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Hundreds more Church of England defections (to Catholic Church) expected
Telegraph ^ | December 28, 2011 | Martin Beckford

Posted on 12/28/2011 11:54:02 AM PST by NYer

At least 20 clergy and several hundred of their parishioners are already lined up to join the Ordinariate, the new structure set up by the Pope a year ago that allows them to remain some of their Anglican heritage while entering into full communion with the Holy See.

But many more members of the Anglo-Catholic wing of the Church of England are likely to defect following a critical meeting of its governing body, the General Synod, if traditionalists who cannot accept the ordination of women are denied special provision.

The head of the Ordinariate, Mgr Keith Newton, told The Daily Telegraph: “There are in the region of 15 to 20 people who I think will be coming over this year. These are ordained Anglicans who wish to petition the Holy See for ordination.”

He said they are likely to bring a “couple of hundred” worshippers with them in a second wave of defections, following the 60 clergy and about 1,000 lay people who crossed the Tiber last year.

Mgr Newton, a former Anglican “flying bishop” who is now officially known as the Ordinary of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, went on: “Then next year it depends a little bit on what the Synod decides to do.

“But you can’t become a Catholic because you simply want to escape the problems of the Church of England – you have to want to become a Catholic.”

He believes the Synod vote on women bishops, at which all three "houses" of the Church's parliament must back the historic move by a two-thirds majority, is on a “knife-edge” with only a handful of votes needed to swing it either way.


(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: anglican; cofe; episcopal

1 posted on 12/28/2011 11:54:13 AM PST by NYer
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Keith Newton, centre, on the day he was ordained into the Roman Catholic Church at Westminster Cathedral.
2 posted on 12/28/2011 11:55:22 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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3 posted on 12/28/2011 12:15:22 PM PST by sr4402
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To: NYer

No ordination of Women.

It is against Catholic Church rules. If the Catholic Church accepts this as an exception they may as well close their doors.


4 posted on 12/28/2011 12:24:08 PM PST by Venturer
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To: sr4402
how daft does one get to paste a picture about India on a thread about folks in England?

very daft

5 posted on 12/28/2011 12:28:53 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: sr4402

6 posted on 12/28/2011 12:29:26 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Venturer

The only thing that will allow the Ordinariate experiment to work is for the Pope to establish a Uniate Anglican Church with its own canon law and autonomy like the Melkites or Ukrainians.


7 posted on 12/28/2011 12:29:42 PM PST by rzman21
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To: sr4402

St. Augustine of Kent, the missionary who started the conversion of the Anglo-Saxons to Christianity

8 posted on 12/28/2011 12:30:54 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: sr4402

St. Augustine of Kent, the missionary who started the conversion of the Anglo-Saxons to Christianity

9 posted on 12/28/2011 12:31:32 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: sr4402
Pope Gregory the great sent St. Augustine to convert the Angles

From Newadvent

The event which afforded Pope Gregory the opportunity he had so long desired of carrying out his great missionary plan in favour of the English happened in the year 595 or 596. A rumour had reached Rome that the pagan inhabitants of Britain were ready to embrace the Faith in great numbers, if only preachers could be found to instruct them.

The pope was obliged to complain of the lack of episcopal zeal among Aethelberht Christian neighbours. Whether we are to understand the phrase ex vicinis (Greg., Epp., VI) as referring to Gaulish prelates or to the Celtic bishops of northern and western Britain, the fact remains that neither Bertha's piety, nor Luidhard's preaching, nor Aethelberht's toleration, nor the supposedly robust faith of British or Gaulish neighbouring peoples was found adequate to so obvious an opportunity until a Roman pontiff, distracted with the cares of a world supposed to be hastening to its eclipse, first exhorted forty Benedictines of Italian blood to the enterprise.

The promised interview between the king and the missionaries took place within a few days. It was held in the open air, sub divo, says Bede (Bede, H.E., I, xxv), on a level spot, probably under a spreading oak in deference to the king's dread of Augustine's possible incantations. His fear, however, was dispelled by the native grace of manner and the kindly personality of his chief guest who addressed him through an interpreter. The message told "how the compassionate Jesus had redeemed a world of sin by His own agony and opened the Kingdom of Heaven to all who would believe" (Aelfric, ap. Haddan and Stubbs, III, ii). The king's answer, while gracious in its friendliness, was curiously prophetic of the religious after-temper of his race. "Your words and promised are very fair" he is said to have replied, "but as they are new to us and of uncertain import, I cannot assent to them and give up what I have long held in common with the whole English nation. But since you have come as strangers from so great a distance, and, as I take it, are anxious to have us also share in what you conceive to be both excellent and true, we will not interfere with you, but receive you, rather, in kindly hospitality and take care to provide what may be necessary for your support. Moreover, we make no objection to your winning as many converts as you can to your creed". (Bede, H.E., I, xxv.)

The king more than made good his words. He invited the missionaries to take up their abode in the royal capital of Canterbury, then a barbarous and half-ruined metropolis, built by the Kentish folk upon the site of the old Roman military town of Durovernum. In spite of the squalid character of the city, the monks must have made an impressive picture as they drew near the abode "over against the King.' Street facing the north", a detail preserved in William Thorne's (c. 1397) "Chronicle of the Abbots of St. Augustine's Canterbury," p. 1759, assigned them for a dwelling. The striking circumstances of their approach seem to have lingered long in popular remembrance; for Bede, writing fully a century and a third after the event, is at pains to describe how they came in characteristic Roman fashion (more suo) bearing "the holy cross together with a picture of the Sovereign King, Our Lord Jesus Christ and chanting in unison this litany", as they advanced: "We beseech thee, O Lord, in the fulness of thy pity that Thine anger and Thy holy wrath be turned away from this city and from Thy holy house, because we have sinned: Alleluia!" It was an anthem out of one of the many "Rogation" litanies then beginning to be familiar in the churches of Gaul and possibly not unknown also at Rome. (Martène, "De antiquis Ecclesiae ritibus", 1764, III, 189; Bede, "H.E.", II, xx; Joanes Diac., "De Vita Gregorii", II, 17 in Migne, P.L., LXXXV; Duchesne's ed., "Liber Pontificalis", II, 12.)

And now they return. Time for the reconversion of the British Isles!

10 posted on 12/28/2011 12:36:40 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: sr4402

Exactly what is the point of your post??

The story is about the C of E converts in England. Are you geographically confused??


11 posted on 12/28/2011 12:37:41 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Venturer

the matter has been closed. the Pope said he and his successors have no authority to change this to put in pastoresses. It ain’t gonna happen.


12 posted on 12/28/2011 12:38:20 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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I’m pretty confident in Benedict.....he won’t make an exception for these womyn.


13 posted on 12/28/2011 12:38:50 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Venturer

The ordination of women is a Marxist “gender hierarchy” idea—a method to destroy Christianity from within. This stealth infiltration of all Christian religions-—even the Catholic Church during Vatican II and with the infiltration of homosexuals and “women” ordination is about denial of the nature of men and women. It is to destroy any biological differences between the sexes to make them interchangeable.....makes children wards of the state with no nurturing mother in the home. It is the War of the Sexes-—the dialectic to ignore the role of men and role of women and make them hate each other. Feminism was founded by Friedan—a Communist-—the HOmosexual movement founded by Hays, also a Communist.

Cultural Marxists want to destroy the traditions of the culture—destroy the role of the patriarchy—the role of “mother”. It is designed to destroy the family unit—which ultimately destroys the children and the transmission of morality and culture which is only done by a nurturing mother in the home for the early childhood—through age 7. The state wants little children so they can shape their thinking-—create little hedonist marxists—who have no loyalty to a mother and father.

Virtue is only passed down through the family unit. Without virtue, there is no free societies. The state schools destroy virtue and teach children to elevate feelings over intellect. They never teach, they indoctrinate.

Women are naturally more emotional than men-—and as such are much more likely to be swayed by emotion than intellect. This will destroy any religion that is rational—such as Christianity—which for centuries has been based on intellectual debates, based on reason—not “feelings” that the Marxists prize—”feel good—do it”. Very few women are like a Margaret Thatcher who do not let emotion determine policy. It is extremely rare and unnatural.

It is all planned by the Cultural Marxists in the 1930’s—and Marcuse in the 1950’s continued to infiltrate all our institutions—Foundations, publishing houses, schools to destroy the reason and logic and science which created the strongest most free nation in the history of mankind.

You need a mother protecting and shaping children—always and a man to provide for her to stay home and protect and nurture the mind of the young-—otherwise you get men like Charles Manson.

There are roles in the family-—which function for the optimal flourishing of human beings. Deny children their biological mothers and/or fathers and destroy that difference and you will reap chaos—just what the Marxists want.


14 posted on 12/28/2011 12:44:47 PM PST by savagesusie
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Tyburn – the site of London’s present-day Marble Arch – was a place of execution from the 12th century until 1783. During the religious persecutions of the 16th and 17th centuries, many of the gallow’s victims were Catholics.

15 posted on 12/28/2011 12:44:47 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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All I can say is “Welcome Home.!


16 posted on 12/28/2011 12:45:03 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Will it be just hundreds, or will it be thousands or millions?


17 posted on 12/28/2011 1:40:48 PM PST by iowamark
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18 posted on 12/28/2011 3:59:40 PM PST by narses
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Ordination of women is wrong because Jesus chose not to, and to do it today would be accusing Jesus of sexism.

In the coming years, you will see a group of “serious” churches (which can trace their theology to the Bible) survive as such, and many of the former churches (including the remnants of the Episcopal church) reduced to the status of Reverend Wright/Reverend Sharpton/Reverend Jackson churches - social and political organizations completely bereft of Christianity.


19 posted on 12/30/2011 5:02:10 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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True-—we are already seeing the demise of many pseudo-Christian churches (thank goodness). We just need the Christian Churches to teach the concept of “sin” again with no deviation from the Bible. Many have become “cowed” by pop culture.


20 posted on 12/30/2011 1:58:06 PM PST by savagesusie
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“We just need the Christian Churches to teach the concept of “sin” again with no deviation from the Bible.”

The Churches will do this when they realize that the secular state is their biggest threat; they are so determined to co-exist peacefully it has compromised them. They need to separate the wheat from the chaff in their own congregations, then spread the real Word.


21 posted on 12/30/2011 2:42:03 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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