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Are Christians Mormon?
Light Planet ^ | Truman G. Madsen

Posted on 01/07/2012 7:23:38 PM PST by delacoert

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To: Peter ODonnell
My belief is that Mormons and evangelical Christians each have some of the truth

What truth?

and will find that in the Kingdom,

Not according to scripture.

they can blend their forms of worship into one reality.

That's Satanic.

21 posted on 01/07/2012 8:33:31 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Peter ODonnell

I’m sorry, Peter ODonnell, but that was utter drivel.


22 posted on 01/07/2012 8:37:43 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Peter ODonnell
If you visit Utah in particular, the concept that the New Jerusalem could be in the new world becomes very “real” because of the geography and its resemblance to Judea.

They look to Missouri for the New Jerusalem. Joseph Smith received revelation in July of 1831 that the New Jerusalem and a temple would be built in Independence, Missouri and that the gathering of Israel would begin (Doctrine and Covenants 57:1-3).

23 posted on 01/07/2012 8:38:16 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: delacoert

Stupid title. It’s like asking if spiders are daddy long legs.


24 posted on 01/07/2012 8:41:28 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Impy
They say they are.

They say a lot of things.....

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25 posted on 01/07/2012 8:42:20 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: delacoert
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26 posted on 01/07/2012 8:44:59 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Godzilla

Have you ever read an Ensign magazine? They go on for pages and pages and pages about Joseph Smith, there’s usually an article about Brigham Young. God gets his first mention on page 83 in a new church ad.


27 posted on 01/07/2012 8:45:52 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: dragonblustar

It’s good to see that Joe was modest.


28 posted on 01/07/2012 8:48:19 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: delacoert

Do vapid questions form the majority of new article headlines?


30 posted on 01/07/2012 8:54:18 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (The only economic certainty: When it all blows up, Krugman will say we didn't spend enough.)
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To: delacoert

What is the conclusion? Let me bring it to three points. First, we should rejoice and be exceeding wary. For while during the first generation Mormonism was thought to be utterly outlandish, we may live to see the generation in which it will be thought to be utterly obvious. The attending attitude in each case is the same—indifference. Unless we can testify with spiritual splendor that God has restored more than a pastiche, a glorious divine unity, unless we can bear witness that there is power from God in all that we witness, others will simply say, “We already have it. There is no more. Goodbye.”


31 posted on 01/07/2012 9:13:42 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: delacoert
Mormons are not Christians; never have been; never will be.

The first commandment: thou shalt not have false gods.
Mitt Romney believes he'll be a god on another planet when he dies. "god" = divinity, worshipped/adored. What part of the FIRST COMMANDMENT is unclear to him and other Mormons? That's OLD TESTAMENT, for heaven's sake.

32 posted on 01/07/2012 9:18:18 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Peter ODonnell

It doesn’t matter what someone believes about God unless it is what is in the Scriptures. God revels Himself to ALL individuals, not groups (Romans Ch1—no one is without excuse...).

Mormons are not Christians because they do not have faith that Jesus is the Savior. Only individuals who believe that Jesus is the Savior are Christians.


33 posted on 01/07/2012 9:36:34 PM PST by Ecliptic
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To: qwertyz
The idea that Jesus’ evolved or developed into God is not a Christian belief, because it denies the Trinity as articulated in the Creeds.

Tough to even print out but they don't believe this about just Jesus The LORD but about The Father and The Holy Spirit. Completely unconscionable.

34 posted on 01/07/2012 9:40:42 PM PST by Bellflower
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To: cloudmountain

Another Commandment:

Thou Shalt not steal.

Plagiarism is a form of theft.


35 posted on 01/07/2012 9:42:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: freedumb2003; delacoert; All
ping — maybe you can wade through this..

Well...right dab in the middle of this article is this summation: Intertwined with this is the remarkable testimony we have struggled to bear as to the nature of man, the witness that there is something, even now, divine in mankind...

"Remarkable" indeed!

And then before that, this statement: ...as you know, the theological vocabulary is notoriously vague...

For Mormons...to some degree, yes...but not so vague as to totally twist and redefine most Christian/Biblical terms!

And also from the article: ....a tremendous chasm between what professional writers may say theologically, philosophically, and what actually penetrates to the grass roots. Between the theoretician and the layman there is an ocean.

Well, Mormons "in the know" realize that lack of respect of their so-called "theology" is tied to the reality that their "theology" is actually anthropology?

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie:
"According to [Mormon] revelation...
...he is a...
personal Being
a holy and exalted Man
a glorified, resurrected Personage [news flash: The Mormon god they pray "Our Father" to died at some point before the Mormon Jesus became his son]
having a tangible body of flesh and bones [I guess the apostle John was wrong, eh, about God being Spirit -- see John 4:23-24]
an ANTHROPOMORPHIC ENTITY,
the personal Father of the spirits of all men [this last means there's a mom-god @ Kolob w/whom this God had sex with to yield your spirit before you came to earth]
Source: Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 250

I mean, come now: Who wants an anthropomorphic entity --a man-made religion about a man who made his godhood level by landing the "god job" -- whose divinity didn't precede His anthro aspects?

Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley P. Pratt, a Mormon "apostle." Mitt Romney's ancestor taught:
"Gods, angels, and men are all of
one species,
one race,
one great family,
widely diffused among the planetary systems as colonies, kingdoms, nations, etc.
Source: The Key to the Science of Theology, 1978, p. 21

So what? Why should Romney be linked to what his ancestors taught? Well, because Romney himself provided such a linkage!

Mitt Romney, Dec, 2007, speaking @ the George Bush Presidential Library: "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

Mormon "theology" that essentially says the Mormon man-gods & man-angels bounce around the universe and thereby arrive on planet earth as essentially aliens. And Mitt "confesses" and "professes" this as the "faith...of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

Lds "apostle" John Widtsoe originally published in 1915 called Rational Theology.

Widtsoe in that book slandered God, reducing him to be of slime and then mortal origins:
"God and man are of the same race..." (Widtsoe, p. 61)

36 posted on 01/07/2012 9:45:53 PM PST by Colofornian (Mitt Romney, the deep-coffers source of dismembering in in 20-25 babies in the Bay State.)
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To: Ecliptic
Mormons are not Christians because they do not have faith that Jesus is the Savior. Only individuals who believe that Jesus is the Savior are Christians.

And you have to believe in Jesus for who He really is. You cannot make up another Jesus, believe in it and have God bless you into His Kingdom.

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Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here [is] Christ; or, lo, [he is] there; believe [him] not:

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

37 posted on 01/07/2012 9:46:33 PM PST by Bellflower
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To: cloudmountain
Mitt Romney believes he'll be a god on another planet when he dies. "god" = divinity, worshipped/adored. What part of the FIRST COMMANDMENT is unclear to him and other Mormons? That's OLD TESTAMENT, for heaven's sake.

Indeed. (See post #36)

38 posted on 01/07/2012 9:48:08 PM PST by Colofornian (Romney = pro-abortion)
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To: Carthego delenda est; cloudmountain; delacoert; freedumb2003; aMorePerfectUnion; All
ALL: Carthego delenda est cites this portion toward the end of the article: What is the conclusion? Let me bring it to three points...Unless we can testify with spiritual splendor that GOD has restored more than a pastiche, a glorious divine unity, unless we can bear witness that there is power from GOD in all that we witness...

I reviewed the article again...counting about 70 times that the author (Madsen) references "God" in the singular.

Typical Mormon leader bait & switch.

Every time Mormons mention "God" -- without distinguishing which God they are referencing -- is a testimony of obscuring what they really believe...that the true gods are plural.

FACT: There is NO SINGLE ULTIMATE true God in Mormonism, no matter how much they try to verbally dance around with deceptive shenanigans.

Now, Madsen at least doesn't totally exclude references to "gods" plural: Henri Bergson closes his book, Two Sources of Religion and Mortality, saying, "The universe is a machine for the making of GODS." [Henri Bergson, The Two Sources of Morality in Religion (New York: Henry Holt, 1935). Bergson's concluding lines read: "Mankind lies groaning, half crushed beneath the weight of its own progress. Men do not sufficiently realize that the future is in their own hands. Theirs is the task of determining first of all whether they want to go on living or not. Theirs is the responsibility, then, for deciding if they want merely to live, or intend to make just the extra effort required for fulfilling, even on their refractory planet, the essential function of the universe, which is a machine for the making of GODS" (p. 306).]

If you go to the first sub-title in the article: The Nature of God (See Teachings About the Godhead home page)...and click that link to another place on lightplanet.com...and scroll down to graph 3 on the left-hand side, you'll see this:

The Godhead "Latter-day Saints believe in God the Father; his Son, Jesus Christ; and the Holy Ghost (A of F 1). These THREE GODS form the Godhead, which holds the keys of power over the universe. Each member of the Godhead is an independent personage, separate and distinct from the other two, the three being in perfect unity and harmony with each other (AF, chap. 2)." Encyclopedia of Mormonism

This is Mormonism. And it doesn't stop with them. Even Madsen mentions a "goddess" in the article. And before them, were a "council of gods" (says Joseph Smith) who selected a man to get the "god job" for planet earth. And then, of course, Madsen references men attempting to be grown-up gods.

Indeed, as Cloudmountain asked: What part of the FIRST COMMANDMENT is unclear to him and other Mormons?

When a Mormon leader-author mentions "God" singular 35 times for each reference to "gods" plural, it's just another Mormon leader concealing his bottom-life belief in bait-and-switch vocabulary.

Mormons are often just out and out cowards to state what they truly believe and be consistent about it: They should be talking about the plurality of gods they believe in far more than "God" singular.

39 posted on 01/07/2012 10:09:21 PM PST by Colofornian (Romney = pro-abortion)
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To: delacoert
If Mormons want so bad to be Christians, why don't they just do so? Dump Joe Smith and his book. Fire that council whatever its called, take off the magic underpants, and beg God for forgiveness. Easy enough to do.
Mormons will never be Christians until they renounce the cult they now belong to.
40 posted on 01/07/2012 10:11:21 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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