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Posted on 12/30/2011 10:28:24 PM PST by Zakeet
As the year comes to an end and the followers of Warren Jeffs await the apocalypse he has predicted, they're living under a challenging edict: they're forbidden to have sex until Jeffs is sprung from a Texas prison.
"He has predicted that the walls in the prison where he's at will fall and crumble," said Joni Holm, who has many relatives in the polygamous FLDS faith.
According to Holm, Fundamentalist LDS Church members also face their faith's most severe punishment, excommunication, if they conceive a child.
It's one of the strangest edicts in a season full of them. Jeffs has issued a stream of revelations, prophecies and orders to his congregation in the border community of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz.
According to Holm, Jeffs declared all existing marriages to be void.
"Right now they have all been told that they are not to live as husband and wife," Holm said. "They can live in the same house, but they are not to have sexual relationships until Warren comes out and 're-seals' them."
If FLDS members have sex on the sly, any resulting children will be considered "sons of perdition," according to Holm's brother-in-law, and the parents will be instantly excommunicated.
The sex ban will be lifted only if Jeffs' latest prophecy comes true: an apocalypse that will bring down the prison walls and broil the human race.
"They believe that they'll still roam on the Earth," Holm said, "but the rest of us will be burned."
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Up to now, chaste meant waste.
They look so happy.
they’re forbidden to have sex until Jeffs is sprung from a Texas prison.
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That is ironic considering they are polygamists...
It sounds like Mr. Jeffs pops out of a clock every 15 minutes.
Sounds like the “If I can`t get some, NOBODY CAN!!!” Edict....Nothing more..LOL
That’s what it sounds like to me.
That’s not fair! Warren is having plenty daily sex in prison. His “buddies” there ALL HAVE HIS CELL NUMBER.
That is exactly what I thought. What a petty little man this guy must be.
I feel bad for the women who were brought up in that. They don’t know any better. I’m ticked off at the authorities that have looked the other way about polygamy for years.
Rather like the N.Korean population under Kim Il....brainwashed and follow the leader....it’s what happens when people turn their faith toward another other than Christ Jesus...there will be one to fill the void quickly and burrow in deep.
Jim Jones group also comes to mind. Foolish and ignorant people who have swallowed the bait hook line and sinker.
There is something rather ominous about this entire affair. Already, photos that were released in the trial are being scrubbed. I tried to find a shot of his secret alter bed where he would rape his child brides and they don’t exist anymore. Perhaps the Romney bots know where they went?
Looking at that image of these women, I see the faces of women lost in an unfulfilled lifestyle that has departed from the master plan found in one man one woman. I feel sorry for them.
Hmmm...The Sons of Perdition...I think I played bass for those guys on a few gigs way back in the day.
According to numerous critics and outside observers, the imprisoned FLDS leader has sometimes acted through his brother Lyle and other times has spoken directly to his congregation over the phone from prison. He recently banned many of the things his followers enjoy: bicycles, ATVs, trampolines, even children’s toys. But the sex edict reaches into the bedrooms of all his devoted followers.
In recent weeks, FLDS members have reportedly faced intense, personal interviews with Lyle Jeffs to prove their loyalty and have been ordered to pay large financial assessments. Some members have been excommunicated. The process seems to be aimed at winnowing the FLDS down to Jeffs’ most faithful followers.
Texas officials are investigating whether Jeffs violated his prison phone privileges by calling his congregation.
Notice how much this ‘religion’ resembles Islam in the way they treat women?
Showing my ignorance here, but what is that and where is it? Thanks!
Well THAT just sucks!!!
Holms = Rehoboam II
Flds folks still obey the MOMRMON scriptures found in Doctrines & Covenants 132.
Salt LAke City 'mormons' don't.
A preposition is something you do NOT end a sentence with!
For anyone who may want to question 2ndDivisionVet, he's right.
Mitt's father, George W. Romney was born in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico, on July 8, 1907, to Gaskell Romney and Anna Amelia Pratt. Gaskell Romney wasn't a polygamist, but he was involved in the great card-shuffling as a result of the LDS concerns over U.S. government enforcement over the existing federal prohibition of polygamy. Gasket was born in St. George, Washington, Utah to Miles Park Romney and Hannah Hood Hill, one of his five wives.
They fled to a LDS polygamous compound in Mexico in 1884 and returned to the U.S. in 1912 due to the Mexican Revolution.
How did we get the fLDS and all of these other polygamous groups? First, the LDS church taught that polygamy was necessary for exaltation and to enter the Celestial Kingdom. That doctrine has never been removed from Doctrines & Covenants 132. Men may still be sealed in the Temple to more than two wives "for Eternity." The teachings have never been formally denied or refuted.
Second, although Smith taught polygamy as early as 1831 an practiced it by 1835 or earlier, and taught it to church leaders, it wasn't announced to members until 1852. This was and it still justified to LDS members on the grounds that God told Smith that the world was not ready for it and (and Apostle Dallin Oaks famously spoke about) Smith needed to protect the church). Smith publicly denied being a polygamist and he disclosure of his polygamy by the Nauvoo Expositor, and Smith's ordered destruction of it, led to his death.
When the U.S. government made the LDS church and Utah abandon polygamy in 1890 for the Utah statehood, Prophet Wilford Woodruff issued the 1890 Manifesto 'banning' polygam. However, only three Apostles approved it. Post-manifesto Woodruff took another wife, as did other Apostles. Woodruff and the Quorum of twelve participated in and approved polygamous marriages in America, Canada, Mexico and around the world.
After the Reed Smoot hearings, when the U.S. Senate refused to seat Utah Senator Smoot, the LDS church's deceptions were made public and the 1904 Manifesto was issued. However, existing polygamous families were not broken up and were allowed to live in peace until they aged out of existence in the 1950s and 1960s (which was the only humane thing to do). Only polygamists who caused trouble for the church were excommunicated.
Fundamentalists Mormons who didn't believe that the church should give into the government, who knew that the church had on more than one occasion justified continuing the practice while denying it publicly and to the government, didn't think that the church could keep the doctrine as part of the LDS gospel but have the authority to put man's views over God's.
So they continued to practice polygamy under their own charismatic leaders.
That's a Readers' Digest version. But the groups split off because they believed in Mormon scripture, and believed that if it had been okay to adhere to God's word before rather than man's, it was okay to keep doing it.
So we ended up with groups like these (most of them polygamist and some of which are defunct):
Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Zion's Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion's Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley's Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ "With the Elijah Message" (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)
Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lambs Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite)
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lambs Wife
Congregation of Jehovahs Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Perhaps it was your spelling...
I REALLY doubt that they care...
At LEAST I saw this beFORE breakfast!
That's saying it lightly!
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Ending a sentence with a preposition is a practice up with I will not put!
Jeffs is the "prophet" of a fundamentalist sect that split off from the mainstream Mormon church. His sect continues to believe in practicing polygamy as taught by the Mormon church from 1831 to 1890 (or 1904), as practiced by Mormon prophets Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and other prophets, leaders, and members, and as still in Mormon religious canon, most specifically Doctrines & Covenants 132.
There are certain cities in Utah (and in other states with a large LDS population) where there are pockets of Mormon fundamentalists who still practice polygamy under different prophets than the mainstream LDS church. The States of Utah and Arizona, for example, only deal with food stamp fraud and child abuse. The website for the Utah Attorney General says that the office has elected not to prosecute polygamy.
Jeffs opened another compound in Texas. There, he took child brides (as young as twelves, if I remember) and had ritual sex with on an obscene altar-like bed as others watched. Unlike Utah, the State of Texas didn't mess around. it prosecuted him. He's in jail. From there, he's still controlling his brainwashed mess who thinks its church is run by a man who is the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of God.
Would you like links to some of the articles about his trial, the teenage boys who are kicked, homeless, out of polygamist compounds because they are rivals for the young girls (the 'lost boys")? Places like Hilldale?
It's a fascinating sociological story if you have the stomach for it.
Sorry, Elsie. I tend to sugar-coat things. And I like to serve up softballs for you. I'm really surprised you didn't react to my piñata comment from last night.
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
And not to split infinitives, either.
Somewhere in this favored land,
the sun is shining bright;
I thought I gave that badboy a couple of good whacks!?
Warren Jeffs is the truest disciple of Jospeh Snith.
If one follows Snith, they are duty bound to follow Jeffs.
It’s that simple.
Damn if this is an example of their women not having sex would be doing the men a favor.
There’s just something about that blue dress....
As long as they aren’t filing a marriage certificate with the authorities, these polygamous marriages don’t exist, in the eyes of the government. It isn’t much different than the thugster in the innercity spreading his seed all over, is it? Isn’t there some pro football player that has an unbelievable number of kids with a number of women?
According to the evidence the white steps are provided for the kneeling of other spirit wives to observe the consummation, and record it.
I believe, at this time, it is on the third floor of the temple inside the fLDS compound outside of Eldorado, TX which is approximately 30 miles north of Sonora, TX.
For further information try searching “Warren Jeff's Trial.”
Who is crazier? Warren Jeffs or his followers?