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From Rome to Christ
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Posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:48 PM PST by Gamecock

Not many people get the opportunity to attend seminary. In an amazing way I have attended two. The first was training for the Roman Catholic priest­hood in Ireland and the second at a conservative Evangelical seminary in England.

Raised a Catholic . . . but not knowing God Like most boys in the Republic of Ireland in the 1980s, I was brought up a Roman Catholic. My parents taught me to live a good life, say my prayers, and attend mass every Sunday. I believed there was a God, but I didn't know him personally. I prayed as my mother taught me, but I never knew whether or not God was really listening. I attended confession monthly and did many penances. Conscious of my sinfulness, I hoped that God would accept me into heaven if I did enough good works. I tried to live the best life I could. It was like balancing the accounts, hoping that my credits (good works) would cancel my debits (sins). Zealous to please God, I was just eleven years old when I decided to become a Roman Catholic priest. I told the local priest, but he said I would have to wait until I was eighteen before I could enter the seminary.

During my teenage years I got involved in much sinful behaviour. I rebelled against God and disobeyed his commandments. I loved my sin, but I hated that miserable life and started to cry out to God. I realise now that God was working in my heart. He showed me I was a sinner. I longed to be right with him. This became the focus of my life. I knew that I needed to be saved from my sins. I went on a pilgrimage to a famous Roman Catholic shrine. I ate oatcakes, drank black tea, and crawled on my knees around the Stations of the Cross over three days to do penance for my sins. I fasted and meditated but never knew pardon for sin. I wanted to know forgiveness, but how?

Training for the priesthood

At the age of nineteen, and after checking different possible organisations, I finally decided to join the Society of Missions to Africa (SMA). They are a society of priests who live together in small communities in different parts of the world, seeking to convert pagans to the Roman religion. I entered the Roman Catholic Seminary located in Maynooth, County Kildare, Ireland. During my two years at seminary, I learned about religion and philosophy but there were no biblical studies. I attended daily mass and monthly confession but, alas, there was no teaching on forgiveness for sin. We had set times of prayer as a community - morning, evening, and night. I heard many talks that were focused on pleasing God by doing charitable works and buying favour with God through the church. I also heard a lot about how to use psychology to counsel people spiritually. Not once did I hear how to be reconciled to God through Christ who alone could forgive my sins.

I began to read the Bible (a Protestant translation my parents had given to me). As I read it, I asked the priests serious questions about the religious rituals in the Roman Catholic faith, but they couldn't show me any scriptural basis whatsoever for so much of their superstition and their many traditions. I discovered that the Bible does not promote the veneration of Mary as practiced in the Roman Catholic Church. The official teaching of the Roman Church is that Mary does not necessarily answer prayers but rather intercedes on the Catholic's behalf and prays for them. However, the Bible teaches that she is a sinner: in the famous 'Magnificat' she is found praying to God her Saviour. Mary knew she had sinned and we find her rejoicing in God her Saviour, the one conceived in her womb by the Holy Spirit - Jesus Christ her Lord.

I realised that rosaries and prayers to the saints have no scriptural basis. Mary is addressed in Roman Catholic prayers (eg 'O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee'), but the Saviour teaches us to pray to the Father directly. Indeed, the Bible warns us against ritualistic prayer. This described me exactly: outwardly very holy and pious, but inwardly my heart was sinful and corrupt. Also, the Roman Church teaches its followers to pray to the saints. There is a saint for almost every circumstance, such as St Christopher for travel, St Anthony for lost property, St Martin de Porres for healing, St Joseph for the dying, St Vincent de Paul for the poor, and St Jude for lost causes. Unable to find anything in Scripture to support these things, I asked the priests many questions, and I was told that these Church traditions could not be questioned.

I was conscious of my sin and longed to have assurance of salvation. I asked the priests but I was told that we could never be sure of salvation until we died. I was instructed to attend the priest for confession, but I did not find that in Scripture either. The Bible instructs us to confess our sins to God, not to human priests. I also realised that as a priest I would have to hear people's confessions and absolve them. I was confused. How could I forgive other people's sins, when I did not even know forgiveness myself? I now realise that the Lord was lifting the veil from my eyes to show me that true faith and forgiveness for sin is to be found in Christ alone.

Eventually, I left the Roman seminary in 1995. The Society had decided that I was not suitable, but the Lord, through his Word, had shown me the errors of Rome and that I shouldn't continue training for the priesthood. I had entered the seminary thinking that I would find God's answer to my sins. When I left, I thought that I had finished with God - but he hadn't finished with me! Over the next two years I lived in Dublin and continued my search for God. I went to various Protestant churches and also met people from different cults. One cult told me that if I was to be baptized again, then I would be born again. This sounded too much like the Roman Church and its teaching of justification by works, so I had nothing more to do with them.

Going to England

I went to London in preparation for nursing studies. On the first night I met a man who told me how I could know forgiveness for sin. He gave me a leaflet that emphasized the need to trust in Jesus Christ alone. I read this leaflet many times, but still had no peace with God. Although well physically, I became very depressed spiritually.

I knew that I was condemned if I was not converted. The Bible told me that if I did not believe then the wrath of God abode upon me. Then I read 'There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit' (Rom. 8:1). This was a constant challenge to me. I was alone in a huge city with no one to turn to for spiritual help. How my heart yearned to be right with God.

While pursuing my nursing studies, I met some students who seemed to know God. I attended their church where the Bible was central to the whole service. The sermon was preached from the Bible - that was something completely new to me. Deep down I knew these people were genuine Christians. I asked many questions and started to attend the church regularly. About this time, a small Christian group was meeting in my halls of residence. I went along aiming to disrupt the meetings, but slowly began to be drawn to Christ. I saw that they had something that I didn't have - peace with God and a real love for Christ. They knew the reality of 'Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ' (Rom. 5:1). One of them gave me J. I. Packer's book, Knowing God. I read the book and saw that I too could know God in a personal way.

My conversion

One Sunday morning, 8th February 1998, I was listening to a sermon from Luke 10:30-37 about the Good Samaritan. The preacher spoke of Jesus Christ being like the Good Samaritan - coming to help us in our wretched sinful state - while revealing that the Holy Spirit gives new life to lost sinners. He also urged the listeners to repent of sin and trust in Jesus Christ alone for forgiveness. I called upon Jesus Christ to save me, 'For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved' (Rom. 10:13). There and then, I knelt down in my room and prayed, 'O God, I know that you have sent your Son Jesus Christ into the world to save sinners. Will you save me? I trust in Christ alone and ask that you would come into my life by the power of your Holy Spirit and make me new.' I felt a huge weight of guilt and sin taken from my heart. As soon as I opened my eyes a deep sense of peace came over me. At that moment I knew that I was a Christian and truly forgiven of all my sins. The Bible became the living Word of God and he was speaking to me as I read. I realised that we are not saved by works but by grace, 'For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast' (Eph. 2:8,9). I was baptised in London as a believer in September 1998. After my baptism I struggled with temptations and trials, but the Lord was my constant refuge: 'God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble'(Psa. 46:1).

My life as a Christian

On my first visit back to Ireland, I did not know of a Christian church, so I went to mass with my parents. I realised the priest was re-enacting a sacrifice that was accomplished once and for all on the cross of Calvary (Heb. 9:26; 1 Pet. 3:18). For this reason, I couldn't attend the Roman Catholic mass any longer. As a young Irish man, swearing was second nature to me. Very soon after my conversion this dried up. Worldly pursuits like drinking in pubs and going to nightclubs ceased. Prayer and communion with God became a whole new area of experience. I had learned formal rote prayer as a young boy, but now I began truly to pray from my heart. This is still an amazing experience to me: to be able to lift my heart to God as my Father and know that he is listening and will answer my prayers according to his will.

My family were upset that I had left the Roman Catholic faith. At first they thought it was another religious phase I was going through, but they soon realised that this was different. However, the Lord gave me opportunities to share the true gospel with them. About a year later my youngest brother was converted. What joy filled my heart!

Since my conversion, the Lord has taught me so much from his Word. I am especially thankful to one man from the church in London who helped me to study the Bible. We did a complete overview of the Scriptures together, as well as an in-depth study of the doctrines of grace (Calvinism). The glorious truth that God is sovereign in salvation and reaches out in mercy to sinners is truly humbling and amazing. That God, the Creator and Sustainer of the world, should call wretched sinners to himself illustrates his grace. What a joyful day it will be when all his people are united with him in heaven.

Christian service and ministry

About a year after my conversion I was seeking the Lord about serving him. One Lord's Day evening after the service I was praying to the Lord asking him where he wanted me to serve. I read 2 Timothy 3:16-4:5 and was profoundly challenged. I had never studied this portion of God's Word before. It was impressed on me that this was how the Lord wanted me to serve him - to preach the Word. I graduated and worked for a year in the National Treatment Centre for Alcohol and Drugs. Some of the patients were hardened criminals; others were involved in sordid areas of society due to their addictions. I realised the psychological treatment was not dealing with their real problem: their unpardoned sin. I couldn't witness openly to the patients but some enquired what kept me through the difficult times in my life. I told them that it was my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and they were amazed. Both my house­mate and a Roman Catholic friend were converted and baptised during this time. It was a great privilege to see the Lord use even me to win sinners to Christ. I conducted a Bible Study in Colossians with some Jehovah's Witnesses. They began to seek Christ but their leaders visited and put an end to it. I pray for these people, that the Lord would open their eyes to his truth. As I taught young boys in a Crusaders Class I soon realized that children can be taught the deep truths of Scripture in a simple, understandable way.

The Lord opened up the way for me to study at London Theological Seminary. The lasting memories of my time there are of the nightly prayer meetings with fellow students and the godly men who taught us theology and prepared us for the ministry.


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1 posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:53 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: metmom; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy

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2 posted on 01/03/2012 3:32:07 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

Don’t forget me on the ping list! :D

Great article; how inspiring!!! It’s my hope and prayer that the Roman Catholics on this site will experience the same joy and blessing as he and we enjoy through God’s grace!

Hoss


3 posted on 01/03/2012 3:52:45 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: Gamecock

Thats gonna leave a mark. Catholic “copy and paste” flood of church laws/rules/traditions disputing what this former seminarian says in 3-2-1,,,,


4 posted on 01/03/2012 3:53:39 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: Gamecock

The rosary is unscriptural...yet the first part is taken straight from the bible...in the angels salutation to mary....however did the church grow for 400 years without the bible...martin luther reincarnate


5 posted on 01/03/2012 3:58:55 PM PST by bike800
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To: Gamecock

The rosary is unscriptural...yet the first part is taken straight from the bible...in the angels salutation to mary....however did the church grow for 400 years without the bible...martin luther reincarnate


6 posted on 01/03/2012 3:59:39 PM PST by bike800
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To: Gamecock

The rosary is unscriptural...yet the first part is taken straight from the bible...in the angels salutation to mary....however did the church grow for 400 years without the bible...martin luther reincarnate


7 posted on 01/03/2012 3:59:52 PM PST by bike800
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To: HossB86

“It’s my hope and prayer that the Roman Catholics on this site will experience the same joy and blessing as he and we enjoy through God’s grace!”

Thank you ...and may HE bless you with his choicest gifts. As a Catholic of Irish heritage, I grew up in the Catholic Church and had a very intimate relationship with God even as a young girl. His grace has been amazing in all aspects of my life. Each day, despite even this crisis and all of the world upheaval, is joyful and full of blessing. I find that I am richly nourished by my Church and I most assuredly love my brothers and sisters in Christ who do not attend the Catholic Church. Let us strive to build up and encourage one another in Christ.

;-)


8 posted on 01/03/2012 4:08:31 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Gamecock

I’ve heard testimonies like this so often.


9 posted on 01/03/2012 4:12:02 PM PST by JLLH
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To: Gamecock
A very sad article. Hopefully he will repent and return to the True Church.
10 posted on 01/03/2012 4:14:39 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Gamecock
What a beautiful testimony of how you loved Yahweh as a child and pursued a relationship with Him throughout your life. I too longed as a child to know Yahweh. I turned to Him when I was 35. Now I have studied the Bible for the past thirty years and see how man's doctrines and traditions have created a religion that is extra Biblical. My pursuit now is understanding and walking in the Gospel Jesus preached which is not the gospel the church has preached. It is quite an adventure.
11 posted on 01/03/2012 4:20:39 PM PST by ladyL
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To: Gamecock

What a wonderful story and testimony.

Praise the Lord.


12 posted on 01/03/2012 4:26:34 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Gamecock

Amen & Amen!
“Let everything that hath breath praise the LORD, Praise ye the Lord.” (Psalm 150:6)

“For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.” (John 3:17)

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconcilation.” (2 Corinthians 17-19)

“For He[God] hath made Him[Jesus] to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)


13 posted on 01/03/2012 4:28:33 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Gamecock

I had a similar situation. I was a cradle Catholic, converted to the Baptist faith in my 20’s and had a similar experience. After a really long study of 8 years trying to save my family from the Roman Church, I found myself reverting back to her.

I had the similar notion of all those works and rituals until I realized in my study, that the Catholic Church teaches one thing and one thing only

We are saved by grace, through faith, and evidence of this is our works. Any other order prescribed by any one in the faith is in error on the teachings of the Catholic church. Works are important as we are Jesus’s hands and feet on this earth and we are to do as He would do while on it. Jesus’s life was lived in action- living the corporal and spiritual works of mercy, as we are called to do.

Just as there are not so great, or even horrible examples of every faith out there, that does not negate the fact that a devout christian, Catholic or other wise will absolutely say when asked, that we are wretched sinners, in need of salvation, and that we are saved by grace through faith and the evidence of this is our works, which are comprised of our imitation of Christ’s example to us while He walked the earth both proclaiming and doing the word and works of God. Let anyone who tells you otherwise be treated as suspect, as they do not know what the Catholic Church teaches regarding salvation. They are going by hearsay from some disgruntled or misinformed Catholic in name only and believe me, we have some doozies-I was one of them.


14 posted on 01/03/2012 4:35:24 PM PST by wombtotomb
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To: Gamecock

Oy Vey, you really have the spirit of the New Year, Protest-—ant. / sarcasm


15 posted on 01/03/2012 4:46:10 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: starlifter

The fact of the matter is some people are too stupid to be Catholic. Catholic theology is far beyond their 80 IQs.


16 posted on 01/03/2012 4:50:06 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: conservativguy99

“The fact of the matter is some people are too stupid to be Catholic.”

Actually, that is not Catholic teaching.


17 posted on 01/03/2012 5:01:42 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Gamecock
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18 posted on 01/03/2012 5:02:27 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Gamecock
>> During my two years at seminary, I learned about religion and philosophy but there were no biblical studies. I attended daily mass and monthly confession but, alas, there was no teaching on forgiveness for sin. <<

I will state categorically that this person is a bald-faced liar. There is no way on Earth that a seminarian wouldn't learn about absolution, since he is required to communicate it.

As to the plainly ridiculous claim that he didn't get any scripture studies: A quick check on the Maynooth curriculum confirms that students learn in their first year alone:

Revelation and Faith ("Revelation" is how Catholics will sometime refer to entire corpus of scripture.)
Introduction to Biblical Greek
Introduction to Biblical Hebrew
Introduction to Ecclesiastical Latin
Scripture Studies 1: Eden to Exile
Scripture Studies 2: New Testament

Plus, they are required to perform the Holy Offices, which are scripture readings every three hours. Not to mention, of course, the fact that their theology courses are biblical as well.

Why do Calvinists feel they must slander Catholicism?

19 posted on 01/03/2012 5:05:54 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

There’s a total of twelve courses on scripture alone in the Maynooth divinity curriculum.... plus of course the rest of the theology courses are based on scripture.

http://maynoothcollege.ie/courses/undergrad/documents/CoursesforBD.pdf


20 posted on 01/03/2012 5:08:38 PM PST by dangus
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To: SumProVita

There are a lot of protestant “theologians” who do not have the intellectual capabilities to ever become a Catholic priest.

Sure, anyone can sit in the pews in a Catholic church.


21 posted on 01/03/2012 5:09:14 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: starlifter
A very sad article. Hopefully he will repent and return to the True Church.

You can rest assured that this man will never give up his Christianity to return to your religion...

He has found Jesus...Jesus is in him...And he in Jesus...

The same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead; the same Holy Spirit that you guys claim leads your magisterium now resides in this man, and all born again Christians...

22 posted on 01/03/2012 5:13:52 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Gamecock
What a beautiful testimony of how you loved Yahweh as a child and pursued a relationship with Him throughout your life. I too longed as a child to know Yahweh. I turned to Him when I was 35. Now I have studied the Bible for the past thirty years and see how man's doctrines and traditions have created a religion that is extra Biblical. My pursuit now is understanding and walking in the Gospel Jesus preached which is not the gospel the church has preached. It is quite an adventure.
23 posted on 01/03/2012 5:18:08 PM PST by ladyL
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To: conservativguy99; johngrace

Catholicism is the thinking man’s Christianity. Calvinism is the lazy man’s Christianity.

I find it interesting that virtually all of the Catholic to Protestant conversion stories were ones rooted in emotional reactions to a misunderstanding of the Catholic teaching on grace.

That was true for Martin Luther and individuals like the one in the article.

If salvation is an eternal thing that you can’t lose through laxity or spiritual laziness, then who wouldn’t want to find the path of least resistance?

Calvinism selectively cherrypicks verses to fit its theory while ignoring those that object to it.

What objectively on the basis of scripure alone makes the Calvinists right and the Arminians or Lutherans wrong?


24 posted on 01/03/2012 5:22:33 PM PST by rzman21
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To: conservativguy99; johngrace

Catholicism is the thinking man’s Christianity. Calvinism is the lazy man’s Christianity.

I find it interesting that virtually all of the Catholic to Protestant conversion stories were ones rooted in emotional reactions to a misunderstanding of the Catholic teaching on grace.

That was true for Martin Luther and individuals like the one in the article.

If salvation is an eternal thing that you can’t lose through laxity or spiritual laziness, then who wouldn’t want to find the path of least resistance?

Calvinism selectively cherrypicks verses to fit its theory while ignoring those that object to it.

What objectively on the basis of scripture alone makes the Calvinists right and the Arminians or Lutherans wrong?


25 posted on 01/03/2012 5:23:10 PM PST by rzman21
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To: wombtotomb
You ring true! No matter what your view your writing reveals a truth in it. Your heart was written in what you just wrote. But what this priest(?) wrote does not ring true in the way he presents it. His heart does not ring true.

It is like someone telling him what to write It seems very sterile on the Catholic side of the article. There should be more little things its like a phony hit piece.

26 posted on 01/03/2012 5:24:05 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Iscool

We Catholics do have the Holy Spirit. In fact the Holy Spirit guided us as we canonized the scriptures and is still guiding us (and Protestants). Somehow I find it hard to believe that nobody found Jesus until after the Reformation. Praise Jesus that I found him in the Lutheran Church and haven’t lost him despite being received into the Catholic Church.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 5:26:05 PM PST by phil413
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To: SumProVita
I agree with your summation. My thoughts exactly.

I thank God every day for my faith, given to me through the Roman Catholic Church and the bible!

28 posted on 01/03/2012 5:29:12 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: rzman21

You are completely correct. Conversions of poorly catechized Catholics to protestantism all center around emotion. Every last one of them.

My mother is a devout Polish Catholic woman who married my Calvinist father in 1954. Eventually, after 50years of marriage he converted to Catholicism after intense study and reflection. Suffice it to say, he had a conversion experience, and God led him there through his (my father’s)intellect. He’s the smartest man I know and finally came to his senses regarding the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Thankfully, my siblings and I were raised as Catholics and had a mother who instructed us in the nuances of the faith.

Your rhetorical question: “If salvation is an eternal thing that you can’t lose through laxity or spiritual laziness, then who wouldn’t want to find the path of least resistance?” is succinct and brilliant.


29 posted on 01/03/2012 5:32:49 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: rzman21
"I ate oatcakes, drank black tea, and crawled on my knees around the Stations of the Cross over three days to do penance for my sins. I fasted and meditated but never knew pardon for sin. I wanted to know forgiveness, but how?"

This is sterile. If he really did this He would show why his knees hurt in descriptive words. No true human being especially an opposite of this so-called stereo type complaint would forget this part of pain.

And He never knew pardon for sin. Very strange words indeed from a so-called priest. What a Hit piece. What suckers on this thread from some of our Indy church brethren responses.

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30 posted on 01/03/2012 5:36:33 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: conservativguy99

“There are a lot of protestant “theologians” who do not have the intellectual capabilities to ever become a Catholic priest.”

AMEN!!!

I agree 100%!

It takes GENIUS level brain power to take God’s Word and turn it into a pretzel.

I’ve had a RCC seminary professor tell me that “born again” doesn’t mean “born again” and I had a Jesuit tell me that Jesus was not bodily resurrected. Yep, those guys are too smart for the average “protestant”.

\sarc


31 posted on 01/03/2012 5:37:41 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Where did you get that bible you worship? Not from any protestants.


32 posted on 01/03/2012 5:41:20 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: conservativguy99

A certain FReeper who will remain nameless asked me privately if I “traded up” by giving up on an assurance of salvation.

But that individual failed because I was a Lutheran, and Lutherans reject eternal security.

But I almost never see Lutherans on these boards waging a scorched-earth war on Catholicism.

And Catholics who become Lutheran do so to be “Catholic lite” without the restrictions on divorce or contraception.


33 posted on 01/03/2012 5:47:08 PM PST by rzman21
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To: dangus

Yes this smelled phony from the get-go, like “Alberto”.


34 posted on 01/03/2012 5:49:12 PM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: jtal

Yes! From He who can not be mentioned. A forger and wanted in several states. Which Christianity Today exposed in 1980(?)


35 posted on 01/03/2012 6:01:05 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: starlifter
The True Church is the Church which God the Father and the Resurrected Christ Jesus appointed to the Apostle Paul to preach the Gospel of Grace in Christ Alone, Redeemer, the ONLY Head of the true Invisible grace Church:

Colossians 1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The True Church is the Church which God the Father and the Resurrected Christ Jesus REVEALED THE MYSTERY which has been hid from organized religion and the pagan world system for ages past - but now is CLEARLY made manifest to HIS Believer-Saints:

Colossians 1:26: Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Colossians 1:27: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

The True Church is the Church which God the Father and the Resurrected Christ Jesus revealed to Peter REGARDING PAUL's appointment and calling to the Gentiles:

II Peter 3:15: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
II Peter 3:16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The True Church is the Church which God the Father and the Resurrected Christ Jesus communicated to the Apostle Paul to make known that GOD and CHRIST will judge the secrets of men ACCORDING to the Gospel of Grace which GOD gave Paul to preach in the last 2,000 years:

Romans 2:16: In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

The True Church is the Church which God the Father and the Resurrected Christ Jesus REVEALED that ONLY HEAVEN and HELL exist - and that a person has ONLY ONE choice during this life - once that person physical dies, that person is immediately ushered into either HEAVEN or HELL (FOREVER). Purgatory is a fabrication of man, not GOD. GOD is not a liar - HE only spoke about HEAVEN or HELL as the only destinations. That is why Jesus WARNED about HELL so very often inside the Jewish Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) - read Zechariah this book mentions all of the Gospels by Christ's Titles, thus making these Gospels intimately tied with the Jewish scriptures as fulfillment.

Repent ye and believe in the Grace of God which Paul preached and ye shall be "judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel". GOD appointed Paul to say that - not men.

Peter never said that - show us the scriptures that Peter says "judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel"! It doesn't exist! Be ye not found in Rev 20:12:

Be ye not found in Rev 20:12:

Revelation 20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Ephesians 2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Stop ye from trying to gain God's acceptance from good works, it is not of yourselves, it is grace, not works!


36 posted on 01/03/2012 6:07:10 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth

Stop being spiritually lazy and thinking that intellectual religion will save you.

As St. Paul also says in Romans 2:13,”for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.”

This echoes St. James in James 2:24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

And James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

St. Gregory of Sinai summarizes the Catholic/Orthodox view on faith better than anyone who I have seen.
St. Gregory of Sinai, a 13th century Greek monk, who is considered a saint by Catholics and Orthodox alike writes the following in his treatise: “On Commandments and Doctrines”

“Grace-imbued faith, energized by the Holy Spirit, alone suffices for salvation, provided we sustain it and do not opt for a dead and effectual faith rather than a living and effective faith in Christ.”
http://bit.ly/saddKM

Penance serves to humble the heart of the believer to being a better follower of Christ because he can only be served with humility.

And St. Mark the Ascetic, a 4th century Desert Father teaches:
18. Some without fulfilling the commandments think that they possess true faith.
Others fulfil the commandments and then expect the kingdom as a reward due to
them. Both are mistaken.
19. A master is under no obligation to reward his slaves; on the other hand, those who
do not serve him well are not given their freedom.
20. If ‘Christ died on our account in accordance with the Scriptures’ (Rm 5:8; 1Co
15:3), and we do not ‘live for ourselves’, but ‘for Him who died and rose’ on our
account (2Co 5:15), it is clear that we are debtors to Christ to serve Him till our
death. How then can we regard sonship as something which is our due?
21. Christ is Master by virtue of His own essence and Master by virtue of His incarnate
life. For He creates man from nothing, and through His own Blood redeems him
when dead in sin; and to those who believe in Him He has given His grace.22. When Scripture says ‘He will reward every man according to his works’ (Mt 16:27),
do not imagine that works in themselves merit either hell or the kingdom. On the
contrary, Christ rewards each man according to whether his works are done with
faith or without faith in Himself; and He is not a dealer bound by contract, but God
our Creator and Redeemer.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 6:14:55 PM PST by rzman21
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To: Gamecock

“I loved my sin, but I hated that miserable life and started to cry out to God.”

Sometimes I do believe that is the universal lot of mankind. At least this man knew whom to cry out to. So many of the lost these days do not know that God is ready to answer their cries.


38 posted on 01/03/2012 6:19:35 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock

“I entered the Roman Catholic Seminary located in Maynooth, County Kildare, Ireland. During my two years at seminary, I learned about religion and philosophy but there were no biblical studies”

Here is a link to the course requirements of that seminary.I doubt the course outlines have changed all that much.

http://www.maynoothcollege.ie/courses/index.shtml

We have course offerings in

“Sacred Scripture
SC 131 ‘From Eden to Exile’
SC 135 Risen Lord in a Pagan Empire”

Perhaps the good man had no idea that courses in Sacred Scripture were Biblical Studies. However, did he qualify for admission?


39 posted on 01/03/2012 6:31:27 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock

An experience shared by many former RC’s..Thanks


40 posted on 01/03/2012 6:32:52 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: conservativguy99

I know many intelligent Protestant and am alarmed at your lack of charity. Also I would never disdain the simple faith of anyone, Catholic or Protestant.

The fact that Catholic Theology is beyond some does not mean they are stupid.


41 posted on 01/03/2012 6:39:19 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: bike800
Most of the Mysteries of the Rosary are Scriptureal. Here's a reference for you.

The Joyful Mysteries
(Mondays and Saturdays)
1. The Annunciation (Luke 1:26-38) [Spiritual fruit - Humility]
2. The Visitation (Luke 1: 39-56) [Spiritual fruit - Love of Neighbor]
3. The Nativity (Luke 2:1-20) [Spiritual fruit - Poverty of Spirit]
4. The Presentation (Luke 2:21-38) [Spiritual fruit - Purity of mind & body]
5. The Finding of Jesus in the Temple (Luke 2:41-52) [Spiritual fruit - Obedience ]

The Luminous Mysteries or Mysteries of Light
(Thursdays) see Rosarium Virginis Mariae
1. Jesus' Baptism in the Jordan (II Corinthians 5:21, Matthew 3:17 and parallels) [Spiritual fruit - Gratitude for the gift of Faith]
2. Jesus' self-manifestation at the wedding of Cana (John 2:1- 12) [Spiritual fruit - Fidelity]
3. Jesus' proclamation of the Kingdom of God, with His call to conversion (Mark 1:15, Mark 2:3-13; Luke 7:47- 48, John 20:22-23) [Spiritual fruit - Desire for Holiness]
4. Jesus' Transfiguration (Luke 9:35 and parallels) [Spiritual fruit - Spiritual Courage]
5. Jesus' institution of the Eucharist, as the sacramental expression of the Paschal Mystery. (Luke 24:13-35 and parallels, 1 Corinthians 11:24-25) [Spiritual fruit - Love of our Eucharistic Lord]

The Sorrowful Mysteries
(Tuesdays and Fridays)
1. The Agony in the Garden (Matthew 26:36-46, Luke 22:39-46) [Spiritual fruit - God's will be done]
2. The Scourging at the Pillar (Matthew 27:26, Mark 15:15, John 19:1) [Spiritual fruit - Mortification of the senses]
3. The Crowning with Thorns (Matthew 27:27-30, Mark 15:16-20, John 19:2) [Spiritual fruit - Reign of Christ in our heart]
4. The Carrying of the Cross (Matthew 27:31-32, Mark 15:21, Luke 23:26-32, John 19:17) [Spiritual fruit - Patient bearing of trials]
5. The Crucifixion (Matthew 27:33-56, Mark 15:22-39, Luke 23:33-49, John 19:17-37) [Spiritual fruit - Pardoning of Injuries]

The Glorious Mysteries
(Wednesdays and Sundays)
1.The Resurrection (Matthew 28:1-8, Mark 16:1-18, Luke 24:1-12, John 20:1-29) [Spiritual fruit - Faith]
2. The Ascension (Mark 16:19-20, Luke 24:50-53, Acts 1:6-11) [Spiritual fruit - Christian Hope]
3. The Descent of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:1-13) [Spiritual fruit - Gifts of the Holy Spirit]
4. The Assumption [Spiritual fruit - To Jesus through Mary]
5. The Coronation [Spiritual fruit - Grace of Final Perseverance]


42 posted on 01/03/2012 6:43:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

I thought of your testimony when I first read this.


43 posted on 01/03/2012 6:48:11 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: lastchance

Perhaps I didn’t express myself accurately. A Josef Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVIth) versus a Charles Stanley would be a laughable comparison. Fill in the blank with any protestant of your choice.

Don’t be alarmed.

Furthermore, most people of limited intellect leave the Catholic church because they can’t understand things. It’s true. It’s much easier to walk down an aisle and declare one’s love for Jesus and get eternal salvation. Simple, non-intellectual, non-thinking. Maybe that’s why God created Martin Luther.


44 posted on 01/03/2012 6:50:32 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: conservativguy99

Thanks for your clarification.


45 posted on 01/03/2012 6:53:37 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance

You’re very welcome.


46 posted on 01/03/2012 6:57:03 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: Gamecock

This is the most vituperative and uncharitable thread. I am disgusted. You all should be ashamed, lobbing anti-Catholic slander, blathering on about ‘you can’t be Christian unless you xx (fill in the blank).’

John 17.21: “I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. ... I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one.... May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”

What kind of witness can we Christians give to the world if we are nattering at each other WITHIN our very family about tittles and jots? I got on the Religion thread because I couldn’t bear to watch Iowa and read the inane news coming out of the secular world. But this thread is by far the most disgusting of all.


47 posted on 01/03/2012 6:58:41 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: bboop

There’s plenty of anti-Protestant slander here as well. Just sayin’.


48 posted on 01/03/2012 7:04:48 PM PST by JLLH
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To: Gamecock
Me too...

Rom 10:20"... I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me."

49 posted on 01/03/2012 7:05:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: JLLH; bboop

Correction: Please change above statement. Should read: “There’s plenty of anti-Protestant slander and bigotry on this thread.”


50 posted on 01/03/2012 7:08:16 PM PST by JLLH
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