Posted on 01/11/2012 7:08:12 AM PST by NYer
That is the situation in my previous parish and the reason I left when the pastor refused to place the processional cross next to the altar. Oftentimes, he dispensed with the processional cross altogether.
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I think the Quote Goes,,,
“If You deny me on Earth , I will deny you before My Father”.
The whole Catholic Church exists because of the Crucified Christ.
Again, search the Scriptures first and then decide.
The Scriptures were compiled by the Catholic Church, dear friend. Scripture, however, must be interpreted in light of Church tradition.
"But in learning the Faith and in professing it, acquire and keep that only, which is now delivered to thee by the Church, and which has been built up strongly out of all the Scriptures....Take heed then, brethren, and hold fast the traditions which ye now receive, and write them and the table of your heart."
Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 5:12 (A.D. 350).
If I’m reading you right, kindred, you’re saying (asking) why would Jesus rail against one highly ritualized religion that has many manmade commandments(Pharisees) and replace it with another (Catholicism)? Is that your point?
Two passages from Scripture you've apparently never stumbled across in your exhaustive search.
"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." 1 Corinthians 1:23-24
"For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until He come." 1 Corinthians 11:26
I think you need to read the Gospels a bit more carefully. Our Lord's objection wasn't to "ritualized religion" (he practiced one), nor was it to "manmade commandments" (he followed them, more than once). He even commanded his Apostles to obey the teaching of the Pharisees, but not to follow their bad example.
His objection was to those who boasted of their religiosity and their (religiously-rooted) superiority over others, all the while engaging in gross sins, most especially that of plotting to kill him. If you lose sight of that, you misunderstand his whole polemic.
As for the crucifix, we are commanded to obey our superiors in religion (Hebrews 13:7, 13:17), who have commanded us to put the crucifix on or near the altar, to remind us precisely that "we preach Christ crucified" (1 Cor 1:23).
I’m just asking kindred what his/her post meant. I don’t wish to imply motive to anothers post, so I have to ask point blank what he/she meant.
On that we can agree except I capitalize Him when Jesus is the noun/pronoun. And capitalize His polemic as well.
Why do Catholics want to keep Christ on the cross? Like the tomb it has been empty for 2000 years!
Why do you want to ignore the fact that Christ died on the cross for us. Just sayin.
1 Corinthians 2:
1 And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.[a] 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Galatians 3:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
Why do you want to ignore Scripture and forget that He was crucified?
My Dad had been dead since 1982. I still have a picture displayed in my house of the time he received the “Man of the Year” award from the Cleveland Trucking Association in 1980. That was a long time ago.
The picture is not “Daddy”. Dad is dead. He has long since gone on to his reward. That crucifix is not Christ. He has long since risen from the dead.
However, both are reminders of a time long gone. Of the sacrifice Christ made and of the achievement of my father.
**A: While I don’t think it is a good idea to cover the cross during these liturgical seasons, it does not appear to be illicit.
It is illicit, however, not to have any crucifix presiding over the altar during the celebration. The processional cross could fulfill this function, but only if it is placed on a stand beside the altar during the celebration.**
Same quote as you have. We don’t cover our Crucifix during Lent.
Perhaps you could read the Passion again. Can you find out why it is so important tthat Crhrist was crucified and died in this manner?
What about the prophets?
As a former Lutheran, I find the Evangelical objection to the crucifix perplexing because my Lutheran parish had them.
It’s something how the Bible says something different to each sect.
it doesn't, but it does warn against individual interpretation of the bible. The church was given, by Christ, the authority to compile and therefore interpret the bible, and in so doing, He promised that she would do so without error!!! OK by me
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