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Following The Truth: Confession Is It Still Necessary? (Catholic or Open)
CE.com ^ | July 28th, 2009 | Gary Zimak

Posted on 12/28/2011 10:49:22 AM PST by Salvation

Confession – Is It Still Necessary?

July 28th, 2009 by Gary Zimak

One of the harsh realities facing the Catholic Church is the fact that many of her members no longer receive the sacrament of Confession on a regular basis. For one reason or another, many Catholics don’t feel the need to go to Confession. Let’s look at some of the common objections and discuss why the sacrament of Confession is still as relevant today as it was when Jesus instituted it 2000 years ago.

“I confess my sins directly to Christ. Why do I need to go through a ‘middle man’?” This may come as a surprise to some, but the Church teaches that when you go to Confession, you are speaking directly to Jesus. Why the need for a priest? For one thing, that’s how the Lord designed the sacrament. In John 20:21-23, Jesus breathed on the Apostles and said “Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” Careful observation of Jesus’ words will show that while He is giving the Apostles the ability to forgive sins, they are also receiving the authority to make a judgment. There are certain cases where absolution may be denied and that decision would be impossible without knowing the details of the offense. Therefore, verbal confession of sins is necessary. Another very logical argument for confessing your sins to another individual is that we tend to be very lenient with ourselves. Jesus was well aware of our human nature when He instituted the sacrament of Confession. Verbalizing your sins to another individual requires a much greater level of humility than confessing them in your own mind. Throughout the gospels, Our Lord stressed the importance of humility for His followers and this is one more way to practice that virtue.

“Jesus only gave that authority to His Apostles. It doesn’t apply to priests!” The Church teaches that the authority granted by Jesus to the original Apostles is passed down to their successors, the bishops. This is known as Apostolic Succession. Due to the large number of Catholics in the world today, it would be impossible for the bishops to carry out their ministry effectively without help. For that reason, they are assisted in their mission by priests. In order to effectively assist the bishops, the authority to forgive or retain sins is also extended to priests.

“The Church teaches that it’s acceptable to’ follow your conscience’ and I don’t feel that (artificial birth control, missing Mass, premarital sex, in-vitro fertilization, etc.) is a sin.” Using this logic can justify any action and seemingly eliminate the need for the sacrament of Confession. While the Church does teach that we should follow our conscience, she also instructs that we must continually inform that conscience by studying Church teaching. The human conscience can be defective, as evidenced by individuals such as Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein, who believed that their evil actions were morally justified.

“I thought that the Church did away with mortal sin. Didn’t Vatican II state that nobody goes to Hell anymore?” Sadly, this is a very popular belief, even among Catholics. Just for the record, the Church teaching on mortal (or grave) sin has not changed. There are some sins that render us incapable of eternal life and their intentional commission warrants the punishment of Hell. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him forever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.” (CCC 1033)

While the above quotation may frighten some, the good news is that all of our sins (mortal and venial) can be forgiven in the sacrament of Confession. We need only express sorrow for our sins and vow to refrain from committing them again. If we fail, there is no limit to the number of times we can seek forgiveness in the sacrament. God knows that human nature is weak and only asks that we try our best to avoid sin.

“You only have to go to Confession if you’ve committed a mortal sin.” While this is technically a true statement, there is much grace to be obtained even when only venial sins are committed:

Without being strictly necessary, confession of everyday faults (venial sins) is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church. Indeed the regular confession of our venial sins helps us form our conscience, fight against evil tendencies, let ourselves be healed by Christ and progress in the life of the Spirit. (CCC 1458)

For many years, I neglected this great sacrament. I would go two or three times a year, mainly out of habit. I confessed the same sins each time, carefully avoiding any that were too controversial. My spiritual life was stuck in a rut and I wasn’t making any substantial progress in avoiding sin. One day I heard something that changed my life: I learned that the pope went to Confession weekly! Realizing that I didn’t understand the power of the sacrament, I decided that I would start confessing my sins bi-weekly. The results were incredible…For the first time in my life, I started making progress in avoiding my “favorite” sins. The sacramental grace received in Confession was helping me to become a better person!

If it’s been a while since you’ve gone to Confession, I urge you to do as soon as possible. If you’re not sure what to say, simply ask the priest and he will guide you. If you’re concerned that the priest will reveal your sins to others, rest assured that he will not. He is forbidden (under threat of automatic excommunication) from revealing or making any use of any information heard in the confessional. If you’ve been carrying around guilt for a long time and wondering if God can ever forgive you…Hearing these words of absolution will assure you that God has indeed forgiven your sins!

God, the Father of mercies,

through the death and the resurrection of his Son

has reconciled the world to himself

and sent the Holy Spirit among us

for the forgiveness of sins;

through the ministry of the Church

may God give you pardon and peace,

and I absolve you from your sins

in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Prayer
KEYWORDS: catholic; conscience; penance; sacraments
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Gary Zimak is the founder of Following The Truth Ministries (http://www.followingthetruth.com), a lay apostolate created to assist Catholics in learning more about their Faith. He is a regular guest on EWTN Radio’s “Son Rise Morning Show”, Ave Maria Radio’s “Catholic Connection with Teresa Tomeo” and appears frequently on several other Catholic radio programs.  In addition to writing for CatholicLane. Mr. Zimak hosts a daily program on BlogTalkRadio and posts frequently on his blog, Facebook and Twitter.  He is a member of Catholics United For The Faith and the Knights of Columbus and resides in New Jersey.


1 posted on 12/28/2011 10:49:35 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Ping!


2 posted on 12/28/2011 10:51:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Personal confession, to God, you bet it is.
We can now go boldly to the throne of God, there is no ‘veil’, its been torn.

Confession to a priest? Not so much.


3 posted on 12/28/2011 10:53:25 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RoadGumby

Just a bit of Holy, Inerrant Scripture for you:
I. Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins

John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, “as the Father sent me, so I send you.” As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.

John 20:22 - the Lord “breathes” on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord “breathes” divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.

John 20:23 - Jesus says, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to “men.” Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles’ successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?

Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the “Son of man” has authority to forgive sins on earth.

Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus’ authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.

Matt. 18:18 - the apostles are given authority to bind and loose. The authority to bind and loose includes administering and removing the temporal penalties due to sin. The Jews understood this since the birth of the Church.

John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 - the power to remit/retain sin is also the power to remit/retain punishment due to sin. If Christ’s ministers can forgive the eternal penalty of sin, they can certainly remit the temporal penalty of sin (which is called an “indulgence”).

2 Cor. 2:10 - Paul forgives in the presence of Christ (some translations refer to the presences of Christ as “in persona Christi”). Some say that this may also be a reference to sins.

2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance.

James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man’s authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess our sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.

1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.

Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.


4 posted on 12/28/2011 11:00:12 AM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: Salvation

Well,to be all nit-picky, it’s “ordinarily necessary.”

Viewed apart from the sacramental side, it is also a chance, strangely declined by many, to live into the truth that God’s forgiveness is FAR more important than the opprobrium of men.


5 posted on 12/28/2011 11:03:12 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: RoadGumby

How do you know your sins are forgiven?

Through the Sacrament of Confession God forgives our sins and FORGETS them!

Now that’s a blessing!


6 posted on 12/28/2011 11:05:46 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sayuncledave

Well, you may do so at your leisure, I’ll still elect to take them right to the One In Charge, thank you.


7 posted on 12/28/2011 11:07:15 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Salvation

Here in the Hartford area, there is only ONE parish that (I know of that) offers daily noon-time confession. I have to travel 20 minutes during my lunch break to get there.

There is always a line of 5-20 people. The wait time is 15-45 minutes, even with the priest encouraging quick but thoughtful confessions. Sometimes they bring in a second priest.

I would like to see more parishes offer at least one weekday noon penance. It is difficult (not impossible, but difficult) for working people with kids to make it to a weekend confession.


8 posted on 12/28/2011 11:09:20 AM PST by kidd
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To: Salvation

By my confessing them to God, I know.


9 posted on 12/28/2011 11:11:28 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: sayuncledave; RoadGumby

There you go trying to get a protestant to actually pay attention to evidencce direct from the Holy Bible. You must know by now that they only listen to what some guy in a cheap polyester suit with no actual formal training in the Bible tells them what he thinks the Bible says.


10 posted on 12/28/2011 11:12:55 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: sayuncledave; RoadGumby

There you go trying to get a protestant to actually pay attention to evidencce direct from the Holy Bible. You must know by now that they only listen to what some guy in a cheap polyester suit with no actual formal training in the Bible tells them what he thinks the Bible says.


11 posted on 12/28/2011 11:13:26 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: Salvation

Well, in the East we still regard it as necessary: the minimum standard being 1) at least once a year; 2) to return to communion after willfully “absenting [oneself] from the synaxis” (i.e. not going to church) for a period of three weeks or more; and 3) after the commission of any grievous sin. Antiochians in North America tend to confess (when (2) and (3) don’t apply) two to four times a year, though some of our priests and hierarchs have tried to encourage monthly confession.

Of course a lot of Slavs still stick by the one-confession, one-communion rule (which sometimes leads to receiving communion of the Holy Mysteries about four times a year, but ought instead lead to more frequent confession).


12 posted on 12/28/2011 11:18:17 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Salvation

We are told to confess our sins one to another. However I like to go to G-d through Yashua to be forgiven not to some mortal.


13 posted on 12/28/2011 11:18:17 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: kidd
It is difficult ... for working people with kids to make it to a weekend confession.
How so? You put the kids in the car and go.
Ah, just how many times a month/year do you have something to confess?
14 posted on 12/28/2011 11:19:16 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: RoadGumby

It would sound as though you have experienced visions or messages of some kind to know that.

Please enlighten us.

How can you know God’s mind?


15 posted on 12/28/2011 11:20:30 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SkyDancer

Did you read the article?

If you did then you know the priest is ...................

Please go back and read it.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 11:22:22 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: verga

As opposed to someone who feels that you have no understanding at all and need to do as told, in Latin no less?

The bible is in plain English now, not Latin. The veil was not torn so that a man could put it back up again.

And I forgot about how the woman with the issue of blood made prayer to Peter first.

And how the little children should be allowed to come to Jesus, but only after giving 2 pence to Judas first.

The confessional is nothing less than a modern ‘Holy of Holies’. And is as relevant.


17 posted on 12/28/2011 11:22:42 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: verga

You really think every protestant church is how you’ve said they are?

You really want to go pointing fingers at the clergy of other denominations?

If I painted the Roman church with the same broad brush you painted all the other denominations, I’d say you ought to never leave your kids alone for 5 seconds with any priest.


18 posted on 12/28/2011 11:24:13 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: All
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19 posted on 12/28/2011 11:24:32 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mad Dawg

Another side of it is that only having it for an hour on Saturday for a parish of 1000+ families doesn’t really give the impression of real importance.

Freegards


20 posted on 12/28/2011 11:24:59 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Salvation

Visions? No.

Gods mind? Who can know beyond what He has revealed to us?

I did read though. Jesus did say that if we confess our sins, He’d throw them over Hos shoulder (or away) into the Sea of Forgetfulness, as far as the esat is from the west. (IF we’ll confess to a priest....., nope that part isn’t there).

Paul wrote, (under inspiration I think we can agree) that we can, ourselves, solo, go to the throne with our prayers, our confessions, we can speak directly. The veil is gone.


21 posted on 12/28/2011 11:27:30 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: oh8eleven
You put the kids in the car and go. Ah, just how many times a month/year do you have something to confess?

Difficult, not impossible. Try to get three boys (ages 9-12) to stop playing outside to go to church at 3 o'clock. As far as my frequency of confession, that is none of your business, but I try to make confession a regular practice.

It is easier to spend a lunch hour waiting in line during the week.

22 posted on 12/28/2011 11:30:58 AM PST by kidd
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To: RoadGumby
You say something about what Paul wrote, but are you ignoring what JESUS said as quoted in the article? I'll take Jesus any day over St. Paul!

 For one thing, that’s how the Lord designed the sacrament. In John 20:21-23, Jesus breathed on the Apostles and said “Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” Careful observation of Jesus’ words will show that while He is giving the Apostles the ability to forgive sins, they are also receiving the authority to make a judgment. There are certain cases where absolution may be denied and that decision would be impossible without knowing the details of the offense. Therefore, verbal confession of sins is necessary. Another very logical argument for confessing your sins to another individual is that we tend to be very lenient with ourselves. Jesus was well aware of our human nature when He instituted the sacrament of Confession. Verbalizing your sins to another individual requires a much greater level of humility than confessing them in your own mind. Throughout the gospels, Our Lord stressed the importance of humility for His followers and this is one more way to practice that virtue.

23 posted on 12/28/2011 11:42:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ransomed

Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, points out that to want more opportunities for confession is to want more priestly vocations. We have our prayer work cut out for us.

We have 3,010 families, 1k students, 3 friars. They really took confession opportunities up a notch the last week of Advent including having a “confess-a-thon” (my irreverent coinage) with 6-8 friars from DC. We’re pretty well-served, especially for folks who live near the church.


24 posted on 12/28/2011 11:45:49 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: kidd
Try to get three boys (ages 9-12) to stop playing outside to go to church ...
I did, with two boys. My father did too, with three boys and three girls. His father did it with six boys and a girl.

It is easier to spend a lunch hour waiting in line during the week.
So your kids don't go?
25 posted on 12/28/2011 11:49:12 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
I did, with two boys.

Good for you.

So your kids don't go?

Yes they do.

26 posted on 12/28/2011 12:03:46 PM PST by kidd
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To: Salvation

As a practicing Catholic, I think it’s a shame that a lot of Catholics no longer adhere to this Sacrament. The healing power of Absolution from confession sustains me and helps me overcome my transgressions.


27 posted on 12/28/2011 12:07:59 PM PST by bjcoop
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To: RoadGumby

The Bible shows how the authority of forgiveness of sins was given to Jesus’s apostles. Also, the sacrament of Confession allows us to feel the extreme shame in going in and confessing our sins. We are supposed to feel shame in hurting God. “Confessing directly” as you put it, does not have that. Going through an actual confession in the Catholic Church makes you feel that inspiring power of being unchained from one’s sins.


28 posted on 12/28/2011 12:11:34 PM PST by bjcoop
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To: Mad Dawg

**Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, points out that to want more opportunities for confession is to want more priestly vocations. We have our prayer work cut out for us.**

Another thing with the prayer is to have it going on 24/7 in an Adoration Chapel at your church. The repentent will come, the youth will decide to be priests or lead a religious life.

I’ve heard it said that these two things:
Long confession lines
Vocations

Are the mark of a growing church.

Our one priest had to schedule four extra days for confessions and they were all full with at least 20 or more waiting for an hour of Confession.


29 posted on 12/28/2011 12:13:18 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bjcoop

They have no idea on all the sanctifying and actual graces flowing out of the Sacrament of Penance, do they?


30 posted on 12/28/2011 12:14:43 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

No they do not. The cleansing of our soul through it is nothing that can be emulated.


31 posted on 12/28/2011 12:20:52 PM PST by bjcoop
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To: Salvation

We are working on developing perpetual Adoration. You’d think we could do it with a parish our size.

For the past two Lents we’ve had Adoration from Ash Wednesday to the Triduum. And I’m surreptitiously gathering a group to pray every day for better Eucharistic catechesis. So we’ll get there. Storm heaven, sez me.


32 posted on 12/28/2011 12:34:38 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: RoadGumby

Actually, I go to Confession every couple of weeks or so. And thus, I take “them right to the One In Charge.” And as the article says, yes, it is still necessary. And still, and always, a blessing, Deo Gratias.


33 posted on 12/28/2011 12:38:37 PM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: Salvation

And yet you pray to Paul. I’ll pray to Jesus. You confess to a man, I’ll confess to Jesus.

You do as you wish, work out your salvation, Salvation. I will trust in the Lord, not a man.

I picture Jesus listening to Paul saying “Jesus, Salvation has prayed for such and such.”

Jesus says “I wonder why I didn;t hear from him direct?”


34 posted on 12/28/2011 12:40:10 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: bjcoop

WHO are you to say what is felt at the altar? Or during confession? It is a personal time, not a community one.

You like the feeling of having a middle man between you and God? Have at it.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 12:47:57 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: sayuncledave

Every couple weeks?

How about daily? Or perhaps even when the sin happens?

Confession is actually a pretty important part of prayer. Part of drawing near, so He will draw near to you.


36 posted on 12/28/2011 12:51:41 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Salvation

The priest is human just like anyone else. I don’t think going to a seminary and taking vows makes him any better than talking with a friend. Only Yashua can forgive sins.


37 posted on 12/28/2011 12:59:23 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: bjcoop

Ps 116:

I love the Lord, He hears my prayers and answers them;
He bends to listen and I shall pray to Him for as long as I live.


38 posted on 12/28/2011 1:10:47 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Mad Dawg

We have our prayer work cut out for us.

***
Indeed, we do!


39 posted on 12/28/2011 1:14:23 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Salvation

If those “common objections” cited by the author are coming from Catholics, there is a serious problem with catechesis in the Church.


40 posted on 12/28/2011 1:16:25 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: oh8eleven
How so? You put the kids in the car and go. Ah, just how many times a month/year do you have something to confess?

Friends of ours adopted 6 kids, and are currently fostering 2 more. The whole family goes to biweekly if not weekly confession.

41 posted on 12/28/2011 1:35:47 PM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: RoadGumby

Part of the problem is that when we talk about confession some think that’s the only way we pray about our sins. It isn’t.

Yes, certainly, at the end of the day. An optional part of “night prayer” is a little “self-exam” and prayer for forgiveness.
Yes, certainly at the moment we notice the sin.
A “rote prayer” or an extempore prayer expressing contrition and asking for help are common practices.

Aside from anything else, we pray so that we can pray more until every moment is a moment of prayer. We want to live with IHS, and we may!


42 posted on 12/28/2011 1:47:52 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: RoadGumby
As opposed to someone who feels that you have no understanding at all and need to do as told, in Latin no less?

You do know that the first Bible was written in wait for it.......Koine (Greek for the New Testament) and also Hebrew (Mark). The Old testament was written first in Hebrew then later Translated into Greek (The Septuagint) The translation was completed long Before Christ walked among us.

The bible is in plain English now, not Latin. The veil was not torn so that a man could put it back up again.Actually the Bible is written not only in English but also in approximately 125 other languages. The tearing of the veil was was symbolic of Jesus victory over death and had NOTHING to do with confession.

OAnd I forgot about how the woman with the issue of blood made prayer to Peter first.

Actually if you had read closely you would know that the issue was that she was trying to treat him as God, where Catholics believe that the Priest is acting "In persona Christi" In place of Christ, which is what Jesus told the Apostles to do.

And how the little children should be allowed to come to Jesus, but only after giving 2 pence to Judas first.

I have no clue what this even means, even when I was a protestant I never said anything this nonsensical.

The confessional is nothing less than a modern ‘Holy of Holies’. And is as relevant.

The Holy of Holies was the place where the people representatives went to meet God since no one could look on the face of God. Your comparison really has no basis ion reality and I really don't see the relevance of your comments. Oh wait I get it you couldn't refute the Bible verses so you used the logical fallacies of red herrings and straw men to try and divert the debate.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to inform the lurkers of the Truth of the Catholic Faith while effortlessly dimantling what I guess was your best argument.

43 posted on 12/28/2011 1:57:58 PM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: Secret Agent Man
You really think every protestant church is how you’ve said they are?

Darn few Protestant ministers have more than a Bachelors degree. Catholic Priests are required to have a Masters of Divinity degree. What are the requires to start a New Protestant denomination? Since there are over 30,000 I guess they aren't that strict.

You really want to go pointing fingers at the clergy of other denominations?

If I painted the Roman church with the same broad brush you painted all the other denominations, I’d say you ought to never leave your kids alone for 5 seconds with any priest.

You really wannna go there? Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggert. Google "Baptist Predators" , "Protestant minister scandals" and "Protestant Minister abuse"

I think you need to get the log out of your own eye before taking shots at the Catholic Church.

44 posted on 12/28/2011 2:12:09 PM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: verga

I’ve been saying for years...being a catholic, a boy scout leader, a teacher, a minister, a clown - doesn’t make a person a predator. Rather, people with those inclinations are naturally drawn to that type of work, knowing they will have access to children.

We have seen for years, “if only priests were allowed to marry....blah blah blah”

Time after time, we see married ministers,married teachers, and now “well respected” married athletic coaches being outed for what they really are.

It would be nice to see christians tackling this problem in unison, rather than pretending that only those folks “over there” need to worry about it wouldn’t it?


45 posted on 12/28/2011 2:18:33 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Salvation; bjcoop
They have no idea on all the sanctifying and actual graces flowing out of the Sacrament of Penance, do they?

I returned to the Catholic Church more than a few years ago, and that first confession after my absence was so liberating. It felt like I was floating 2 feet off the ground. When I walked in the door back home my wife knew immediately that I had gone and she told me I had an almost ethereal glow about me.

46 posted on 12/28/2011 2:19:04 PM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: Salvation
Great article, thanks for posting.

No greater weight has been lifted off my shoulders or burdens of a heavy heart than when I hear the words, "I absolve you from your sins, in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit." What a true blessing the Sacrament of Confession is!

47 posted on 12/28/2011 4:39:41 PM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: RoadGumby

It’s not a middle man. The priest is anointed by God and exercising HIS authority. Also, the human race as a whole is supposed to operate as a unit when it comes to our faith and not solely “personal”.


48 posted on 12/28/2011 9:11:36 PM PST by bjcoop
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To: verga

Many protestant preachers have NO religious training or divinity degrees. Some are just merely elected by the congregants because they allegedly know the Bible


49 posted on 12/28/2011 9:13:33 PM PST by bjcoop
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To: SkyDancer

The priest is called by God to exercise his will.


50 posted on 12/28/2011 9:17:11 PM PST by bjcoop
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