Posted on 12/28/2011 5:47:17 PM PST by rzman21
permanently set AGAINST man made teachings and pagan practices.
>>Like getting slain in the Spirit. Elevating personal taste and ego over the Bible, etc.
Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, etc. are all man-made teachings invented by mentally troubled men in the 16th century.
It’s a free country. Believe what you want. But your anti-intellectualism isn’t doing anything to prevent Evangelicalism from rotting from within under the influences of postmodernism.
The bible does not describe itself - the Catholic bishops defined what the bible consists of, and the man Luther deleted a dozen books 1500 years later.
Catholics at least claim the authority that Luther himself exercised. Oddly enough you recognize both the Catholic bishops’ authoritative definition of the New Testament and Luther’s authoritative definition of the Old Testament. Sucker.
Maybe she should consider the LCMS or WELS.
One must wish to repent and become Christian, else all is lost.
The bible does not describe itself - the Catholic bishops defined what the bible consists of, and the man Luther deleted a dozen books 1500 years later.
>>Discovered the Bible with the aid of the Holy Spirit.
Catholics at least claim the authority that Luther himself exercised. Oddly enough you recognize both the Catholic bishops’ authoritative definition of the New Testament and Luther’s authoritative definition of the Old Testament. Sucker.
>>Small problem. Luther said James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation were apocryphal, yet Fundamentalists base their religion on Revelation.
Maybe Revelation is apocryphal and they just don’t know it.
Yes, yes. In the words of a famous convert, John Henry Newman:
Parochial and Plain Sermons, Vol. VIII
John Henry Newman
SERMON XIII. Truth Hidden When Not Sought After.
“They shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”—2 Timothy 4:4.
From these words of the blessed Apostle, written shortly before he suffered martyrdom, we learn, that there is such a thing as religious truth, and therefore there is such a thing as religious error. We learn that religious truth is one—and therefore that all views of religion but one are wrong. And we learn, moreover, that so it was to be (for his words are a prophecy) that professed Christians, forgetting this, should turn away their ears from the one Truth, and should be turned, not to one, but to many fables. All this is fulfilled before our eyes; our religious creeds and professions at this day are many; but Truth is one: therefore they cannot all be right, or rather almost all of them must be wrong. That is, the multitude of men are wrong, so far as they differ, and as they differ, not about trivial points, but about great matters, it follows that the multitude of men, whether by their own fault or not, are wrong even in the greater matters of religion.
This is a most solemn thought, and a perplexing one. However, there is another which, though it ought not to be perplexing, is perplexing still, and perhaps has greater need to be considered and explained; I mean that men of learning and ability are so often wrong in religious matters also. It is a stumbling-block to many, when they find that those who seem the legitimate guides furnished by God’s providence, who are in some sense the natural prophets and expounders of the truth, that these too are on many sides, and therefore many of them on the side of error also. There are persons who can despise the opinions of the many, and feel that they are not right, but that truth, if it be to be found, lies with the few; and since men of ability are among the few, they think that truth lies with men of ability, and when after all they are told that able men are ranged on contrary sides in religious questions, they either hastily deny the fact, or they are startled, and stagger in their faith.
But on the contrary, let us honestly confess what is certain, that not the ignorant, or weakminded, or dull, or enthusiastic, or extravagant only turn their ears from the Truth and are turned unto fables, but also men of powerful minds, keen perceptions, extended views, ample and various knowledge. Let us, I say, confess it; yet let us not believe in the Truth the less on account of it.
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Read his marvelous sermon in its entirety here:
Ever hear of Nestorianism? The Antiochenes were anathematized by the Council of Ephesus for dividing Jesus into two persons.
Check your history.
Now why would I or any other Christian worry about what one of your religious councils determined???
No doubt in my mind that the Nestorians deemed your religion as heretical...They refused to bow down to your pope and that puts them to the top of the scale in my book...
You haven’t shown any such thing...Not a single time...
>>That’s what you get wearing blinders. After all, what is or is not Biblical is a matter of personal taste.
If the scriptures aren’t literal, why did God have them written...Practicing a comedy routine???
>>Begging the question aren’t we.
The School of Antioch wasn’t influenced by Nominalist reasoning unlike that undergirding your theology.
And your way of thinking has nothing in common with St. John Chrysostom who was probably the most famous orthodox Antiochene theologian.
The Syriac fathers also were among the ones who pushed the hardest for the literal interpretation of Matthew 16:18, which your sect rejects.
Now why would I or any other Christian worry about what one of your religious councils determined???
>>Maybe because you don’t worry because you aren’t a Christian. :)
I don't quite get you there. How could Mary be sinless? Was she virgin borne? What would that have to do with Christs sinlessness? Are you saying that the children die for the sins of the parents, and therefor Christ death was justified if Mary sinned?
Don't get it, you will have to explain.
Deacon: This is the faith of the apostles! This is the faith of the fathers! This is the Orthodox faith! This faith has established the universe!
Furthermore, we accept and confirm the councils of the holy fathers, and their traditions and writings which are agreeable to divine revelation.
And though the enemies of Orthodoxy oppose this providence and the saving revelation of the Lord, yet the Lord has considered the reproaches of His servants, for He mocks those who blaspheme His Glory, and has challenged the enemies of Orthodoxy and put them to flight!
As we therefore bless and praise those who have obeyed the divine revelation and have fought for it; so we reject and anathematize those who oppose this truth, if while waiting for their return and repentance, they refuse to turn again to the Lord; and in this we follow the sacred tradition of the ancient Church, holding fast to her traditions.
To those who deny the existence of God, and assert that the world is self-existing, and that all things in it occur by chance, and not by the providence of God, Anathema!
All: Anathema! (...and after each exclamation.)
Deacon: To those who say that God is not spirit, but flesh; or that He is not just, merciful, wise and all-knowing, and utter similar blasphemies, Anathema!
To those who dare to say that the Son of God and also the Holy Spirit are not one in essence and of equal honor with the Father, and confess that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not one God, Anathema!
To those who foolishly say that the coming of the Son of God into the world in the flesh, and His voluntary passion, death, and resurrection were not necessary for our salvation and the cleansing of sins, Anathema!
To those who reject the grace of redemption preached by the Gospel as the only means of our justification before God, Anathema!
To those who dare to say that the all-pure Virgin Mary was not virgin before giving birth, during birthgiving, and after her child-birth, Anathema!
To those who do not believe that the Holy Spirit inspired the prophets and apostles, and by them taught us the true way to eternal salvation, and confirmed this by miracles, and now dwells in the hearts of all true and faithful Christians, and teaches them in all truth, Anathema!
To those who reject the immortality of the soul, the end of time, the future judgment, and eternal reward for virtue and condemnation for sin, Anathema!
To those who reject all the holy mysteries held by the Church of Christ, Anathema!
To those who reject the Councils of the holy fathers and their traditions, which are agreeable to divine revelation and kept piously by the Orthodox Catholic Church, Anathema!
To those who mock and profane the holy images and relics which the holy Church receives as revelations of God’s work and of those pleasing to Him, to inspire their beholders with piety, and to arouse them to follow these examples; and to those who say that they are idols, Anathema!
To those who dare to say and teach that our Lord Jesus Christ did not descend to earth, but only seemed to; or that He did not descend to the earth and become incarnate only once, but many times, and who likewise deny that the true Wisdom of the Father is His only-begotten Son, Anathema!
To the followers of the occult, spiritualists, wizards, and all who do not believe in the one God, but honor the demons; or who do not humbly give their lives over to God, but strive to learn the future through sorcery, Anathema!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATmuhI-vpY
Very enlightening. Thanks for the information.
Thanks for your comments. I suspect that Catholics and Protestants have more in common than some would like to admit. The differences are significant and not to be ignored, but if each of us is open to the leading of the Holy Spirit and strives maintain a spirit of humility and charity towards those who disagree with us, a lot of unnecessary conflict would be avoided.
So what???
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