Posted on 01/05/2012 5:10:45 AM PST by DaveMSmith
Please show me where this is done. Oh and it may surprise you but Catholics are considered heretics by the Eastern Orthodox since we do not always agree on doctrine. But since we are outside of the EO Church it does not really much matter since they can not try us for heresy and sanction or even excommunicate us.
Same goes for Protestants who believe doctrine that is heretical to Catholics. The only heresy you have to worry about is if you start teaching beliefs that are considered heresy by your own sect, church or denomination.
So please gain some perspective.
You left something out. Actually you left several things out. The two most important being the introduction to the discussion
“The 2,000 year-old Catholic position on salvation is that we are saved by Jesus Christ and Him alone (cf. Acts 15:11; Eph. 2:5). But by the grace of Christ, we achieve the salvation God desires for us through perseverance in both faith and works. Many Protestants, on the other hand, believe that one just has to accept Jesus as personal Lord and Savior to be saved, and good works are not necessary (they just flow from those already saved). But these verses, and many others, teach us that our performance of good works is necessary for our salvation. Scripture also does not teach that good works distinguish those who are eternally saved from those who are not saved.”
And that the topic of discussion was whether one can lose their Salvation. The belief that you can lose your Salvation is also taught by some Protestant sects.
No, it doesn't surprise me. I am well aware of the views of the various Catholic rites towards each other, through witnessing it first hand.
The issue I have is still that the label *heretic* is used so freely and indiscriminately as to be almost meaningless.
You are right in that the label is bandied about far too often. I tend to give a more precise meaning to it. I also want to add that though many Protestant beliefs are heretical if a Catholic believed them and a Catholic would indeed be in danger of losing salvation should they continue in obstinate heresy that standard does not apply to Protestants who reject dogma that is unique to the Catholic faith.
So I would never claim other Christians in danger of hell for not holding to Catholic beliefs unless such person was indeed Catholic.
“Jesus' teaching on the separation of the sheep from the goats is based on the works that were done during their lives, not just on their acceptance of Christ as Savior. In fact, this teaching even demonstrates that those who are ultimately saved do not necessarily have to know Christ.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]
If you’re just good enough but don’t know Christ you can still be saved because Christ did after all “open that door”.
I call that blasphemy and anyone who subscribes to that a heretic.
Catholic teaching, you’re doing it wrong.
It’s your church of you, you can declare whatever you wish to be heresy. This of course applies to everyone in your church of you.
I don’t think too many will worry about this.
Is sola scriptura a doctrine or tenet of the Swedenborgian Church?
Second on your post:
Jesus said you cannot bear them now but He will send the spirit of truth. I understand that to mean Emmanuel Swedenborg.
Does this mean Swedenborg is the Paraclete? Is this your belief only or a Swedenborgian teaching?
Catholics say.
“Jesus' teaching on the separation of the sheep from the goats is based on the works that were done during their lives, not just on their acceptance of Christ as Savior. In fact, this teaching even demonstrates that those who are ultimately saved do not necessarily have to know Christ.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]
But scripture says.
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Not much doubt to me who the heretic is.
Fine, fine I’ll put away the big red H.
What the Bible says, it says.
If some teaching contradicts it, guess which one is wrong.....
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I
So you're not disagreeing with this statement? Just clearing that up, because based on your response, it sure sounds like you agree with it.
You can decide for your church of you whatever you wish for you. You're the decider and the only one your decisions apply to, no one else.
You can decide everyone else is a heretic and you're the god of thunder if you want. Have fun !
Don't forget to douse the the fire too..
:)
Whatever makes you feel good, MM. I’m easy today.
So which did you agree with? Was it the scripture or the Catholics?
"There is ONE BODY, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, One faith, One baptism, One God and Father of all, who above all and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.
Paul is speaking here of the CHURCH THE BODY OF CHRIST. And so is Cynical Bear. And so am I. And every saved believer who is a member of that ONE CHURCH of ONE.
But wait, your screenname suggests you know this Scripture. And yet...
Didn’t know CB’s church was Dispensationalist too. Kewl. You guys have lots to share, enjoy !
Last we discussed, CB knows who is saved and who isn’t, so I’d check with him for your status according to him. Your status according to you is safe though, whatever you say it is - that is tres kewl, IMHO.
thanks for your reply!
"Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.."
Until then, keep up the "tres kewl" quips. You won't seem so witty to yourself one day.
I just love Bob Seeger and that song!
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