21 Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura

re: “I may be wrong. I have found this to be the case many times in my search. What is true at one level of understanding is untrue at the next level.”

John 14

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

Tired&retired, I keep quoting Scripture because you keep saying you want to know the Truth. I know you believe that truth is made up of many frames of reference, but in this you are mistaken. You want to know what God is like? Look at Jesus. You want to know who God is? Look at the person and work of Jesus.

All paths are not leading to the same destination. All religious beliefs do not lead to true enlightenment. I don’t want to argue with you about it as I really don’t think that would help, but I have tried to point you in the right direction - Jesus. He’s not just one of the religious celebrities.

And those Protestants may very well have the same standing before God that you do. Quite frankly, laying the ills at the feet of Protestantism is wrong. The world does not have a doctrine problem, it has a sin problem. Man exalts and esteems himself higher than God. It’s like I tell people, I highly doubt that when you stand before the Lord that he will say “ I appreciate that you loved my Son and followed his commandments, but unfortunately you didn’t believe in (fill in the blanks - infant baptism, tradition, sola scriptura, etc.). Always remember when asked what the greatest commandment was - Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind. And next to that, love your neighbor as your self. Paul said in I Corinthians 2:2 - I am determined to know nothing among you but Jesus Christ and him crucified. I sense that you are a zealous believer. Direct that to these and you will be truly pleasing to God.

Ahimsa has many levels of understanding. Often we view others like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum views their parents. We ask, why do you hate me and treat me this way. However our parent with greater understanding is creating an obstacle in our path because they Love us and want to do what is best in teaching us to grow up as healthy adults.

When you realize that an injury inflicted upon someone’s soul is worse than harming the flesh, you will understand ahimsa.

I appreciate your response.
Your is respectful.
On the other hand the response to me at #181
pretty much assures that I want nothing to do with
attending a church that produces such religious prigs who are just here to ridicule instead of discuss.This is why I rarely join in these religion threads.

Am I thin skinned?

No. I just never see anything but rotting fruit and no progress for the cause of Christ here. It' once again proved to just be a waste of time.

The Scripture readings in the English-speaking Catholic Churches are in English, not Latin.

Also, the Church was founded and functioning before the New Testament was even written, and the Canon of Scripture of the New Testament (list of books in the New Testament) was not decided until the 4th century (by Catholic Church Councils, guided by the Holy Spirit, and accompanied by Jesus Christ Himself, as He promised the Church He would never leave them).

I think most of the Catholics here are saying that they reverantly honor the Holy Scriptures, but that without the guidance and protection that Jesus Christ Himself promised His Church, people would end up interpreting the Scriptures themselves, and you would end up with the 30,000-plus non-Catholic denominations you have today, all teaching different doctrines.

By the way, the Catholic Church teaches only one set of doctrines. (Now, whether all Catholics believe or follow those official doctines of the Church is a completely different question.)

One need not accept what is commonly termed “Sola Scriptura” to see some of the more obvious errors in the author's understanding of Scripture. for example this comment:

“3) The “Scripture” that St. Paul is referring to here is the Old Testament, a fact which is made plain by his reference to the Scripture’s being known by Timothy from “infancy” (verse 15). The New Testament as we know it did not yet exist, or at best it was incomplete, so it simply could not have included in St. Paul’s understanding of what was meant by the term “scripture.” If we take St. Paul’s words at face value, Sola Scriptura would therefore mean that the Old Testament is the Christian’s sole rule of faith. This is a premise that all Christians would reject.”

The writers of the NT had a self conscious awareness that what they wrote was inspired and therefore “Scripture”. Peter classed Paul's letters as part of Scripture, (2 Peter 3:16) and commented that ‘no prophecy of Scripture springs from private interpretation but men as they were borne along by God's spirit’. (2 Peter 1:20, 21)

Both Peter and Paul certainly were aware that they spoke and interpreted prophecy and that their writing could be thus be called “Scripture” even then.

When Paul said “all Scripture” the OT and his own writings inspired by holy spirit were included.

Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies, and it is rooted in Protestantism’s principle of Sola Scriptura and private interpretation.

This neo-Arianism similarly is rooted in Sola Scriptura.
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Sounds like you converted to Catholicism directly from one of the liberal protestant churches without ever figuring out how the arian heresy managed to exterminate the protestant churches in Europe: how the arian heresy is killing the catholic church in Latin America and how its killing the liberal protestant churches in north America.

The modern arian heresy does not stem from ancestral roots in the gnostic gospels nor does it have anything at all to do with protestantism. Rather it comes from from the secular scientific revolution begun by Descartes in the early 1600’s. (ie man is the measure of all things...including God.)

There is power in God’s word that we don’t appreciate. My nephew is Jewish. We attended his bar mitzvah where he read from a passage in Leviticus/Numbers/Deuteronomy. I was astounded by the strong presence of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, to most there this was just a ritualistic exercise with little significance to them. I asked him this past weekend if he remembered which passage he read and he didn’t know. But the truth is, the Holy Spirit can illuminate God’s word wherever it is spoken.

>>Unitarianism began in the 16th century and arose from the Anabaptist movement and its radical interpretation of Sola Scriptura.

It predated Decartes by over a century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/surviv.htm

I am a Christian, and I know Jesus. Some call me a mystic, but they are wrong. Everything you are quoting is very accurate. However, there is also a different understanding. Consciousness expands as it increases in frequency. All the so called “gifts of the spirit” are normal attributes at that operational level of consciousness. The Bible is teaching us how to cleanse our souls and grow closer to God. I was only asking you to be able to put it in your own words.

I use Russian nesting dolls to graphically illustrate the consciousness expanding concept. We are the little doll in the middle and God is the outer doll. Jesus is the doll between us. You cannot reach God except through Jesus. True statement. As consciousness increases in frequency, so does the perception of reality. That is why Jesus made the statement “My Father and I are One.” after He let go of the “Old Self” in the dark night of the soul. In communion, we are to learn that Jesus and us are One. That is how we can do more than He did in his Name. (Note: Being like a child is having the purity of a child’s soul)

In Matthew 24, that is why the messiah will be seen as the lightning in the east is seen in the west! Are not your prayers heard where you are at and at the same time prayers are heard made by people on the exact opposite side of the earth. Rapture is merely “Raised up” in operational consciousness frequency. Oh, by the way, high frequency consciousness is like fire to low frequency consciousness. Consciousness is that “word”..... a word is merely a metaphor for a thought. the Tower of Babel concept is very accurate.

For some unknown reason, I have been given the ability to read people’s souls. People’s thoughts are real physical tangible objects. It’s how Jesus knew the thoughts of the people around him. What I have shared is the tip of the proverbial iceberg. We truly are entering interesting times. The only explanation I have as to why I can do what I do is that Peter was correct in quoting Joel in Acts 2!!

So you are saying that God’s Word as it is written led people to reject God’s Word as it is written?

Could the influence of the devil have any bearing here?

Perhaps an “agenda-driven” use of sola scriptura, rather than a pure heart approach, is where place is given to the influence of evil? Wouldn’t that be a great trick? Use God’s own Words to bring condemnation to man through the influence of lust of flesh, lust of eye, or pride of life?

Rejecting baptism is a way for an individual to limit obedience to God to the level of what is comfortable. Where would that type of thinking originate? With God? Clearly, it originated with Satan.

When Jesus was tempted by Satan, what did He respond with? Scripture? Scripture alone? If scripture alone was sufficient for Jesus....

For some unknown reason, I have been given the ability to read people’s souls. People’s thoughts are real physical tangible objects

Well, isn't this interesting. Can you elaborate, please? Must an individual be in your presence for you to believe yourself able to do this?

I'm not as hostile as my questioning might sound, but surely you realize that just putting something like this out there is going to be tested. You believe this to be a gift of God? If so, how so?

I’m not sure what relevance the eunuch is to this discussion. He was not born again - so yes, he needed help in understanding scripture and hearing the Good News about Jesus death, resurrection and being Born Again. When he heard the Word and BELIEVED, Philip baptized him. Scripture does not say specifically, but my assumption would be that he was filled with the Holy Spirit from that moment on as most Believers were filled with the HS in Acts. Otherwise, he could not easily grow his faith on his own back in Ethiopia. I suspect that when he read scripture from then on, the HS opened his heart and he understood it much more easily.

Also, note how active the Holy Spirit was in connecting someone seeking Truth with a Spirit-filled Believer that could share the Good News and get the eunuch saved.

Religion certainly did not, and could not, get the eunuch saved.

And one last time:
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. John 16:13

It would take a theologian to misunderstand the above passage.

Protestants will assert that the Bible itself teaches Sola Scriptura and therefore that the doctrine had its roots back with Jesus Christ. However, as we have seen above, the Bible teaches no such things.

What a pile of trash...

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Scripture alone, right there...With scripture alone, we know we have eternal life with Jesus thru his name...

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Scripture alone, right there...We know we have eternal life from the scriputures alone....

Your religion came up with it's own man made traditions which contradict the scriptures and as a result, you guys don't even know if your are going to make it to your fabricated purgatory...

No doubt you false teachers have led millions of people away from the Holy Words of God to be replaced with the unscriptural and ungodly words of your man made doctrines and you will have to explain that to God one day...

What a pile of trash...

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Scripture alone, right there...With scripture alone, we know we have eternal life with Jesus thru his name...

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Scripture alone, right there...We know we have eternal life from the scriputures alone....

Your religion came up with it's own man made traditions which contradict the scriptures and as a result, you guys don't even know if your are going to make it to your fabricated purgatory...

To begin with, I dont know why you guys needed to reply to me.
I guess we all suffer from being know it alls. But if you guys actually knew what you were talking about I’d actually learn something. The JW’s were started in the 1850’s by Rutherford, he used the Bible of the day, the KJV. They didnt complete creating their own version of the bible ‘New World Translation’ till the early 60’s, probably before you were born. I dont know the exact year, because I’m not googling here. Of which I once had a copy, green bound. I have studied JW theology extensively....try ‘Kingdom of the Cults’ by Dr. Walter Martin for your perousal. Sorry to correct you guys here, I normally mind my own business and only post to ‘none’ and rarely am interested in reply, but you guys made it necessary.

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