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Why Mitt Romney’s Mormonism Might Matter
The Catholic Review ^ | Jan. 16, 2011 | Matt Palmer

Posted on 01/16/2012 11:13:52 AM PST by MDJohnPaul

Most Christians across the world believe Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead. Mormons believe that Jesus did come again already… to America.

And that, to me, is what’s interesting about Romney as a candidate.

A Mormon’s account of North American history is fundamentally different from most Christians, but virtually every other faith and anyone else. In Mormon history, North America was the site of an appearance of Jesus Christ, which is no small thing. It differs from historians’ and archeologists’ own research.

Jesus came here to create his church and it was restored by, as Mormons see it, prophet Joseph Smith. America is an exceptional place because of this unique historical event, according to Mormons.

Of course, many people will point out that many Catholics in North America and beyond believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary has appeared in Mexico, Lourdes and Fatima. There are also several other unconfirmed sightings. That’s always worthy of discussion.

Romney isn’t running for Historian in Chief. He’s running to be President of the United States. The land’s history is taught to children in classrooms across the country. Does it matter that Romney, as a Mormon, believes in a history that includes the assertion that Jesus Christ lived here and continued his teachings? That, without question, is different from the mainstream. Does he need to disavow it? No. Should he explain why these historical events are true if he believes them. Possibly.

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1 posted on 01/16/2012 11:14:00 AM PST by MDJohnPaul
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To: MDJohnPaul

Well, I guess he would certainly believe in American Exceptionalism.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 11:16:46 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: MDJohnPaul

Mormonism is a cult. Willard is a cultist. Case closed.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 11:18:38 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: MDJohnPaul

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/saturday-night-card-game-how-nasty-will-the-general-election-race-card-get-this-nasty/


4 posted on 01/16/2012 11:22:42 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: CainConservative
Mormonism is a cult.

Maybe, but that choir! Simply marvelous.

5 posted on 01/16/2012 11:23:02 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: MDJohnPaul

A persons belief system is the core of their essence, it is who they are, everything they do/say is colored by that belief.
Romney is a temple mormon which means he has to swear to a certain set of beliefs. Some of which included that he will someday be a god of his own planet, that he maybe fulling the lds white horse prophecy, in baptizing for the dead, jesus is a created being, that god is a progressed being, that Mary had sex with god........just to name a few items.
These are at Romney’s core, it is who he is, add that to his liberalism, his mormonISM will be an issue.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 11:29:17 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: CainConservative

Moral certainty is such a comfort.

If Mitt Romney is as conscientious about his business dealings and sense of honor and respect to his fellow man (not just Mormons), as any of the members of LDS with whom I have had contact, then there is no basis for this belief.

If the LDS people are cultists, I say, here’s to more cults of similar dedication to the well-being of their neighbors.


7 posted on 01/16/2012 11:30:46 AM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: MDJohnPaul
ROMNEY RINO CHURCH

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8 posted on 01/16/2012 11:33:47 AM PST by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: MDJohnPaul
Soon after the turn of the century, several prestigious universities concluded a very large DNA sampling of native central and north american peoples in order to understand their origins.

Not one strand of Hebrew DNA was found among them, utterly disproving the book of Mormon.

The breakaway LDS sect of mormonism made a change to the introduction page of the Book of Mormon....It read originally:

“The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of the two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.

Changed in 2004 to:

"....the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.”

....And people wonder where Romney learned to lie so easily.

9 posted on 01/16/2012 11:34:14 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: CainConservative
Because you say so? Because you think you can muster up a majority vote of others in the Christian club? Let Jesus sort it out when he comes again.

If the people screaming "cult" voted anywhere near as conservatively as the Mormon rank and file, we wouldn't have a culturally Muslim president, who has more in common with A Qaida than Christianity.

10 posted on 01/16/2012 11:38:01 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: alloysteel; SENTINEL; SZonian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; svcw; MHGinTN; Elsie; Godzilla; ...

If the LDS people are cultists, I say, here’s to more cults of similar dedication to the well-being of their neighbors.

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It would be nice, if their motivation was to just be good neighbors. However their motivation is getting people to join the Mormon church.

Utah leads the nation in White Collar crime and often lie to outsiders and cheat them and each other. They aren’t as honest as they claim or appear.

Regrading Romney, worldview matters and I know far too much about Mormonism to ever trust one in office. I used to be one.


11 posted on 01/16/2012 11:38:50 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: MDJohnPaul

Might?!!!

By the time the MSM are done with him...come June...the “pedophile” polygamist Warren Jeffs of FLDS will look positively presidential next to him!!!


12 posted on 01/16/2012 11:39:48 AM PST by mo
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To: alloysteel

You don’t actually know anything about mormonISM do you? Your statements here are being viewed through the lens as of the SLC PR machine, and not reality.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 11:42:23 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Vigilanteman; CainConservative

Because their THEOLOGY says they are a non-Christian cult. Because their practices say they are a cult. Because every other Christian church does not recognize Mormons as Christians.

AFA voting conservatively, that is more PR from SLC. Mormons are not nearly as conservative on issues like Illigal immigration, abortion and gay rights as most people think.

And yes, I can source that.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 11:42:23 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Show evidence of mormons voting conservatively. People say that all the time, it simply is not true.


15 posted on 01/16/2012 11:44:56 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Very much so:
http://theamericancovenant.com/


16 posted on 01/16/2012 11:48:20 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: alloysteel
"If the LDS people are cultists, I say, here’s to more cults of similar dedication to the well-being of their neighbors.

Another saved mormon here. If you have an LDS neighbor looking after your "well being", you'd better keep a close eye on your wife and daughters ! You're being set up to be his "eternal servant" and your wife and daughters his "eternal polygamist brides" !

Ask him about eternity sometime, what happens if you don't convert, who will look after your wife and daughters ? Really, ask him ! They teach that he who tries and fails to convert gets the eternal spoils of failure.

17 posted on 01/16/2012 11:49:14 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: CainConservative

Note that the Senate is already under Mormon control.


18 posted on 01/16/2012 11:49:48 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: mc5cents
Maybe, but that choir! Simply marvelous.

I'll take the Mormon Tabernacle Choir over gangsta rap any day.

My concerns with mormonism stems from stories my grandpa in law used to tell about way back when he used to drive an oil/fuel delivery truck in southern Idaho. He said that once the mormons reached a majority in a small town they would basically take over everything. He would be told that his services were no longer required since he was a protestant - and the business would go to a mormon.

I certrainly could not verify his stories but he always came across as an honest, sober man. It's an expansionist organization.

Always remember that when those nice looking young mean in white shirts and ties show up at your door - the end game is that they want 10% of your income for life.
19 posted on 01/16/2012 11:50:28 AM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: Vigilanteman
Um, you mean the 94% Mormon vote Mitt Romney got for the 2008 nomination by Utahan Mormons? That's the type of voting block you revere? You really need a different schtick, vig.
20 posted on 01/16/2012 11:54:39 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: reaganaut

Please correct me if I’m wrong...I’d heard (from some missionaries years ago) that LDS believed that in the days after Jesus was crucified was when He appeared in America to preach to the inhabitants. Never did believe it. And it REALLY floored me when one of them said that they believe in a “mother god” or wife or something like that.

Whether or not mitt likes it his religion IS going to be brought up again and again and again....


21 posted on 01/16/2012 11:57:33 AM PST by azishot
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To: Vigilanteman
Most breakaway LDS sect mormons are conservatives because they grew up under cold war "prophets" David O McKay and Ezra Taft Benson. Glenn Beck's whole Cleon Skousen fixation, John Birch mentality, this was the mormonism of the 70's and 80's I know, I was one of them.

The current bunch of leaders allowed Senator Harry Reid to address the entire student body and faculty at BYU where he bashed Ezra Taft Benson and said that he "led the church down the wrong path." Such talk by any other member would have been met with viscious and instant excommunication.

Reid is seen here, after his BYU speech, hanging out with current breakaway LDS sect leaders, Thomas Monson and Dallin Oaks. this is a HUGE message to members. The breakaway LDS sect is taking a hard political left turn. Reid and Romney are the typical mormon of the next generation.


22 posted on 01/16/2012 11:59:23 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: azishot
That is true. They do teach that a resurrected Christ appeared in Central America and preached the sermon on the mount to the native peoples, who came here from Isreal on a boat.

Then they got in a big fight and completely exterminated one another.

23 posted on 01/16/2012 12:03:12 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: CainConservative

I don’t think it’s a cult but the LDS church will regret having Romney as a candidate. The Democrat-controlled media’s exposure of it will be very bad for the church.

Magic underwear? Secret rituals? The restrictions on the young missionaries? Excluding poor blacks from the Temple because they don’t give 10%?


24 posted on 01/16/2012 12:03:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: SENTINEL

“If you have an LDS neighbor looking after your “well being”, you’d better keep a close eye on your wife and daughters !”

My LDS neighbor is a woman (divorced from husband)


25 posted on 01/16/2012 12:05:10 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Well, I guess he would certainly believe in American Exceptionalism.

In an April Fool's Day article about Rush Limbaugh converting to Mormonism, Limbaugh touts that as one of Mormonism's virtues.

26 posted on 01/16/2012 12:08:57 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: MDJohnPaul

I think the video nails it on the head.

Mormon theology doesn’t really matter, but to an election team that finds racism EVERYWHERE whether it is there or not, the Mormon religion is pretty doggone easy to portray as racist.


27 posted on 01/16/2012 12:10:50 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: SENTINEL

Do you mean the turn of the 20th century or of the 19th?

As of 2012, researchers have done extensive DNA sequencing studies of both many populations of Jews and of American Indians, with the most advanced technology available. According to these studies, American Indians came from Asian ancestors, not from Israelites, despite the complicated genetics of the Jews.

Moreover, NO ONE with any knowledge of the Early Christian Church, starting with Christ and his Holy Apostles, and continuing on from there, would believe that the True Church of the Apostles was “lost”. It continues in the Holy Orthodox Church, which has maintained an unbroken connection with the Apostles and their successors, the Apostolic Fathers.

The ones who restored the True Church to the North American continent were the Russian missionaries who first came to Alaska, followed by the Orthodox faithful who immigrated here from Eastern Europe. St. Herman of Alaska is the Patron Saint of North America.

If anyone cannot believe the science or the history, he or she can pray to St. Herman to intercede with God to reveal the truth to them. We need no Mormon/LDS “church”, which has been falsified many times over!!!!


28 posted on 01/16/2012 12:13:28 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: MDJohnPaul

Also as other FREEPERS have pointed out the DNC and 0 have kept their powder dry on this issue (mormom church is racist).

It is obvious they are pulling for Mitt.

Could this issue be the “October Surprise”?


29 posted on 01/16/2012 12:14:20 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: azishot

Please correct me if I’m wrong...I’d heard (from some missionaries years ago) that LDS believed that in the days after Jesus was crucified was when He appeared in America to preach to the inhabitants. Never did believe it. And it REALLY floored me when one of them said that they believe in a “mother god” or wife or something like that.

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You are correct in that. The LDS believe (and the book of Mormon teaches) that during the 3 days between Christ’s death and resurrection He appeared here in the Americas. Interestingly, the same part of the Book of Mormon says that after Christ’s crucifixion millions of people here in the Americas were killed because they were ‘unrighteous’ and so he ‘smote’ them. Yep, Christ is a mass murder according to the Book of Mormon. It really makes no sense since a) Christ died to SAVE us (again Mormons don’t really believe that and twist definitions) and b) what did people in the Americas do that the people in Isreal didn’t. Why was one group spared and not the other? If you ask a Mormon that, you will get interesting responses.

They do believe that Heavenly Father is married (and a polygamist) and that we have at least ONE Heavenly Mother. One of their hymns “Oh My Father” has this line...

In the heav’ns are parents single?
No, the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason; truth eternal
Tells me I’ve a mother there.

http://www.onlymormon.com/Hymns/292/

And yeah, Mormonism will be the nail that the libs will use to hang Mitt.


30 posted on 01/16/2012 12:15:41 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: AppyPappy

Anyone who extolls the virtues of mormons and how great it would be to have more like them needs to spend some time in a majority mormon town/city/county. Like muslims, they act very differently once they are in the drivers seat.

RE mormons and disproportionate white collar crime: Ever been approached to buy/sell protandim or any other mormon ponzi scam? If you haven’t then you really cannot say they are basically trustworthy virtuous people. The stuff is garbage and they smile and look you in the eye and do everything they can to get you locked in for years buying/distributing their snake oil, making them more money than you, if you are foolish enough to fall for it.

I am struck by the similar nature of all their current financial scams to their founders treasure digging and looking into hats and snake oil flim flam. You would think in all this time they would move away from such humiliating practices which destroy all credibility.


31 posted on 01/16/2012 12:26:41 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: MDJohnPaul

In normal times maybe but mr obama being a muslim didnt hurt him


32 posted on 01/16/2012 12:46:56 PM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: alloysteel
The broad brush you paint with is missing a whole bunch of bristles.

If Mitt Romney is as conscientious about his business dealings and sense of honor and respect to his fellow man (not just Mormons), as any of the members of LDS with whom I have had contact, then there is no basis for this belief.

He's not, but your rose-colored glasses need a new prescription on the honor of mormons in general. SOME are honest, some are not.

If the LDS people are cultists, I say, here’s to more cults of similar dedication to the well-being of their neighbors.

How about some personal examples of your mormon neighbors being dedicated to the well-being of their neighbors? I have lived in mormon communities for years, and the dedication of mormons that I have seen is to the mormon church first and to their fellow mormons second. .

33 posted on 01/16/2012 12:50:10 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (When GOP wants to guarantee a loss, they pick from MA: Dukakis, Kerry and now Romney.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

“Anyone who extolls the virtues of mormons and how great it would be to have more like them needs to spend some time in a majority mormon town/city/county. Like muslims, they act very differently once they are in the drivers seat.”

Money quote! And the smiling young mishies are after one thing & one thing only: ten percent of your income for the rest of your life!

BTW, I’m Catholic (”the geat and abominable church” according to LDS) and we are encouraged to tithe. That’s all, just encouraged. No pressure, no shunning, no finger-waving, no slamming of the doors of paradise, no denying permission to visit St. Peter’s in Rome, no loss of friends. Nothing.

In fact, the saying is not “Give ‘till it hurts”. It’s more like “Give ‘till it feels good!”


34 posted on 01/16/2012 1:04:56 PM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: elcid1970

No pressure, no shunning, no finger-waving, no slamming of the doors of paradise, no denying permission to visit St. Peter’s in Rome, no loss of friends. Nothing.

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And no meetings with the priest to go over your donations and make sure you paid your full amount. No asking to see tax records, etc.

Mormonism cured me of ever writing a check for a donation to a church. Now I just give cash and do so anonymously.


35 posted on 01/16/2012 1:22:36 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: MDJohnPaul
MDJohnPaul said, " In Mormon history, North America was the site of an appearance of Jesus Christ"

There is actually no consensus among Mormons as to where the primary events of the Book of Mormon took place. The LDS Church has no official position either, other than it was on the American continent. Plenty of books and theories have been written, some arguing that it was in South America, some in Mesoamerica, some in North America, and some in the entire north and south American continents.

MDJohnPaul said, "It differs from historians’ and archeologists’ own research."

What archaeological evidence is there that Jesus even existed in the old world? None. There is some historical evidence in the form of the Christian authored New Testament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
36 posted on 01/16/2012 1:23:32 PM PST by DeerJerkyDave
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To: elcid1970
And the smiling young mishies are after one thing & one thing only: ten percent of your income for the rest of your life!

What is not being said here is that these smiling young mishies (all 52,000) of them are preaching hate when they tell Christians that their faith is false and the only way to salvation is through the mormon church..and you can only get to the "salvation" rung on the "saved" ladder by paying the required 10% of your income and taking part in arcane temple rituals.

The mishies also fail to report that according to mormonism, Jesus had to work his way up to Godhood.

"God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" (Journal of Discourses 1:123). Consistency would demand that if the Mormon God was "mortal like we are," he must have had the attributes that we as humans have. This would have to include a sinful nature."

Link

37 posted on 01/16/2012 1:37:48 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (When GOP wants to guarantee a loss, they pick from MA: Dukakis, Kerry and now Romney.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“The broad brush you paint with is missing a whole bunch of bristles.”

Well, the bristles you show don’t carry much paint, either.

All I’m saying is, of all the experience I have had dealing with LDS members on a personal basis, I have found them to be of a positive nature as good as, or better than, most of the non-Mormons I have had contact with. And I worked among, around and with members of the LDS in eastern Utah (Uintah and Duchesne counties), much of which is part of the Ouray and Uintah Indian Reservation, and the Utes that were the oboriginals. The tribal people were divided between the LDS members and the non-Mormon, while almost all of the whites were Mormon. From all appearances, the non-Mormon Utes were not being treated any more unfairly by the white LDS members, than the treatment the LDS Utes were subject to. The Utes had a grudging admiration of the LDS as a whole, and sometimes spoke of them in a kidding manner (”Those Mormons can pray water into flowing uphill”), but there was no great underlying tension by either side.


38 posted on 01/16/2012 1:56:09 PM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: DJlaysitup
Had your grandfather been a Mormon who decided to leave the church, he would have found himself without a job (assuming that he worked at one of the many Mormon member-owned businesses), a wife, a family and definitely without friends (most Mormons primarily associate with other Mormons from their Ward, their neighborhood and/or job.)

All of that ends when they leave the church and other Mormons are told to disassociate themselves with those who do.

FRs don't have to believe what I say but I know far too many former Mormons who have basically found their entire social network gone after stepping away from their church. It is one of the things that keeps many Mormons who might think about leaving, they know that the life and family that they now have will be gone.

39 posted on 01/16/2012 2:05:04 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: svcw
Show evidence of mormons voting conservatively. People say that all the time, it simply is not true.

So, tell me about the 1992 presidental election results in Utah? Of course, many will say that Bush sr wasn't conservative (and I would agree with them), but Clinton getting third would suggest something, wouldn't it?

40 posted on 01/16/2012 2:39:33 PM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: SENTINEL
They teach that he who tries and fails to convert gets the eternal spoils of failure.

Reference, please.

41 posted on 01/16/2012 2:42:47 PM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole

The question is you show me the evidence, not me showing you.


42 posted on 01/16/2012 2:48:31 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: CainConservative
Find out about a cult
43 posted on 01/16/2012 2:48:31 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: svcw
Utah Results, 1992 presidential election.
Bill Clinton 183,429 votes, 24.65%
George H.W. Bush 322,632 votes, 43.36%
Ross Perot 203,400 votes, 27.34%

44 posted on 01/16/2012 2:52:28 PM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: CainConservative

Besides that I have two other reasons:

Romney broke the State Of Massachusetts with RomneyCare.

RomneyCare pays for abortions — got that? Pays to have babies killed.

Romney is no better than Obama.


45 posted on 01/16/2012 2:53:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: T. P. Pole
"So, tell me about the 1992 presidental election results in Utah? Of course, many will say that Bush sr wasn't conservative (and I would agree with them), but Clinton getting third would suggest something, wouldn't it?"

You're right pole, in 92 Mormons WERE overwhelmingly conservative. 20 years later we have Reid telling BYU that E.T. Benson "led the church down the wrong path" WITH SALT LAKE'S BLESSING !....Heck at this rate Salt Lake will be giving women the priesthood and telling folks to disarm within a decade !

46 posted on 01/16/2012 2:55:02 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: alloysteel

If Romney were truly moral he would have never had RomenyCare pay for abortions.

I hope you are being facetious in your remarks. I’m not. Babies died because of Romney.


47 posted on 01/16/2012 2:55:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mc5cents

I agree whole heartedly!

HELLish theology: Heavenly music!


48 posted on 01/16/2012 2:58:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T. P. Pole

Ok? And who won the election.
What is your point here, that one of 50 states voted for GHW Bush?
Wasn’t Reid elected then?
Name any federally elected mormon who is conservative, even at the state level they are hard to find.
The point being is moromns do not vote as conservatively as the PR machine portends that they do, otherwise Romney would not garner 94% of the lds vote, or people like the mormon senators would be elected. These men are propelled by the lds vote and none are conservative.


49 posted on 01/16/2012 2:59:35 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: reaganaut
Because their THEOLOGY says they are a non-Christian cult.

So do their WORDS!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

50 posted on 01/16/2012 3:00:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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