Skip to comments."What will happen to Catholics and others . . . ?"
Posted on 01/08/2012 12:46:11 PM PST by bkopto
One of my superstar former students, writing about his experience at one of our nation's premier law schools, sent me a note after reading my MOJ post on marriage, religious liberty, and the "grand bargain." Here is the text, with names removed to protect the innocent:
I had a first-hand experience with this reality in law school. One of my constitutional law professors taught the section of our course relating to same-sex marriage under the "inevitability" banner. I met with him in office hours later to talk to him about something else, but I brought up a question that I have been wrestling with: if the SSM advocates are right and opposition to SSM becomes analogous to racism in our society, what will happen to Catholics and others whose views on SSM cannot and will not change? Are they to be excluded from public office, political and judicial appointments, or places of trust and responsibility within private institutions (e.g., law firm partnerships)? I posed the question to him because I was curious to hear his response, since he is generally a kind and reasonable person who seemed open to other viewpoints.
His response was very disappointing, and it shook my confidence in him. He responded to me by saying something along the lines of: "Well, they [Catholics and others] will either have to change their views or be treated in the same way that white supremacists and the segregationist Senators were treated. They were excluded from the judiciary entirely for decades because of the South's views on race."
He evinced no sympathy for the traditional marriage position or those who hold it. They were to be relegated to the ash heap of history. He said all of this to me knowing full well (because I had foolishly just told him) that I was a Catholic who opposed SSM.
Is anyone prepared to say that the view expressed by the professor is merely a fringe opinion in the contemporary academy? Is anyone prepared to say that it is the view of only a small minority, or a minority at all, in what University of Virginia sociologist Jonathan Haidt calls the liberal tribal-moral community of contemporary academia? Would anyone deny that there is a significant element in the elite sector of the culture---an element with real power over the lives and careers of people like my former student---that wishes to penalize or discriminate against those who refuse in conscience to yield to the liberal orthodoxy on issues of sex and marriage? Consider the professor's own words. He made no effort to hide his goals and intentions. On the contrary, he made it abundantly clear that Catholics and others who persist in their dissent are to be treated the way we treat white supremacists. They are to be stigmatized, subjected to discrimination, and denied the right to hold certain offices.
And this professor, as my student observed, is a "generally a kind and reasonable person who seems open to other viewpoints." What are we to expect, then, from those who are even less "open to other viewpoints"?
Just......unreal and “nightmarish”...
Pray for our nation.
I occasionally read these stories written by people unfamiliar with college culture. This is not exclusive to elite law schools or elite universities more generally. These sorts of views and this culture is pervasive at colleges throughout the US and in such nations as Australia. It has been pervasive for a couple of decades, at least.
It may seem implausible to people outside academia but, I assure you, it is deeply rooted and pervasive. For years, it has excluded alternative views.
Newt mentioned a piece of this last night.
Christians are under fire. Catholic Orphanages are being closed, soon Catholic Hospitals will be closed because they refuse abortions. Soon Catholic Doctors may face law suits for refusing to kill a fetus.
This is all just a part of what the ACLU , Atheists,Liberals and Obama have in store for us.
Freedom of religion is why this country exists today and it’s going away fast.
Ask the Professor what would happen if he expressed such views in an Islamic country. Then ask him if there is any distinction of what he would suggest to do to the Catholics versus what the Islamists would do to him.
This is either a country of Christians who will stand or it will be a totalitarian nightmare.
Freedom is a gift from God. Cut your ties to God and you will lose your freedom. I never saw it as plainly until recent years but it becomes more plain and more clear every day.
Christianity, as currently professed, is committed to egalitarianism, thus it cannot effectively resist sodomite demands. Christianity is being hoisted on its own petard.
you’ve got to beware of giving government the power to exclude nthe “bad”. One day you might find that you are one of them
Excellent point. But somehow the Islamists will allowed to hold their views on marriage and sexuality without persecution while Christians will not.
Is it! Christianity is, in fact, very exclusive. Not about gender, race, or even orientation, but about your relationship with Christ.
“This is either a country of Christians who will stand or it will be a totalitarian nightmare.
“Freedom is a gift from God. Cut your ties to God and you will lose your freedom. I never saw it as plainly until recent years but it becomes more plain and more clear every day.”
Indeed. Religious liberty is quickly becoming a thing of the past sadly.
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And how. I recently had an icon of mine taken down in a VA clinical room. The explanation given was that it was a Freedom of Religion issue. I remarked, “explain to me how taking down a religious item is Freedom of Religion”. It all revolved around ‘lest someone be offended...” type argument.
So, I said, “So in order to have freedom of religion, you must suppress religious expression?” Silence. The icon stayed down. I have not returned.
They (we) will be discriminated against, ‘re-educated’, held without trial or evidence, and eventually killed if they (we) don’t submit.
I have pretty much come the realization that I will either be killed or imprisoned by my own government because of my Christian faith. But I will go down fighting.
But the truth is that the Anglicans have been ordaining practicing homosexuals for years and has even elevated them to the level of Bishop.
There was a piece on 60 minutes about a year ago in which the Baptists have ordained women and are officiating at same sex unions.
The seeds for a second American revolution are being planted.
“what can Catholics expect?”
Jesus told all Christians what to expect in John 16:2.
“They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.”
That’s what you signed up for when you became a Christian. Wanna quit?
....Or we WILL see a second American revolution happen, it is not a of “if”, but “when”.
It is unconstitutional to acknowledge SSM as a “right”. It is absurd. It is unnatural and against God’s Laws and against Moral Law-—which comes from Natural Law Theory—the Basis of our Constitution. Right Reason-—means based on Logic, Reason and Science. Biology decries—putting body parts in incompatible holes-—and it can’t sanction such stupid acts and behaviors. It denies natural rights of offspring and destroys the idea of Duty-—inherent in Just Law and the reason for any social contracts.
Their is NO REASONING in laws which find “Rights” is stupid, dysfunctional and unnatural behaviors. All twin studies PROVE that it is learned behavior-—just as the orientation to rape babies or bestiality. We are not born with “urges” to defile body parts and the law (and media) should never glorify this evil act.
Sodomy is evil. They are forcing the laws to conform to other than “the laws of nature” into a pathetical illogical, unscientific laws-—TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. God is the Standard of Right and Wrong in our legal system-—all Jurisprudence proves that and states it in cases throughout our history. The idea of Supra Positive Law is from our Constitution—and it will always state that sodomy is evil and unconstitutional to establish as a “right”. Utter stupidity and evil.
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