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What Romney is Facing From Some Evangelical Christians
The American Thinker ^ | 1/10/2012 | Rick Moran

Posted on 01/10/2012 9:29:58 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman

No one has any idea how common this attitude toward Mormons is on the right or how it will play out in the primary process and, if it works out that way, the general election. It will be partly offset by the enthusiasm of Mormons who make up a sizable voting bloc in some western states. But it will hurt Romney's chances in several southern primary states and could affect a close general election contest.

Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect. That doesn't seem to matter to Keller who is wont to see Satan in a lot of places, and not just in the Mormon religion.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ldschurch; mormons; romney2012

1 posted on 01/10/2012 9:30:00 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Earth to the American Thinker.

Very few give a smelly Obama about RINOmeny’s religion.

Very many care about the fact that RINOmney is Obama lite, and as such, he is a vapid dork.

To repeat: RINOmney is a vapid dork.


2 posted on 01/10/2012 9:35:13 AM PST by Da Coyote (Z)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Of course there are people out there who will focus on Romney’s religion, but the vast majority of those on the right don’t care. They are much more concerned about his being a so-called “moderate” (which actually means liberal with an “R” beside his name).


3 posted on 01/10/2012 9:38:53 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

Only the liberal ones.

4 posted on 01/10/2012 9:38:59 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
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Romney, like Mormonism, is phony and I won't vote for him.

5 posted on 01/10/2012 9:40:44 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

so, are you saying if the Mitster was a Jew or a muzzie - religious bigotry wouldn’t as big a factor in the South?


6 posted on 01/10/2012 9:42:34 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: dragonblustar
I don't even know what that means in any practical sense.

recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

7 posted on 01/10/2012 9:42:58 AM PST by DManA
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
No one has any idea how common this attitude toward Mormons is on the right . . . could affect a close general election contest.

Lots of weasel words with no actual reporting. What they mean is that it's not actually an issue, but they want it to be. It fits their classic meme that republicans are bigots, and they will keep repeating the message until the leftist voters believe it and decide to vote for the failed community organizer, since at least it's better than voting for a nasty and mean-spirited "party of bigots".

8 posted on 01/10/2012 9:44:50 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: DManA
recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

The author is trying to legitimize the LDS by saying that.

9 posted on 01/10/2012 9:46:45 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Here's what Romney is facing from this evangelical Christian:

I will not vote for him under any circumstances. I believe that God wants me to act in a righteous manner and that means not casting my vote for an heretical, anti-freedom liar and cheat regardless of the outcome. BTW, his religion makes a huge difference to me. The LDS church takes the truth of my Savior Jesus Christ and twists it into an insane comic book with Nazi overtones.

I've read the Bible and don't expect things to get any better than they are now for quite a while - just the opposite. However, I've also read the back of the Book and know that Christ wins in the long run. That makes all the difference.

10 posted on 01/10/2012 9:53:16 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Just wait till the theologically ignorant left learns about Mormon underwear, the planet kolub, and the “mark of Cain/children of Satan” racist LDS history.

GOP is crazy for even thinking about running this man against a half-black president.


11 posted on 01/10/2012 9:54:18 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Mormonism = Christian sect? No way.

Mormonism = Dangerous cult followed by the ignorant? Yes.


12 posted on 01/10/2012 9:56:40 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: dragonblustar

I was waiting to see how long before someone figured that one out. Until very recently (perhaps because of Romney & Beck?), Mormonism was always considered a cult by most Christians and usually tossed in with the JW’s - the Jehovah’s Witnesses. There are many excellent schoarly books decribing the absolute foolishness that is the Mormon faith. Anthony Hoekema’s book written in 1963 is perhaps one of the most authoritative on the subject(http://www.amazon.com/Four-Major-Cults-Christian-Seventh-day/dp/0802804454). It appears that political correctness is becoming religious correctness these days.


13 posted on 01/10/2012 10:08:05 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: Pollster1

You might want to read the other comments on this thread, then clarify yourself.


14 posted on 01/10/2012 10:10:56 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Jedidah

I agree. The Republican leadership has slammed Christians out of the race, but then they push a Mormon on us. Does this make any sense? It is madness.


15 posted on 01/10/2012 10:11:01 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: CainConservative

See post 13.


16 posted on 01/10/2012 10:11:54 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: MEGoody

Romney’s moderate views are undoubtedly directly related to his Mormon faith. The Mormons have been great at political/religious correctness over the years. They have evolved out of their cultic, polygamous and racist past to become a major force in world religion and in politics as well.


17 posted on 01/10/2012 10:15:38 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Yep everything is kind of quiet on the cult of Mormonism right now. Mormons even keep the super secret upper echelon satanic rituals (yes, very satanic) from the lower Mormons.

It’s going to be holy mormon undearwear 24X7 as soon as Romney is the nominee.


18 posted on 01/10/2012 10:15:52 AM PST by RushingWater (Let's have a brokered convention and page Sarah Palin)
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To: ASOC

I do not agree with the author. I just posted it because I wanted to see how people would respond to it.


19 posted on 01/10/2012 10:17:02 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Keller is right about the Mormon religion, but that doesn't mean that Romney is lying. He probably does believe that he is a Crhistian, which just makes him mistaken, not a liar.

However, just like Obama and his race, there are so many, many reasons to vote against Romney that no one actually has to stoop so low as to attack his religion in order to find one, or a dozen, or more.

The only reason that could possibly justify a vote for Romney is that he is not Obama, and that shouldn't be a factor in the primaries. And if, the the general election there is a reasonable alternative, I have to admit I am thinking and praying over that one. I want neither man as President.

20 posted on 01/10/2012 10:25:55 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Author is basically uninformed as to Mormonism and basically attempts to make the jump that only the knuckle-dragging imbeciles in snake handling churches are those who might object to Mitt's faith.

That being said, however, most Christians that I have spoken with more object to a man who embraced abortion, gay marriage, and other socially unaccepted stances for a "conservative" candidate. Of course, once Mitt determined that becoming President should be his next career move, disavowed his pro-abortion, pro-gay rights stances.

We definitely believe in epiphanies but Romney's is just too coincidental to accept.

21 posted on 01/10/2012 10:25:55 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: chesley

Utah and Idaho are certainly being better run than either Europe or the former Soviet Union!


22 posted on 01/10/2012 10:32:13 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

“Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect.”

Rick:
You are a liar! No serious Christian organizations recognize LDS as a Christian Sect.

Not the Catholics.
Not the Baptists.
Not the Lutherans.
Not the Methodists.

That right there constitutes 90% of Christians in the USA.

Who in the Hell are you talking about?


23 posted on 01/10/2012 10:35:01 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

BTW, the guy’s religion isn’t the issue. It’s his vapid response to any issue and inability to decide who he is at his core, as a man.

No, Romney’s problemo is he is either an Oklahoma Weathervane on any issue or as Ted Kennedy eloquently put it “Multiple Choice”.


24 posted on 01/10/2012 10:38:33 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
2 John 1:10-11

So we are forbidden to even greet Romney, but we can vote for him to make him our President?

Really?

I put to you that any Christian leader that says it’s ok for other Christians to support Romney, in his present condition, is a heretic and should be soundly condemned.


25 posted on 01/10/2012 10:41:13 AM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

This astounding claim is without foundation. It is true that the more "liberal" denominations are more "accepting" of deviant theological beliefs. However, I know of no denomination which has formally accepted the LDS as a legitimate Christian church.

Mormonism has a long history of antipathy towards Christian churches and denominations, which have been called "an abomination" by Mormon founders. One can therefore understand the concerns of those who are suspicious regarding the "makeover" that the LDS church has been undergoing in the press and Mormon PR.

26 posted on 01/10/2012 10:47:07 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

This astounding claim is without foundation. It is true that the more "liberal" denominations are more "accepting" of deviant theological beliefs. However, I know of no denomination which has formally accepted the LDS as a legitimate Christian church.

Mormonism has a long history of antipathy towards Christian churches and denominations, which have been called "an abomination" by Mormon founders. One can therefore understand the concerns of those who are suspicious regarding the "makeover" that the LDS church has been undergoing in the press and Mormon PR.

27 posted on 01/10/2012 10:49:01 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: tjd1454

I agree.


28 posted on 01/10/2012 10:57:05 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: Dr. Thorne

The Republican establishment is certainly taking a big risk with Romney. They are potentially alienating a sizable portion of their voting bloc - the evangelical Christian vote. They are hoping that the indepedent vote will overcome those Christians who decide to stay out of the race. If America was like Massachussetts, their political impulses would be correct from a strict political point of view, but I do not believe that the Northeast is indicative of the rest of the country, nor even of the evangelical vote there.


29 posted on 01/10/2012 11:03:13 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Jedidah

Obama and his minions will not be able to make religion an issue because of his ties to Jeremigh Wright. On the other hand, neither will Romney make a big deal out of Wright because of his own Mormonism. It is interesting to me that in all three areas where Obama is most vulnerable - his bigoted pastor, healthcare and the green economy, Romney will not be able to take full advantage of any of them as because of his own involvement in global warming, healthcare, and then lastly - his Mormonism.


30 posted on 01/10/2012 11:08:59 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: RushingWater

[It’s going to be holy mormon undearwear 24X7 as soon as Romney is the nominee.]
You betcha. I have studied Mormonism in depth after having been run over by some of them in business and politics here in Las Vegas. The number of ‘crazy Mormon ideas’ that will be debated ENDLESSLY are just suffocating to Romney’s political future, even if he wins.

You think we had problems with Hussein Obama’s muslim past, wait till people start looking into Kolob and becoming a god with spirit wives. The elite GOP who want their business crony boy in power have no idea the number of problems Mormonism will cause. The debate over Bain is minor in comparison.


31 posted on 01/10/2012 11:16:27 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Utah and Idaho. Two fine states.

Which one is Romney running?


32 posted on 01/10/2012 11:25:46 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: chesley

Neither one of course. The tongue in cheek point was that much of Utah’s and Idaho’s politics is very Mormon.


33 posted on 01/10/2012 11:29:08 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: FastCoyote
The ceaseless mention of garments will be irritating, but wait until the press discover that Mormon men believe they can become gods equal to Jesus. That is their belief. Really. I cannot vote for this guy.
34 posted on 01/10/2012 11:32:20 AM PST by T bench ("God wills it." Urban II)
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To: FastCoyote
The ceaseless mention of garments will be irritating, but wait until the press discover that Mormon men believe they can become gods equal to Jesus. That is their belief. Really. I cannot vote for this guy.
35 posted on 01/10/2012 11:32:37 AM PST by T bench ("God wills it." Urban II)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

And the Mormons are fine people. It’s just that I believe their religion to be wrong, and not the way of salvation.

Of course, I also believe that about Muslimns, Buddhists, Hindus, pagans, jehovah’s Witnesses, and a lot of mainstream Protestants, among others.

Doesn’t mean I couldn’t vote for most of them, if their politics is right. Romney’s isn’t.


36 posted on 01/10/2012 11:33:08 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: chesley

I hear you.


37 posted on 01/10/2012 12:17:02 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: dragonblustar; tjd1454
Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

This author flat out lied, none of them, nor the Catholic church, nor the Orthodox church recognizes Mormonism as Christian, and they do not accept Mormon Baptism as Christian.

38 posted on 01/10/2012 12:20:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: tjd1454
Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect

People need to post comments at that site and bury that incredible lie.

No churches think that Mormonism is Christian, and that includes the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

We are going to see a flood of this altering of reality and Christian truth if Romney is nominated.

The most common tactic is to separate "Evangelical" from Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox, and pretend that only a few "fundamentalists" don't accept Mormonism as Christian, we need Catholics to speak up when that happens, Pope John II pronounced on the subject, and rejected Mormon baptism as non-Christian. The Orthodox church openly uses the label "cult" when explaining that Mormons are not Christian.

39 posted on 01/10/2012 12:47:02 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman; ansel12; dragonblustar
There appears to be a concerted effort to present Mormonism as a legitimate Christian denomination. I was just searching Christian music videos on YouTube: on the top of each search page was one of those "...and I'm a Mormon" advertisements. These videos were not germaine to my search, yet there they were.

I am currently reading Irvin Stone's classic work on the settling of the American West, Men to Move My Mountains. The book discusses Joseph Smith's ambitious plans to found a Mormon empire that would stretch Westward to California. Smith was an autocrat who tolerated no dissension, and forced his people to accept polygamy. The book records the heart-wrenching devastation of Mormon women who saw their husbands turn their affections to their new young brides. Were it not for the rising up of righteous (Christian) indignation by the rest of the country, Mormons would be practicing polygamy today.

Those familiar with the bizarre world-view of Mormonism, with its evolving "Godhead" and promise of future divinity on another planet to faithful Mormons - and its relegation of Jesus to "Satan's brother" and a minor son of a god of this planet - are very understandably concerned about what a Mormon president would mean for the country.

It is worth mentioning that Romney is by no means a "jack Mormon" (non-practicing Mormon in name only). He is a bishop in the LDS church, and served as a "missionary" in his youth. Thus his commitment to Mormonism runs very deep.

Despite serious theological disagreements, I would consider voting for a Mormon who demonstrated genuine conservative, pro-family positions - over Obama, at least. However, in Romney's case, his active Mormonism combined with his liberal economic and anti-family positions as well as his shady history at Bain Capital mark him as a shameless opportunist who will do anything to secure the GOP nomination.

Finally, here's a question crying out for an answer: what percentage of Romney's campaign staff are Mormon, and how are Mormon groups and individuals aiding and abetting his campaign behind the scenes?

40 posted on 01/10/2012 12:53:48 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: ansel12
We are going to see a flood of this altering of reality and Christian truth if Romney is nominated.

Agreed. Good for the Pope and the Orthodox for clearly marking Mormonism as not Christian. The absurdity of this situation is that faithful Christians are criticized for being "intolerant" towards Mormons, when in truth the Mormon religion was founded upon the pernicious teaching that all Christian denominations were false and an "abomination."

41 posted on 01/10/2012 1:00:24 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: ansel12
This author flat out lied, none of them, nor the Catholic church, nor the Orthodox church recognizes Mormonism as Christian, and they do not accept Mormon Baptism as Christian.

I'm finding a lot of Romney supporters who are so called Christians are either lying about his faith or just ignorant of it and don't care to know the truth. ( Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Rove, Laura Ingraham, etc...)

42 posted on 01/10/2012 1:12:54 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: tjd1454

The Romney family immigrated here 170 years ago to directly serve Joseph Smith, the Romneys are one of the most insider and powerful families of the Mormon religion.

Bishop Mitt Romney is a very high ranking Mormon, very devout, very devoted, very powerful, and is part of the 15% of the secretive elite, Romney is so elite, that if he became President, he would require not just Mormon Secret Service, but Mormons who are part of the 15%, who can join him in the secret ceremonies of the Mormon elite, for at least some events during the years of his presidency and post presidency. Normal Mormons, and non-Mormons are forbidden in the secret events and ceremonies such as the weddings of the elites, (Ann Romney’s parents were forbidden to witness her marriage to Mitt).


43 posted on 01/10/2012 1:14:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FastCoyote
I have studied Mormonism in depth after having been run over by some of them in business and politics here in Las Vegas.

BEST POST OF THE THREAD!

Exactly...The problem with Mittwitt goes far deeper than "Are Mormons Christians?" Yes that matters, because they want a new Jerusalem in Missouri and all the apocalypse that goes alog with it. BUT

The biggest...not yet known widely, problem...is that it is a HUGE business and they conduct their business in secret and they will run over non-mormons without even slowing down...metaphorically of course.

44 posted on 01/10/2012 1:53:33 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: ansel12

This is very alarming. There are powerful forces that are ensuring that information like this stays out of the public eye.


45 posted on 01/10/2012 2:23:58 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: Da Coyote
Find out about a cult
46 posted on 01/10/2012 3:56:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: blasater1960

[The biggest...not yet known widely, problem...is that it is a HUGE business and they conduct their business in secret and they will run over non-mormons without even slowing down...metaphorically of course.]

And it isn’t like I don’t know Mormons. My broker/boss is Jack Mormon,a new business partner is Mormon, I was 15 years in a business deal with a crazy “got his planet early” Mormon, I was almost suckered into a harassment lawsuit by a Mormon woman (who’d done the same thing before), dated a shunned Mormon divorcee, and know more about Mormon Harry Reid that most anyone in the state.

That’s why I’ve studied them in depth, self survival.


47 posted on 01/10/2012 7:40:42 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect.

Simply not true. There (lds) are recognized as a cult.

48 posted on 01/11/2012 6:53:45 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
"Most mainstream protestant religions recognize the LDS as a Christian sect."

The author can only be referring here to the liberal wing of the old confessional denominations which are neither "mainstream" nor a "majority" of Protestants.

49 posted on 01/11/2012 9:56:26 AM PST by circlecity
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