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There is only ONE true Church
Bible | 33-90 AD | God Christ Jesus Apostle Paul

Posted on 01/14/2012 8:23:15 PM PST by bibletruth

In the present dispensation there is only ONE true Church, which is called the Body of Christ separate and distinct from the prophesied, earthly kingdom of Christ vested in redeemed National Israel as a called-out nation or church, assembly or congregation, above all other nations.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: onebodyofchrist; onetruechurch
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To: Markos33
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Amen! Markos! A humble and contrite heart he will not ignore! Thank God for his Grace!!

151 posted on 01/15/2012 1:05:00 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: neverbluffer

Could you tell me where I can find the “real” version of the Bible. I’d be very interested in reading it.


152 posted on 01/15/2012 1:16:52 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: conservativguy99

If that is so, then why does it seem that the messages Jesus gave us through the Bible don’t look like they have much to do with the practises of the Catholic church. Rosaries, praying to saints, hails to Mary and calling her Queen of Heaven, Statues of Jesus still on the cross, prayers that sound like chants, calling the high priest Holy Father, saying that he is infallible, vows of silence, the “eucharist”, etc. I don’t have anything against the Catholic church, as I find they do good works just like other religions, though maybe them more so because they get more money in their coffers than other religions seem to. And I know there are true Christians in just about every Christian denomination. I’m truly wondering where they get some fo their rituals and beliefs that’s all.


153 posted on 01/15/2012 1:23:28 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: kelly4c

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


154 posted on 01/15/2012 1:30:28 AM PST by narses
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To: neverbluffer

I think there’s a verse towards the end of the New Testament maybe that states we are not to call any religious figure “Father” because we have only one Father and that is God in heaven.


155 posted on 01/15/2012 1:41:48 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: narses

Why did not Jesus himself bestow praise upon Mary, his Mother? Instead when she and his brothers came looking for him Jesus basically brushes them off. He does not appear to hold her any more esteemed than a normal son would of his mom. I agree that she is a special human being in history but I just don’t see much about her in all the Bible. All the focus is on God, Jesus and his disciples. Surely if Mary were supposed to be prayed to (talking to her in heaven)and held in such high esteem and fitted with special names and seen in apparitions, etc. God would have made that abundantly clear for us in the scriptures? How can she be called co-redemtrix when not once in all of scripture are we instructed to call her, or view her as such?


156 posted on 01/15/2012 1:57:59 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: kelly4c

LOL, brushes her off? What were Our Lord’s last instructions to an Apostle?

But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home. (Jn. 19:25–27)


157 posted on 01/15/2012 2:03:20 AM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear
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Cynical bear writes: (SOURCE: Iraeneus Against Heresies, Volume I, Book III, Para 3)

THIS FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS WRONG! YOU SHOULD READ MORE OF THIS IRAENEOUS.

"Did you notice that it was Paul who made mention of Linus, not Peter? With no indication of Peter ever being in Rome nor any indication that Peter in fact was the head of the Apostles there can be no legitimate claim that Peter was the first Pope or that the RC was built on Peter."

SINCE YOU LIKE TO QUOTE IRAENENOUS TO TRY TO PROVE SOMETHING. HERE HE STATES PETER IN ROME.

Here is Iraeneus on Peter and Paul together in Rome.

AGAINST HERESIES BOOK 3 Chapter 3 "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also means of the successions of the bishops...

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HE EVEN KNEW POLYCARP. But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true...Read More[Read More]

Adversus Haereses (Book III, Chapter 1)

Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul Were Preaching AT Rome, and Laying the Foundations of the Church...Read More[Read More]

Adversus Haereses (Book III, Chapter 3) Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also means of the successions of the bishops...Read More[Read More]

Adversus Haereses (Book III, Chapter 10) Wherefore also Mark, the interpreter and follower of Peter, does thus commence his Gospel narrative: "The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; as it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send My messenger before Thy face, which shall prepare Thy way...

158 posted on 01/15/2012 2:04:59 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: kelly4c

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priesthood.html#priesthood-I


159 posted on 01/15/2012 2:27:44 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: kelly4c

Misunderstandings about Jesus “rebuking” Mary

Matt. 12:48; Mark 3:33; Luke 8:21 - when Jesus asks, “Who are my mother, and sisters and brothers?,” some Protestants argue that Jesus is rebuking Mary in order to denigrate her. To the contrary, when Jesus’ comments are read in light of Luke 8:5-15 and the parable of the sower which Jesus taught right before His question, Jesus is actually implying that Mary has already received the word as the sower of good ground and is bearing fruit. Jesus is teaching that others must, like Mary, also receive the word and obey it.

Matt. 12:48; Mark 3:33; Luke 8:21 - Jesus’ question about “who are my mother, and sisters and brothers” was also made in reference to Psalm 69:8-9. Jesus the Prophet was answering the psalmist’s prophecy that those closest to Him would betray Him at His passion. Jesus is emphasizing the spiritual family’s importance over the biological family, and the importance of being faithful to Him. While many were unfaithful to Jesus, Mary remained faithful to Him, even to the point of standing at the foot of the Cross.

Matt. 12:48; Mark 3:33; Luke 8:21 - finally, to argue that Jesus rebuked Mary is to argue that Jesus violated the Torah, here, the 4th commandment. This argument is blasphemous because it essentially says that God committed sin by dishonoring His Mother.

Luke 11:28 - when Jesus says, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it,” some Protestants also call this a rebuke of Mary. Again, to the contrary, Jesus is exalting Mary by emphasizing her obedience to God’s word as being more critical than her biological role of mother. This affirms Luke 1:48.

Luke 11:28 - also, the Greek word for “rather” is “menounge.” Menounge really means “Yes, but in addition,” or “Further.” Thus, Jesus is saying, yes my mother is blessed indeed, but further blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it. Jesus is encouraging others to follow Mary’s example in order to build up His kingdom.

Luke 11:27-28 - finally, Jesus is the one being complimented, not Mary. Therefore, Jesus is refocusing the attention from Him to others who obey the word of God. If He is refocusing the attention away from Him to others, His comment cannot be a rebuke of Mary His mother.

John 2:4 - this is another example that Protestants use to diminish Mary’s significance. Jesus’ question to Mary, “what have you to do with me?” does no such thing. To the contrary, Jesus’ question illustrates the importance of Mary’s role in the kingdom. Jesus’ question is in reality an invitation to His mother to intercede on behalf of all believers and begin His ministry, and His Mother understands this. Mary thus immediately intercedes, Jesus obeys her, and performs the miracle which commenced His ministry of redemption.

Luke 8:28 - the demons tell Jesus the same thing, “what have you to do with us.” The demons are not rebuking Jesus, for God would not allow it. Instead, the demons are acknowledging the power of Jesus by their question to Him.

John 2:4; 19:26 - when Jesus uses the title “woman” (gnyai), it is a title of dignity and respect. It is the equivalent of Lady or Madam. Jesus honored His Mother as God requires us to do.

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160 posted on 01/15/2012 2:32:16 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: kelly4c

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/blessed_virgin_mary.html


161 posted on 01/15/2012 2:33:19 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: DennisR
Have never seen anything in Scripture that would confirm what you say. The only thing Scripture mentions is “the church.” Period. And every believer who has repented for their sins and believes in the finished work of Christ is a member of His Body, the church. Case closed.

The reason I went non-denominational. There are well over 30,000 sects of Christianity and all of them use different interpretations of the Bible to set themselves apart. I prefer the Truth from the Bible without men elevating themselves by presuming the gift of miracle and such.

162 posted on 01/15/2012 3:25:15 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb
"There are well over 30,000 sects of Christianity and all of them use different interpretations of the Bible to set themselves apart."

That's not true at all. Musical and liturgical issues set more denominations apart than theological or scriptural issues.

163 posted on 01/15/2012 3:52:09 AM PST by circlecity
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To: johngrace
Actually Jesus question to Mary, “What have I to do with you?” is an idiomatic expression of the Middle East and means simply, “Why are you troubling ME with this matter?” or “It's not something I should concern myself with”.

The same expression is used elsewhere in the Bible such as by Elisha at 2 Kings 3:13: “And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee?”

164 posted on 01/15/2012 5:13:59 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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165 posted on 01/15/2012 5:21:59 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: johngrace; kelly4c

Re; your quote: John 2:4, 1:26, you are correct. The term “Woman” in addressing Mary is a term of dignity, and not at all the same as in its present usage in our particular culture and language.

Also, re: John 2:4 : the late, great Archbishop Fulton Sheen, who was a known Scripture scholar, said that the most accurate translation of that verse is “What is to Me is to you”, and actually hearkens back to Luke 2:15: “..and thy own soul a sword shall pierce that out of many hearts, thoughts shall be revealed”. Mary had said to her Son: ‘They have no wine” She was indicating a need and interceding for it. Jesus’ reply to her indicated to her that the advent of His first public miracle would be the opening of His public ministry and subsequent death, and signified her role of sharing spiritually in His suffering; His heart pierced with a lance, her soul being pierced as Simeon had foretold.


166 posted on 01/15/2012 6:04:38 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: circlecity; Treb
"Musical and liturgical issues set more denominations apart than theological or scriptural issues"

Which music do the large number of Protestant Churches now ordaining women and queers as well as marrying one queer to another, approving of abortion, etc., prefer? Show Tunes, Disco, House Music?

It's nowhere near that simple and not nearly that easy to dismiss the differences. You could probably narrow that tens of thousands down to just thousands, but not to the point that it's an insignificant number of different doctrines and doctrinal disputes. Thousands rather than tens of thousands isn't much of an improvement and still proves that those among the thousands do not constitute the One True Church. Even if you try to play games by pretending the "Invisible" and "essential and nonessential" doctrines paper over the differences there's no way to deny that thousands of different churches couldn't happen were the Holy Spirit leading all those churches or even the majority of them. The fact is, all three legs of the Protestant stool have been sinking into the mud of self-interpretation ever since Luther iced the cake Wycliffe baked by shedding the sacraments and all authority other than Luther.

Like it or not, most non-Catholics in this country today belong to The Invisible Church of The Most High Self the same as so many Catholics have ceased to be Catholic and instead become members of that same church. Such folks worship the Most High Self no matter what they claim to the contrary. Satan is a past master of divide and conquer tactics and he's hands down defeating those who claim which church they attend doesn't matter, that they're their own church, that they can worship alone, that they only need the Bible and not fellowship, and so forth. All of those are just different ways to make yourself an easy lunch for the Deceiver who as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour.

The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is the Church Christ Himself founded and entrusted to the care of his Apostles. If you don't like that or don't believe that, fine, but don't claim that Christ would abandon His flock for fifteen hundred plus years or allow a lie with His name on it spread throughout the world while the few "real" Christians huddled in caves hording their virgin lamp oil, or that the heretics throughout history were the "real" Christians. Not only does such hokum slander both Christ and the Holy Spirit by calling both of the liars who cannot keep their promises, it marks you as both gullible and too lazy to study Christianity rather than just soaking up cliches. Just admit that you don't think Christ cares if you're a member of His Church, or that Christ doesn't care that His Father said He wanted none to perish.

There's no sense in playing Russian Roulette but telling others you're really just checking to see if the gun is loaded, fess up to playing Russian Roulette and go on about your business without slandering Christ and the Holy Ghost.

167 posted on 01/15/2012 6:13:02 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: bibletruth; All
Marking this thread for future reference the next time I get into an FR argument about how Unitarians, or JW's, or LDS, aren't Christian.

The comity here among the "true Christians" is very instructive to an atheist like myself.

168 posted on 01/15/2012 6:41:14 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: count-your-change

Ping to #166


169 posted on 01/15/2012 6:45:26 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty
Thank You!! I love Fulton Sheen. I have read 3 of his books. Life ofChrist, Treasure in Clay and Peace of Mind.

When reading Life Of Christ He shows his superior intellect but is still readable for the common christian. He had a gift and insight like no other. I am reading it now. I reread it every 10 years it seems. Amen!

170 posted on 01/15/2012 6:48:09 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl
I found your guy Linus, but no “office of the episcopate”. So you are telling us the 12 Apostles handed over the keys of the kingdom of heaven to this obscure person mentioned only once in the Bible to be the second Bishop of Rome? Really? Linus & Lucy and Charlie Brown are having a good laugh! I know I am!

It's not my guy Linus, it's Irenaeus' guy Linus, that he recorded in "Against Heresies." I am not advocating for the papacy, I'm pointing out that an early church father apparently did not regard Peter as the first Pope.

171 posted on 01/15/2012 7:00:40 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: conservativguy99

Longevity makes nothing right.


172 posted on 01/15/2012 7:42:38 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: conservativguy99

Longevity makes nothing right.


173 posted on 01/15/2012 7:42:44 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: neverbluffer

You are wrong.


174 posted on 01/15/2012 7:45:03 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: neverbluffer; smvoice; HossB86; RnMomof7; metmom; boatbums; caww; Iscool; ...
>> starting at the time of Peter, which, is mentioned in the bible.<<

Other then that one misinterpreted verse would you show the leadership of Peter from scripture?

When pressed for who Jesus thought was the leader of the apostles He rather scolded them for even thinking there was a leader among them.

Luke 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Jesus did NOT designate Peter as any type of leader.

175 posted on 01/15/2012 7:45:38 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

AMEN!


176 posted on 01/15/2012 7:47:17 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Salvation
>> We might say today he was to become a "pillar" or "cornerstone".<<

You might but scripture says differently.

1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

1 Pet. 2:8, speaking of Jesus says that he is "A stone of stumbling and a rock (petra) of offense"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed."

1 Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

177 posted on 01/15/2012 7:51:50 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: johngrace; smvoice; HossB86; RnMomof7; metmom; boatbums; caww; Iscool; presently no screen name
>>The successor of Peter was Linus,<<

Oh really? Paul didn’t know that when writing to the Romans?

Let’s look at some of the “proof” the CC uses to establish Peter’s place in Rome taken from http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm.

“must have been known” Must have?

“written almost undoubtedly from Rome” They rest their most important structure of the RCC on “almost undoubtedly”?

“The meaning of this remark must be that the two Apostles laboured personally in Rome”. Another conjecture with no scirptural proof or specific proof from other writings. They only “infer” that Peter was there.

Then 100 years late the myth is starting to entrench itself. Irenaeous makes the statement: “founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul” still with no proof from any writings of the Apostles themselves or proof that Peter was actually ever in Rome let alone head of the church there.

The entire leadership position of Peter is built on an erroneous interpretation of just one verse from scripture then built on supposition and speculation.

178 posted on 01/15/2012 8:27:26 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: johngrace

See post 178


179 posted on 01/15/2012 8:37:14 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cvengr; bibletruth; smvoice

of course the Church began before Paul.

this thread is just more heresy and false teaching that Jesus said would mark the time right before His second coming.

this teaching is no different than Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, etc, etc.


180 posted on 01/15/2012 9:11:18 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: kelly4c


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and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

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The Church or the Bible

181 posted on 01/15/2012 9:16:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Cvengr; bibletruth

Yes, the Church began before Paul. The MESSIANIC Church, the Kingdom Church, made up of the little flock and those Jewish believers on the day of Pentecost. However, the Church the Body of Christ did NOT begin before Paul. He was given that commission. And he was not saved before Acts 9.


182 posted on 01/15/2012 9:20:26 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: Running On Empty

Sheen is attempting interpretation, not translation, of a Hebrew idiomatic saying into English and thereby misses both.


183 posted on 01/15/2012 9:30:06 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

So say you.


184 posted on 01/15/2012 9:32:52 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: RegulatorCountry

In your Bible in the Book of Acts, who was it that addressed the First Council, the Council of Jerusalem?

Peter of course, for he was the leader, the Pope, although that exact word is not used.

Don’t get hung up on little details when it’s right there in the Bible for you to read as Peter addresses the Council of Jerusalem.


185 posted on 01/15/2012 9:40:11 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Where did you read that the Catholic Church was a Protestant Church? LOL!

No logic, there, for Protestant is not in the Bible and didn’t appear in languages until after Luther.


186 posted on 01/15/2012 9:42:44 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Please read your Book of Revelation again, unless Martin Luther changed it too.

People will be divided into groups. Could there be a Lutheran group? A Catholic group? A New York group? A KJV group? A European group? An American group?

Then people will then be divided into only two groups, the sheep and the goats.


187 posted on 01/15/2012 9:46:05 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: presently no screen name; Religion Moderator

I have been baptized and confirmed.

Why do you change the subject to a personal attack on me, rather than answering my objections to why the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic does not hold up for Protestant churches which have gone astray?


188 posted on 01/15/2012 9:48:40 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Running On Empty
No, not so say me. If you do not understand what an idiom is, there are on-line dictionaries and as the foot notes on John 2:4 in the NAB point out, this phrase is a denial of common interest, giving 2 Kings 3:13 as an example.

A word for word rendering of the Greek to English would be, “What to me and to you, woman?”.

189 posted on 01/15/2012 9:52:45 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: boatbums; neverbluffer; bibletruth; smvoice

we agree “there is ONLY one church” and if it is the Church Jesus established, it must have existed UNIVERSALLY, at all times from 33ad to the present.

there are those that teach the Church was “apostate” and left the orthodox faith. ( Joseph Smith agrees with this and we have the Mormons because of this thinking )

let’s use one doctrine to see who is “apostate” and who isn’t.

the Bible is clear, baptism causes the following:

1. remission of sins
2. receiving the Holy Spirit
3. being placed “into Christ”

this is the biblical, orthodox Faith this UNIVERSAL CHURCH has taught since receiving the doctrine from the Apostles.

the Bishops at Nicea in 325ad, after tremendous persecution from Rome had ended, gathered to defend the divinity of Jesus and state they believed in “one baptism for the remission of sins.

this is what all of Christendom believed until the 16th century, when some began to teach baptism is done after salvation as an act of obedience.

now, EVERYONE SHOULD know the truth.

what say you BB, is baptism for the remission of sins or an act of obedience that has nothing to do with salvation?

let’s see who holds the orthodox Faith and who never had it.


190 posted on 01/15/2012 9:53:39 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Rashputin
"If you don't like that or don't believe that, fine, but don't claim that Christ would abandon His flock for fifteen hundred plus years"

Nobody claims that. During those times there were plenty of saved Christians but it was despite their heretical Church certainly not because of it.

191 posted on 01/15/2012 9:57:14 AM PST by circlecity
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To: smvoice; Cvengr; bibletruth

there is only One Jesus and He has only One Body.

that Body ( the Church ) is comprised of Jews and Gentiles who have been baptized into Christ.

there is no seperate “messianic” church or “kingdom” church.

ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE CHURCH.


192 posted on 01/15/2012 9:57:51 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Salvation
Just guessing, but perhaps you're conflating of a man-made institution and the real Church which is a spiritual entity is clouding your 'preceptions'?
193 posted on 01/15/2012 9:58:18 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; boatbums; CynicalBear; neverbluffer; bibletruth
This question is who is apostate because they do not follow God's Word of Truth.

"STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15.

This tells me that the apostate person is the workman who is NOT approved unto God, because he does not rightly divide the word of truth. And he WILL be ashamed. THAT'S apostacy.

194 posted on 01/15/2012 10:00:09 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice; bibletruth

“does not rightly divide the word of truth”

according to you?

are you infallible?

did anyone “rightly divide the word of truth” in the 4th century? if yes, who?


195 posted on 01/15/2012 10:15:41 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: johngrace; RegulatorCountry; neverbluffer

When pressed for who Jesus thought was the leader of the apostles He rather scolded them for even thinking there was a leader among them.

Luke 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Jesus did NOT designate Peter as any type of leader.


196 posted on 01/15/2012 10:24:52 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Notary Sojac

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Marking this thread for future reference the next time I get into an FR argument about how Unitarians, or JW’s, or LDS, aren’t Christian.
The comity here among the “true Christians” is very instructive to an atheist like myself.
***

I can certainly see your point.


197 posted on 01/15/2012 10:45:32 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Salvation

****Where did you read that the Catholic Church was a Protestant Church? LOL!***

It was in a newspaper article about 40 years ago written by an Eastern Orthodox priest who claimed to be the “True Church” in which the Catholics broke away from.

Of course, Catholics have a different view of THE GREAT SCHISM a thousand years ago.


198 posted on 01/15/2012 11:03:10 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( P!$$ on the Taliban)
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To: circlecity
Christ said "city on a hill", not "little bands of illiterates cowering in caves and alleys".

But go ahead, pick and chose what portions of Scripture you want to believe and what portions you want to pretend aren't there. Use whichever verses you like as you see fit for your own personal interpretation of Scripture and your own personal religion. In doing so you're worshiping Self and not God incarnate as Christ. But go ahead, continue to claim that Christ was either a liar or just plain too stupid to say that He really meant since that's what is required for you to espouse the "Invisible Church", "Sola Myselfa", "Faith in Myself Alone", rubbish.

Considering that intrinsic to such a claim is Christ allowing what you say is heresy to be accepted throughout the world as Christianity, the Gates of Hell prevailed against His Church in spite of His promise to the contrary. Yet another instance of calling Jesus Christ the incarnate Son of God Almighty, God from God, a liar. There's no way I could ever agree with the fantasy you described given the numerous times you have to call Christ a liar in order to accept it. Anyone who wants to, though, is free to call Jesus Christ a liar as often as they like in order to accept the " ... despite their heretical Church" fantasy.

199 posted on 01/15/2012 11:06:30 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin
"Christ said "city on a hill","

So did the Angel describing the seven heads of the Beast of Revelation.

200 posted on 01/15/2012 11:11:06 AM PST by circlecity
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