, and when they pass, by a period of rebound and feeling better than before, a euphoria also described by her. Also, writes Oliver Sachs
Among the strangest and most intense symptoms of migraine aura, and the most difficult of description and analysis, are the occurrences of feelings of sudden familiarity and certitude... or its opposite. Such states are experienced, momentarily and occasionally,by everyone; their occurrence in migraine auras is marked by their overwhelming intensity and relatively long duration.
It is a tribute to the remarkable spirit and the intellectual powers of this woman that she was able to turn a debilitating illness into the word of god, and create so much with it.


  • Hildegard of Bingen, a Visionary Life, by Sabina Flanagan. (Routledge, London, 1989).
  • The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and Other Clinical Tales, Oliver Sachs. (New York : Perennial Library, 1987).
  • Symphonia: A Critical Edition of the "Symphonia armoniae celestium revelationum, trans. and commentary Barbara Newman (Ithaca: Cornell Univ. Press, 1988).
  • Scivias, trans. Mother Columba Hart and Jane Bishop, The Classics of Western Spirituality (New York/Mahwah: Paulist Press, 1990).
  • Illuminations of Hildegard of Bingen, text by Hildegard of Bingen with commentary by Matthew Fox. (Santa Fe, N.M. : Bear & Co., 1985).
  • Hildegard of Bingen : the Book of the rewards of life (Liber vitae meritorum), translated by Bruce W. Hozeski. (New York : Garland Pub., 1994).
  • The letters of Hildegard of Bingen, translated by Joseph L. Baird, Radd K. Ehrman. (New York : Oxford University Press, 1994).
  • Sister of wisdom : St. Hildegard's theology of the feminine, by Barbara Newman. (Berkeley : University of California Press, 1987).
  • The "Ordo virtutum" of Hildegard of Bingen : critical studies edited by Audrey Ekdahl Davidson. (Kalamazoo, Mich. : Medieval Institute Publications, Western Michigan University, 1992).
  • Hildegard von Bingen : Mystikerin, Heilerin, Gefahrtin der Engel, by Ingeborg Ulrich. (Munchen : Kosel, 1990).
  • German mysticism from Hildegard of Bingen to Ludwig Wittgenstein : a literary and intellectual history, by Andrew Weeks. (Albany : State University of New York Press, 1993).

18 posted on 12/18/2011 1:40:33 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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19 posted on 12/18/2011 1:48:27 PM PST by narses
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I have a book about some of her medical cures, dietary advice and so on. It is fascinating. I’ve always wanted to hear her music, thank you for the link. I hope I can find more. I”m listening now, very beautiful.

20 posted on 12/18/2011 1:56:53 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: marshmallow
I hope the Pope does the same thing for Bishop Baraga!
21 posted on 12/18/2011 2:02:58 PM PST by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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They just have to explain it away as a migraine..

22 posted on 12/18/2011 2:25:18 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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One of the things I remember from my time in the bookstore at the Abbey of St Hildegard is that she was also famous for practicality as well. I believe it was some kind of strain of wheat they developed that increased food supplies or nutrition....something like that. It’s a vague memory, but it struck me that Hildegard was not a one-note prodigy.

23 posted on 12/18/2011 7:20:22 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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I posted a thread earlier this fall about Pope Benedict XVI beatifying Venerable Elena Aiello.

By doing so, he drew attention to Venerable Elena Aiello's prophecies, which have strong parallels to both Our Lady of Akita as well as statements Pope JPII and Cardinal Ratzinger made in the past regarding the Third Secret of Fatima (see this blog post for a summary of the parallels: For fourth anniversary of Summorum Pontificum, Pope draws attention to little known prophecies of Venerable Elena Aiello)

Now, Pope Benedict XVI is drawing attention to St. Hildegard - by declaring her a Doctor of the Church!

Does anyone realize that her prophecies also dovetail with those of Akita, Fatima, and Venerable Elena Aiello?


"The time is coming when princes and peoples will reject the authority of the Pope. Some countries will prefer their own Church rulers to the Pope. The German Empire will be divided. Church property will be secularised. Priests will be persecuted. After the birth of Antichrist heretics will preach their false doctrines undisturbed, resulting in Christians having doubts about their holy Catholic faith."

At that period when antichrist shall be born, there will be many wars and right order shall be destroyed on earth. Heresy will be rampant and the heretics will preach their errors openly without restraint. Even among Christians doubt and scepticism will be entertained concerning the beliefs of Catholicism

"Toward the end of the world, mankind will be purified through sufferings. This will be true especially of the clergy, who will be robbed of all property. When the clergy has adopted a simple manner of living, conditions will improve.

At this time as a punishment for their sins Christians especially will attempt armed resistance to those who at that time are persecuting them, sensing no concern for the death of their bodies.

"A powerful wind will rise in the North carrying heavy fog and the densest dust by divine command and it will fill their throats and eyes so they will cease their savagery and be stricken with great fear.

Then within the Christian people the Holy Godhead will accomplish signs and wonders as if accomplished them at the time of Moses with the pillar of cloud and as Michael the archangel did when he fought the heathen for the sake of the Christians. Because of Michael's help Gods faithful children will march under his protection. They will decimate their foes and achieve victory through Gods power…As a result of this a large number of heathens will join Christians in true faith and they will say “ The God of the Christians is true God because such wondrous works have been accomplished among the Christians”.

After that there will be so few men left that seven women will fight for one man, that they will say to the man: "Marry me to take the disgrace from me." For in those days it will be a disgrace for a woman to be without child, as it was by the Jews in the Old Testament.

"Before the Comet comes, many nations, the good excepted, will be scoured with want and famine. The great nation in the ocean that is inhabited by people of different tribes and descent by an earthquake, storm and tidal waves will be devastated. It will be divided, and in great part submerged. That nation will also have many misfortunes at sea, and lose its colonies in the east through a Tiger and a Lion.

The Comet by its tremendous pressure, will force much out of the ocean and flood many countries, causing much want and many plagues. [After the] great Comet, the great nation will be devastated by earthquakes, storms, and great waves of water, causing much want and plagues. The ocean will also flood many other countries, so that all coastal cities will live in fear, with many destroyed. All sea coast cities will be fearful and many of them will be destroyed by tidal waves, and most living creatures will be killed and even those who escape will die from a horrible disease.

For in none of these cities does a person live according to the laws of God. "Peace will return to Europe when the white flower again takes possession of the throne of France.

(See for the White Flower)

During this time of peace the people will be forbidden to carry weapons and iron will be used solely for making agricultural implements and tools. Also during this period the soil will be very productive and many Jews, heathens and heretics will join the Church.

"Peace will return when the Lily ascends the Throne again. The land will be very productive . During this time weapons will be forbidden. Iron will only be used for agricultural tools. In this period the land will be very productive. Jews, heathen and heretics will join the church.

The throne of the last catholic Empire will crumble and the sceptre will fall out of the hand of him who sits on the throne. The Great Monarch by this time will be a very old man. All justice will cease and will be trodden under foot. The latter times will be more evil and corrupt in the eyes of God. Children of God will be persecuted by the most hateful means in the eyes of God. Almost immediately after the death of the Monarch comes antichrist

(Note: This in my opinion is the peace promised by Fatima - Richard Salbato)


When the great ruler (the Great Monarch who is to rule Europe after the collapse of Communism) exterminates the Turks almost entirely, one of the remaining Mohammadans will be converted, become a priest bishop and cardinal, and when the new pope is elected (immediately before Antichrist) this cardinal will kill the pope before he is crowned, through jealousy, wishing to be pope himself; then when the other cardinals elect the next pope,

(Note by Richard Salbato - this will be the last pope on earth - Peter the Second)

this cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-pope, and two-thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, as well as Anti-christ, are descendants of the tribe of Dan.

An unchaste woman will conceive an unchaste son. The wicked serpent who deceived Adam will influence this child in such as way that nothing good or virtuous will enter him; nor under the circumstances will it even be possible for any good to be in him

The mark (of Antichrist) will be a hellish symbol of Baptism, because thereby a person will be stamped as an adherent of Antichrist and also of the Devil in that he thereby gives himself over to the influence of Satan. Whoever will not have this mark of Antichrist can neither buy nor sell anything and will be beheaded.

He will win over to himself the rulers, the mighty and the wealthy, will bring about the destruction of those who do not accept his faith and, finally, will subjugate the entire earth.

The streets of Jerusalem, will then shine in the brightest gold with the blood of Christians which will flow like water. Simultaneously Antichrist will try to increase his wonders. His executioners will work such miracles when they torment the Christians that the people will think Antichrist is the true God. The executioners will not permit the Christians to win the martyrs' crown easily for they will endeavour to prolong their pain until they renounce their faith. Yet some will receive a special grace from God to die during the torments.

Antichrist will make the earth move, level mountains, dry up rivers, produce thunder and lightning and hail, remove the leaves from the trees and return them again to the trees, make men sick and cure them, exorcise devils, raise the dead to life. He will appear to be crucified and rise from the dead. All in all, Christians will be astounded and in grievous doubts while the followers of Antichrist will be confirmed in their false faith.

Finally, when he shall have converted all his plans into action, he will gather his worshippers about him and tell them that he will presently ascend toward Heaven. However, at the moment of the ascension a bolt of lightning will overwhelm and annihilate him. The planned ascent into heaven will have been prepared by the artful employment of ingenious devices, and the moment at which the event was to have taken place, leading to his destruction, will produce a cloud that will spread an unbearable odour. Through this many people will again come to their senses and to understanding.

Then the people should prepare for the last judgment, the day of which is indeed veiled in secrecy and obscurity, but not far distant."

Henoch and Elias are being instructed by God in a mysterious manner in paradise.

Also recall that St. Hildegard's prophecies form one of the cornerstones of the body of prophecy in this thread: Catholic Prophecy [Why some Catholics anticipate the return of Monarchy]

Maybe I'm reading too much into our Holy Father's recent actions, but I can't help thinking he's trying to tell us something, trying to make right an error the Vatican committed in the year 2000 with the publication of the "Third Secret of Fatima."

24 posted on 12/18/2011 9:50:33 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: sr4402

No she didn’t. Ninety percent of the stuff written about her is garbage from feminists and new-agers who distort her into a New Ager. Benedict has read her actual writings. They are fully orthodox.

Before you make judgments about her you have to cut through all the drivel written by fools about her.

25 posted on 12/22/2011 7:49:02 PM PST by Houghton M.
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