Jewish voters and the Ron Paul effect )(And how the "Sarah Palin effect" was a myth)

Jewish Journal of Los Angeles ^ | December 23, 2011 | Shmuel Rosner

[incindiary]

"Can you find one of Paul defending Christian...."

Paul has emphatically stated that he believes the principle of pre-emptive war goes against the 'Just War Theory' of Christianity. He has also stated that being in perpetual war does not go along with Christ's teachings. So you are wrong, he seems to be the only candidate who actually CARES about our foreign policy being in line with Christian values.

Here's a clip of him at a debate speaking about pre-emptive war.

[nickcarraway]

Yes, he believes war against Muslims is wrong. But the 9/11 gang were justified in "defending" themselves against evil Christians, according to Paul.

By the way, you still haven't shown him defending Christians. Even if he alluded to a Christian (among others), it was only to defend Muslims. He's still not on the record ever defending Christians;.

[justiceseeker93]

...Palin was more on our side than the majority of our coreligionists.

Absolutely true! And in this year's race, the same can be said for Michele Bachmann. In many ways, Bachmann can be viewed as this year's Palin. In fact, according to Bachmann's autobiography, the two are friendly with each other.

Paul is an anti-Semite.

Please see my post # 16.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Ron Paul is a neo-isolationist, not a Nazi. He appears to be antisemitic because his wacko foreign policy works to the disadvantage of Israel. But he has the utmost respect for several important (since deceased) Jewish intellectuals of the past in the libertarian movement, some of whom he had personal contact with - Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek - and who influenced his economic views.

One can be isolationist without being anti-Israel. Paul is anti-Israel. He has made his distaste for that country plain on numerous occasions.

This anti-Israel philosophy doesn't so much come from isolationism or libertarianism, but European style rightism, which is abundant among "palaeoconservatives," whether libertarian or statist.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Jews naturally associate public Christianity with anti-Semitism. It’s not personal. Right or wrong, Ron Paul is portrayed as much more secular in outlook than Sarah Palin.

Well, having just emerged from an extremely nasty argument with chr*stians just last week, here's where I win back my "unclassifiable curmudgeon" bona fides:

What kind of chr*stianity? Roman Catholicism? Eastern Orthodoxy? Mormonism? Primitive Baptists (who absolutely refuse to engage in any proselytary activity whatsoever)? Chr*stadelphians? Swedenborgians? Assemblies of G-d? Moravians? Wesleyans? Chr*stian Scientists? Seventh Day Adventists? Quakers?

What about public Black and Hispanic chr*stianity? Or is that different?

And Jews are likely to see a certain amount of anti-Semitism in any non-Jewish culture. So the preference for Democrats may just be because Jews are numerous and influential there despite obvious anti-Semitism

Then why doesn't the Democrat Party promote the Noachide Laws?

You know that little hut Lionel Jeffries lived in in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? That's my house now, and there's plenty of room for all of me.

[justiceseeker93]

One can be an isolationist without being anti-Israel.

Given today's geopolitical alignment, it's just about impossible to be an American isolationist without risking the security and existence of Israel - as well as several other American allies.

[jjotto]

I’m afraid I don’t understand your animus.

If it’s based on the New Testament, it’s Christianity.

Either political party can be prone to Jew-hate. Jews may simply be picking the one that has more Jews in it, not because they believe one is morally superior. Quite the opposite.

[Zionist Conspirator]

If it’s based on the New Testament, it’s Christianity.

That's the point. Some forms of chr*stianity are murderous, some are harmless. To simply have a negative reaction to "public chr*stianity" (outside of a Torah context) is to engage in stereotyping based on ignorance.

Either political party can be prone to Jew-hate. Jews may simply be picking the one that has more Jews in it, not because they believe one is morally superior. Quite the opposite.

Yes, that's true, but the fact that it's true is not a good thing. Three hundred years ago almost all Jews lived in a self-governing Theocratic entity under the authority of the Rabbinate. Then enlightenment fever came along and brought about the unnatural situation we find ourselves today, where secular figures, organizations, and publications claim to represent the "official Jewish community." That this crowd is now accepted as the "Jewish leadership" (and their presence in the Democrat party makes it "the Jewish party") is a tragedy.

Rabbi 'Asher Meza is definitely outside the mainstream, but I nevertheless appreciate his attitude towards multi-generational secular Jewish "leadership."