Skip to comments.What 2012 means to Mormons
Posted on 01/11/2012 11:06:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Every Mormon I know has been watching Mitt Romneys presidential campaign with close interest because of the kinship we feel with him. And, for his part, Romney has used Mormon social and business networks to enlist bundlers, donors, and volunteers. Those networks may play a role in key campaign states like Nevada. But it would be a mistake to believe that all Mormons plan to vote for Romney this fall. Some Mormon conservatives feel strongly about Ron Pauls economic message, and a substantial minority of us-about 15 to 20 percent--are Democrats and will vote for Barack Obama this November.
However we vote and whatever happens to Mitt Romney, Mormons across the political spectrum are riveted by the kind of attention our faith is getting in the national media. Mormons know that our religion seems exotic and even esoteric, and we chuckle when we compare sensationalistic media depictions of Mormonism to our everyday lives. Surveys show that most Americans still have little to no understanding of what Mormons believe. Mormon habits of social insularity may inadvertently contribute to this understanding: like many religious minorities, LDS people often prefer to socialize and marry within our own communities.
But 2012 will challenge Latter-day Saints to retool their relationship to the American public and public scrutiny. Demand for information about Romney and his background will build as he marches towards the GOP nomination. Certainly there will be thoughtful, in-depth reporting on Mormon history, belief, and culture. Many Mormons are also nervous that media outlets will try to expose LDS temple ceremonies that the community honors in private....
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
and a substantial minority of us-about 15 to 20 percent—are Democrats and will vote for Barack Obama this November.
Are you voting for him BECAUSE he is the Democrat or because you believe he can do the job or has done the job?
I am a Republican and I can assure you that I will not be voting for either Romney or Paul...
“we find it painful when our faith is stereotyped as a cult”
Deal with it. Mormonism IS a cult.
Of course, Bishop Romney has already come out against having a Muslim in his cabinet.
Because above Faith, Country and Family, being a Commie Pinko WaPo reporter trumps all. What a cliched leftist hack.
What worries me is that this religion is easy to paint as racist, and this has been a GREAT strategy for the ‘RATs of late.
While Mormon’s themselves are great, the church didn’t allow blacks to join until 1978.
Since percentagewise they are not that large, it would mean the ‘RATs could run with it without much backlash.
Voting records indicate that 94% will vote for Romney.
That is just strange as mormons and islam have been partnering for decades. They hold joint prayers, lds lend money to build mosques.
I just do not believe Romney about this.
ansel12: Of course, Bishop Romney has already come out against having a Muslim in his cabinet.
svcw: I just do not believe Romney about this.
In 2007-08 Romney was asked about having a Moslem in his cabinet if he was elected POTUS
He said No, there are not enough Moslems in the US. Their persentage is too small...
Someone must have reminded him that while at the time there were about 2% Moslems, the Mormons only made up 1%...
There were about half the amount of Mormons...
He backtracked a day or so later...
Makes one wonder if Romney would be eligible to be able to work in the White House himself using his own rules...
I was wondering where all the money and support comes from. I have heard that there are many very rich Mormon companies. Among them Marriott Hotels, Albertson’s Foodstores....Others?
I know that Mormon towns are very exclusive in supporting ther Mormons so I assume that it would be the same in business and politics.
PING to #10
I’m guessing she’s a Democrat and will be voting for Obama in November... no matter what.
Is Joanna Brooks naive or what?
I mean what? Just because "only" 94% of Mormons (vs. 100% of Mormons) will vote for Mitt, that she's technically "right" in her article assertions here?
Where do I get the 94% figure?
#1: 94% of Mormons in Utah voted for Romney in 2008:
"While the former Massachusetts governors faith has been a flashpoint in his campaign, it was perhaps one of his strongest assets in Utah, where more than 60% of the states residents share his faith. Exit poll data shows Romney swept voters across the board, handily winning every social, economic, and generational demographic in the state, as well as 94% of all Mormon voters." (Susan Davis, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 5, 2008, Romney Wins Utah With Help From Friends [Note: The Wall Street Journal was citing MSNBC.msn.com...]
#2: 94% of Mormons in Nevada voted for Romney in 2008:
Per the Mormon Church, Mormons make up about 7.5% of Nevada's population. But according to the entrance polls so far, a whopping 25% of those who participated in the state's GOP caucuses are Mormons. And 94% of those people went with Romney.
Source: Nevada Mormons turn out for Romney (Mark Murray, MSNBC, Jan. 19, 2008)
#3 I'd say that with two states contributing the exact same Mormon data -- with similar data I saw posted on FR back in '08 re: the 8% of AZ Mormons...my take would be that both Idaho & Wyoming Mormons fell into the same 2008 voting patterns when it came to Romney.
#4 For more recent confirmation, see how in the Summer of 2011, the Mormon apologetics group, FAIR, had a conference and revealed a Gallup poll of GOP voters in Utah. It said that 85% of Utah GOP voters planned to vote for Romney; another 11% for Huntsman. Both are Mormons. That means only 4% of Utah Mormons had a non-Mormon in mind.
Source: Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy...
Can you say lock-step, anyone?
Now I don't think it's "bigoted" of Mormons to vote on the basis of a fellow Mormon -- and for them to be intolerant toward non-Mormon candidates. Hey, we live in a FREE Republic and Mormon voters can use ANY criteria they want in voting.
But why does the "Bigot Patrol" that we see operating here on FR give Mormons a free pass? Same with the MSM? If they vote for a Mormon only because or primarily because the candidate is also a Mormon, shouldn't the "Bigot Patrol" accuse them of bigotry?
And then with the MSM, could you imagine 94-96% of Catholics saying they would vote for Santorum and Gingrich (the Catholics in the race)?
Can you imagine what the MSM would do with that?
But with Mormons? We see the Washington Post and the rest of the lamestream press giving Mormon voters a free pass.
The info above? Hard to come by. Why? Because the lamestream press is once again asleep at the keyboard.
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Interesting that Joanna Brooks, a Mormon, acknowledges how polygamy remains in Mormon doctrine to this very day!
That's true both doctrinally (Doctrine & Covenants 132 is STILL on the books)...
...as well as policy wise...meaning that an Lds person...as long as he or she marries spouses consecutively and not simultaneously...
...can still be married to each partner supposedly "for eternity" [Lds believe in myth of eternal marriage]...
So that means, there's going to be a LOT of eternal polygamists among Mormons who are alive right now!
But, of course, Mormons deceitfully would have you believe that polygamy doesn't have a thing to do with what's going on now in another colony (Kolob), or that Mormons aren't in 2012 lining up multiple spouses in heaven...And, btw, that's male AND female (Yes, a Mormon woman can have multiple husbands all at the same time in the Mormon afterlife!)
Don't hold your breath waiting for Mormons to admit that to you!
Wow! Nice softball-like treatment of something otherwise known quite frankly as open racism!
Think of it. It's early Spring 1978...and Mitt Romney is age 31...and Mitt Romney's "good old boy network" that he has membership in...otherwise known as the "Mormon church"...still wouldn't let blacks...
...be married in their temples...
...or be part of their male priesthood.
All because they are not "white and delightsome" (a phrase in the Book of Mormon)
Now. You need to understand something here. Mormon doctrine is that unless you have a temple recommend, you won't be eligible for the highest degree of Mormon heavenly glory. And if you don't reach that level, you won't live forever with Heavenly Father.
That means that until 1978, the bad news of the Mormon "gospel" proclaimed that exactly 0% of blacks would live forever with Heavenly Father.
Mormonism essentially "shut the door" of living with God based upon skin color alone.
And we think Obama and his cohorts won't notice this little historical fact why in 2012?
“But it would be a mistake to believe that all Mormons plan to vote for Romney this fall.”
Hello. It would also be a mistake to believe that all evangelicals plan to NOT vote for Romney this fall.
So, it is okay to form your vote solely around being a Mormon, but according to many Freepers, I am bigoted if I oppose Romney on religious grounds.I’m pretty sick of the hypocrisy.
Not that I like Romney’s politics either.
Yup; even us ANTIs on FR are left wondering what you guys BELIEVE from reading what MORMONs on FR post.
But; we CAN show quite plainly what your chosen religious organization has written, taught, now prints, teaches and it's checkered history as well as it's sources.
Hopefully this effort will be rewarded by the dissemination of this data by the larger info outlets.
We can use our awareness of how it feels to be misunderstood and mistreated...
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).
Of course, this is subject to change...
While Mormons themselves are great, the church didnt allow blacks to join until 1978.
I guess it took their god(s) a while to get another council together...
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,
"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.
According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parentson the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
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is Mia Love, and I'm a Mormon.
They would NOT have been smiling so a hundred years ago!
Says it’s MORMONs you are referring to!
Hello indeed, Sandy.
Are you up to answering ANY questions today?
"I can barely get an ad on TV to sell cars to y'all these days!"
Please do NOT continue to make yourself look so petulant by IGNORING these facts like you have for SO many months.
Don't know if it was the same in '08 or not but Utah is listed as the very last primary this year. If it was the same in '08, they voted for the Mormon even though John McCain already had a lock on the nomination.
Religion above every thing for them. My two top candidates left running are both Catholic, I'm not.
Yesterday on another thread we were treated to yet another "Constitutionalist" telling us that we were applying an unconstitutional "religious test" to Romney. Mormon's and Mormons apologists will stoop to anything to get their Milty in the White House - even abject ignorance, or rather, assuming that the rest of us are as ignorant as they are.
“I’m a Mormon”
Who gives a Chit?
I should have made that mush clearer.
94%+ of mormons WILL vote for Romney, as they always have and always will.
While Mormons themselves are great, the church didnt allow blacks to join until 1978.
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Oh, they were allowed to join, and pay their tithing, they just weren’t allowed to get the priesthood (which every white male over the age of 12 could have and most did), thus they were not allowed to serve LDS missions, go through the LDS temple, get married for ‘eternity’ or get into the Celestial Kingdom (the only real Heaven for Mormons).
But they could be baptized and attend meetings and PAY THEIR TITHING (its all about the money).
94%+ of mormons voted for Romney
49% of (so called evangelicals) voted for Romney.
All the (so called evangelicals) I know are not voting for Romney because he is a liberal.
(Hey you know his liberal list of positions, why are you denying it?)
The real question is why would a so called group of conservatives (lds) vote for this liberal.
(We all know the answer, lds trumps everything else.)
It always has and always will, to a tune of 94%+.
Well lets see, you are a Mormon who supports Romney, I am an Evangelical who will never vote for Romney...
That sample gives us 100%.
The Mormons were founded on polygamy, and many of their branch offs still practice that. That's going to be another problem for them to face. The liberals will love it because after gay marriages will come polygamy and other forms of perversions.
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
I don't know if being a HOMOSEXUAL will get you EXCOMMUNICATED though.
She DOES NOT represent the LDS church. This is clear if you know what LDS issues she also campaigns for:
Despite clearly not representing SLC, she's picked to speak for Mormons. From her website:
[Joanna Brooks} has also been featured on NPRs All Things Considered, NPRs Talk of the Nation, BBCs Americana, Interfaith Voices, and Radio West. Her writing has appeared in the Washington Post, Huffington Post, the Michigan Quarterly Review, and Killing the Buddha, and she has been utilized as a source on contemporary Mormonism by the New York Times, Reuters, Salt Lake Tribune, Washington Post, Salon, BBC Sky News, New America Media, Pittsburgh Gazette-Post, The Tennessean, Headline News Network, Fox News, the Boston Globe, Newsweek, and the Deseret News.
Jeff? Saundra? Would you say Joanna speaks for you and the LDS Church? She's a long-time promoter of LGBT equality in the LDS Church. People are excommunicated for that, aren't they? I've read "no,' but Egnew, Pingree, Fales? Others?
One of the September Six, Maxine Hanks, was excommunicated for promoting feminism in the LDS church back in 1993. Wasn't she?
There's a lot of pressure to tithe. And you can't get or keep your Temple Recommend unless you tithe; and you can't enter the Celestial Kingdom (the highest of the three levels of heaven) without the Temple Recommend and tithing.
And the church invests in shopping malls, beef cattle ranches, radio stations and many business ventures. Almost all members of the First Presidency are very successful businessmen.
And it's clergy (under the First Presidency) are unpaid, and members are "called" to clean the toilets and such.
One criticism of the church is that the books are not open, even to members, and that the LDS church spends almost nothing on charitable giving other than aid to other Mormons. According to some LDS-issued reports, the church gave $750 million in aid over 22 years (the church is estimated to be worth about $80 billion). It's spent more that four times that much building the City Creek Mall in SLC. So the mall cost four times as much as the church spent on charitable spending in 22 years.
Cynics would also mention that early wealth of the church came from the Fancher wagon train in 1857. One of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest, wagon trains to head west.
Never heard of her.
To my knowledge, she has not been asked by, or called by the Church to be any kind of spokes person, and she does not hold any regional or church wide position.
I do not know if she is even a member.
She certainly does not speak for me.
As to homosexuals in the church, they are counciled by their bishop and leadership to not commit fornication or any other sexual sin, they are counciled to adopt normal sexual relations within the bounds of matrimony and cannot be “married” in any kind of homosexual ceremony within the church.
If they continue openly in such a life style, ultimately a church court will be held and they can be disfellowshipped or ex-communicated depending on exactly what they are doing and what their attitude is about it.
If they have these inclinations, but live a life of cellibacy, then they can be active and received in full fellowship as long as they do not try and convince others that such a life style is “ok”, as long as they do not actively live or promote it.
The same would be said for someone committing fornication with persons of the opposite sex, or adultry...they would receive similar council and similar reaction/council/discipline from the church.