Posted on 01/07/2012 10:49:40 PM PST by Colofornian
Mitt Romney has realized that he can't avoid the issue of his Mormon religion, so he might as well embrace it. The Republican frontrunner's new South Carolina mail campaign emphasizes Romney's deep religious beliefs and 42-year marriage, in an effort to win over 60 percent of the state's Republicans that are evangelical or "born again" Christians. The ad, however, doesn't dive head first into touting Romney's Mormonism, but instead refers heavily to his "faith" and how it will influence him as president, also assuring South Carolina voters that the White House contender is "pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-family."
Well; SOMEbody, HIGH in MORMON rank long ago sure did; and NO 'official' statements out of Salt Lake City have said otherwise; so...
What do YOU think?
That's what Todd Compton says. He's a pretty thorough researcher (perhaps not as much as D. Michael Quinn, Ph.D.), but he admits that he is a faithful LSD historian and he is something of a middle-grounder when it comes to faith-promoting history.
Which means the award-winning book, In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, is faithful history when it says that Smith approached the families of his teenage wives and told them that (a) God said he (Smith) would be destroyed if he didn't marry their teenaged daughters, and (b) the eternal lives of their entire families depended on giving their teenaged daughters to him as a polygamous wife. And that when Smith was put in a small room with the teenaged girl, he told some of those girls that (a) he, as her religion's prophet, would be destroyed by god if she didn't marry him and (b) her eternal soul and the eternal souls of her family depending on marrying him.
Compton based his book on the wive's diaries, letters, and other accounts, and the diaries and letters of their friends and families members. Contemporaneous accounts, mostly.
I'm not an ex-Mormon, so I have no experience with this. For now, without suggesting that you are wrong, may I just say that I believe some LDS believe they are protecting the church as was done from the very beginning with not telling the truth to the public or the non-leader Mormon's about polygamy (and justified as protecting the church), all the way through Hinckley's dissembling on Larry King, and Dalin Oak's speech, and Boyd K. Packer's speech, and another twenty+ things I could site?
In recent days, I've pointed out that LDS.org rewrote its page on how polygamy ended (gradually versus "ENDED") with the 1890 Manifesto since May - whether coincidentally (and incorrectly), or because of Warren Jeffs, or because of Romney's candidacy. I've noted that MormonVoices.org has . . . well . . . blatantly lied about whether the issue of 'gods over planets' is taught at LDS.org. The two LDS experts, including the Assistant Dean of Theology at BYU lied to Maureen Down last year on the same topic. One said is was unwritten lore, yet we have all of the written quotes by Brigham Young and five (was it five?) other prophets AND the current copy of Gospel Principles, and the CES materials for LDS youth . . . and many other writings.
Let's just say people are taking Apostle Dalin Oaks at his words. If you lie to protect the LDS church or a LDS member, then it's not considered morally wrong. I assume he meant to draw a line; for some people, that line is blurred.
Yeh, at the end of Meet The Press, there was a trailer for Brian Williams show regarding mittens strange Mexican family. Not sure why LSM is starting so early to take him down - maybe they think he needs a little innoculation to make it through the primaries.
Point of Order? I thought the nudity/open side gowns, with the anointing with oil that including touching private areas ended with the Endowment Ceremony changes in 1990. The changes that, among other things, removed the specific oath and motions about slashing the throat and abdomen, and Satan paying the Protestant minister to preach non-Mormon gospel.
Didn't the touching of genitals disappear in 1990?
Huh. Utah leads the nation in # of porn subscriptions per capita, porn consumption among the general internet user population and dial-up users. Source 1, and Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?, Benjamin Edelman (Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 23, Number 1—Winter 2009—Pages 209–220). Utah also lead the nation in porn busts. FBI in Utah Lead Nation in Porn Busts.
Didn’t the touching of genitals disappear in 1990?
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No. The Initiatory ritual aka washing and anointing ceremony (which is separate from the endowment) did not change until 2005 and even then, the gown was only slightly modified. However, the initiates now put on the LDS garments (holy underwear) prior rather than after the ceremony.
Here is the info on the ceremony with footnotes of the changes.
http://ldsendowment.org/initiatory.html
“Do we really think the ObamaNazis are going to avoid the long, vicious racism of the LDS? Not on your life. THEY are in it to win it.”
Exactly. Which is exactly why the Dems want Romney to get the GOP nomination. They figure he’s the easiest to defeat and BHO can spend less time campaigning and more time on vacation and signing executive orders.
Let’s just say people are taking Apostle Dalin Oaks at his words. If you lie to protect the LDS church or a LDS member, then it’s not considered morally wrong.
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I agree with that. My point was is that it isn’t isolated, it is part of the church culture as a whole. I was taught that about lying before Oaks’ speech and the September Six excommunication.
Although seeing others lie for the Lord does help justify it to individual members. If the leaders do it, it must be ok.
“Although seeing others lie (about others) for the Lord does help justify it to individual members (and themselves)”.
--MormonDude(Right Girls??)
They don't make those commie bashing mormons anymore....
Just my opinion but I think the left’s strategy is to get Romney to be the nominee. They think the religious right will not support Romney giving Obama an easy victory, the left also intend the smear the religious right as haters while portraying themselves as tolerant of other faiths....
If it looks like Obama is losing and they have to attack Mitt’s faith, the left will try to make it look like its coming from the right.
A few Man-in-the-street interviews on TV and plastered on YouTube, and they are good to go!
Not true.
Imagine, say, a local little grocery store owner who decided to sell videos in the back room of the store in the 1980s. And then he decided to offer another room where the porn industry could set up shop with their brand of videos.
And everybody in town knew it. And it provided a lucrative side business for the local store owner.
So, lucrative that he began duplicating the small stores with a side porn business in every major city and plenty of minor communities.
Well, that's the Marriott Hotel. They began selling porn by 1989.
Per Wikipedia, the Mormon church hierarchy rewarded Bill Marriott's porn acumen: "In 1997 Marriott was called by the church to be an Area Authority Seventy and member of the Fifth Quorum of the Seventy.[3] This was split in 2004 and Marriott joined the newly-created Sixth Quorum of the Seventy, serving until his release on October 1, 2011.[4][5][6]"
Source: Bill Marriott
Why. How "heartwarming" is that?
And then, of course, Marriott paid Mitt Romney $25,000 per year plus stock to be a Board member for the porn industry, Marriott.
A true church opposing porn in ANY form would oppose the local store owner pulling in some of his income from filmed prostitutes feeding the addictions of voyeurs. At the very least, they wouldn't reward such man -- as they did Bill Marriott -- by pulling him into the church hierarchy from 1997-2011.
Scoutmaster is right: Utah leads the nation in porn usage for a reason.
Well, Ted Bundy was a Mormon. The guy that shot up (& killed some people) @ that Colorado Springs church some years back was also a Mormon convert.
So, if being Mormon drastically reduces the odds that someone will be a mass-murderer, Mormonism may be a good thing, right? [Loud Mime]
Article excerpts:
* A Mormon teenager will stand trial for allegedly helping her lover to kill his 16-year-old ex-girlfriend, a judge has ruled. Toni Fratto, 19, and Kody Patten, 18, are accused of hitting Micaela Costanzo over the head with a shovel, cutting her throat and then burying her body in a shallow grave just outside West Wendover, Nevada.
Source: Teenager 'helped fiancé beat his ex-girlfriend to death with shovel'
* ...admitted killer Christopher A. Gribble begins Monday with the selection of jurors who will decide whether Gribble was legally insane when he and Steven Spader slaughtered a Mont Vernon mother and maimed her daughter during a random 2009 home invasion...His trial in Hillsborough County Superior Court likely will differ from that of his machete-wielding accomplice Spader, found guilty by a jury Nov. 9 of all six counts of first-degree murder, attempted murder and related charges. Gribble, a Brookline Eagle Scout, admitted he stabbed and slashed local nurse Kimberly L. Cates, 42, to death with a knife and nearly killed her daughter, Jaimie, then 11, in the pre-dawn attack, but claimed he was insane at the time and not criminally responsible...Gribble is a high school graduate who grew up a devout Mormon and attended Sunday school at Spader's next-door neighbor's house.
Source: Gribble insanity trial jury selection begins (A REAL MORMON)
And then, how does that ongoing "roster" of other Mormon killers impact your assumptions?
Mormon murderers like...
...Gary Gilmore & Ronnie Lee Gardner...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-Philippines Arthur Gary Bishop...
...or 5-time Mormon killer Glenn Taylor Helzer...
...Or ex-Lds missionary murderer to Winnipeg Mark Hacking...
...Or bomber-murderer-scammer Mark Hofmann...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-France fugitive murderer Jason Brown...
...or 19th century murderer Porter Rockwell, one of Brigham Young's and Joseph's Smith's body guards...
...or Wild Bill Hickman, another of Young's body guards, who wrote a "tell-all" book about it...
....or the dozens to hundreds of Mormon child mass murderers/mommy&daddy mass murderers never even brought to trial for the execution-style Mountain Meadows Massacre...
I mean, Arthur Gary Bishop, Mark Hacking, and Jason Brown were all former Lds missionaries. I mean what? Do we find all kinds of murderers in the former CHRISTIAN missionary population?
Yes? Where?
bttt
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