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REVISED LIST OF CONGREGATIONS VOTING TO LEAVE THE ELCA SINCE AUGUST 2009
DavidBarnhart.com ^ | 1/7/12 | David Barnhart

Posted on 01/16/2012 1:28:23 PM PST by rhema

We recently made extensive revisions to this list. As of January 1, 2012 we show 616 congregations that have successfully taken the required two votes to leave the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Another 31 congregations have successfully taken one sucessful vote to date. The total members lost to the ELCA from these congregations stands at 313,799.

PLEASE INFORM US OF ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS THAT SHOULD BE MADE TO THIS LIST.

ALASKA 1**
** St. Paul Lutheran Church, Kodiak NALC

ARIZONA 10**

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TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: elca; lutheran

1 posted on 01/16/2012 1:28:31 PM PST by rhema
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To: lightman; SmithL; Honorary Serb; hinckley buzzard
The official church emigrations (not counting the myriad individuals, families, and sizable church populations that have left without voting or without achieving the required 67 percent):

As of January 1, 2012 we show 616 congregations that have successfully taken the required two votes to leave the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Another 31 congregations have successfully taken one sucessful vote to date. The total members lost to the ELCA from these congregations stands at 313,799.

2 posted on 01/16/2012 1:33:55 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

My parents’ ELCA parish could join them in the next year or so.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 1:37:16 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rhema

I can’t get the web site to load. It pops up and then goes to white screen. Can someone post the Florida congregations, please?


4 posted on 01/16/2012 1:38:40 PM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Bryanw92

Never mind. I got it working.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 1:42:29 PM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Christ is in our midst!

6 posted on 01/16/2012 1:49:56 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: rhema

VERY good news...

Question ... are they going to change Synods and if so, which one seems to be their most “popular”?


7 posted on 01/16/2012 2:01:55 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I'm endorsing O'bama AND Romney as all my guys & gals don't make it very far. Go Barry! Go Mitt!)
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To: rhema; Bryanw92
The web site doesn't load for me, either.

I also would like to see the list for Florida.

Leni

8 posted on 01/16/2012 2:21:14 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

FLORIDA 13**
** Advent Lutheran Church, Boca Raton
** Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran, Dade City LCMC
** St. Peter Lutheran Church, Fort Pierce LCMC
** Shepherd of Woods Church, Jacksonville LCMC
** Faith Lutheran Church, Lakeland LCMC
** Living Word Lutheran Church, Lantana LCMC
** Hope Lutheran Church, Miami LCMC
** Principe de Paz Lutheran Church, Miami LCMC
** Peace Lutheran Church, Palm Bay LCMC
** St. John Lutheran Church, Palatka LCMC
** Peace Lutheran Church, Port Charlotte
** Trinity Lutheran Church, Titusville LCMC
** First Lutheran Church , West Palm Beach NALC
Note: Although St. Peter Lutheran of Fort Pierce voted unanimously to withdraw, the ELCA will not allow them to leave with their property.


9 posted on 01/16/2012 3:07:12 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I'm endorsing O'bama AND Romney as all my guys & gals don't make it very far. Go Barry! Go Mitt!)
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To: Brad's Gramma; mickie
Thanks, Gram...phooey, the ELCA church in my little town on the central Gulf coast wasn't on the list.....and it's a convenient couple blocks away.

Leni

10 posted on 01/16/2012 4:14:17 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

Drats.

I’m sorry to hear that...


11 posted on 01/16/2012 4:17:24 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I'm endorsing O'bama AND Romney as all my guys & gals don't make it very far. Go Barry! Go Mitt!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

About 2/3 of the departing congregations have affiliated with Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (LCMC); a few have made dual affiliation with LCMC and the North American Lutheran Churcb (NALC). About 1/3 have affiliated with the NALC.

It is very significant to note that these departures have decreased the number of ELCA congregations to slightly UNDER 10,000—about 9,961 if I recall correctly. A psychological threshold has been crossed indicating that the “glory years” have passed.


12 posted on 01/16/2012 5:49:32 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: lightman

Thanks! Are those two synods conservative?


13 posted on 01/16/2012 5:53:07 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I'm endorsing O'bama AND Romney as all my guys & gals don't make it very far. Go Barry! Go Mitt!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Why do they need to form new Lutheran denominations considering that the LCMS, WELS, and host of smaller Lutheran denominations already exist?


14 posted on 01/16/2012 7:07:38 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

Personally... I totally agree with you...


15 posted on 01/16/2012 7:20:47 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I'm endorsing O'bama AND Romney as all my guys & gals don't make it very far. Go Barry! Go Mitt!)
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To: Brad's Gramma; rzman21

Both are more conservative than the ELCA but more liberal than the WELS and LC-MS in that both Ordain women.

The spectrum, from most conservative to most liberal is roughly:

WELS - LC-MS - NALC - LCMC - ELCA.

Perhaps NALC and LCMC should be listed one above the other. I listed NALC as more conservative in that it affirms the office of Bishop (mainly as a teaching theologian, not an administrator/CEO) while the LCMC is very decentralized and congregationalist in polity.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 8:06:02 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: lightman

So would it be fair to say that the NALC and LCMC are more Pietistic than the LCMS and WELS?


17 posted on 01/16/2012 8:22:03 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21; Charles Henrickson
So would it be fair to say that the NALC and LCMC are more Pietistic than the LCMS and WELS?

That depends...LCMS is hardly monolithic these days, with its "Ablaze" movement and emphasis on "seeker worship" containing a very broad pietistic streak.

If you consider the dominant mark of Pietism to be a passion for souls, then NALC is definitely pietistic, especially through the influence of the Ethiopian Mekana Jesu church.

If you consider the dominant mark of Pietism to be anti-clericalism.

I've pinged this to an LCMS Pastor in hopes that he will weigh in.

18 posted on 01/17/2012 1:14:21 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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19 posted on 01/17/2012 2:04:49 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: lightman

That depends...LCMS is hardly monolithic these days, with its “Ablaze” movement and emphasis on “seeker worship” containing a very broad pietistic streak.

If you consider the dominant mark of Pietism to be a passion for souls, then NALC is definitely pietistic, especially through the influence of the Ethiopian Mekana Jesu church.

If you consider the dominant mark of Pietism to be anti-clericalism.

I’ve pinged this to an LCMS Pastor in hopes that he will weigh in.

>>My understanding has been that the Pietists pretty much junked the Lutheran confessions and began the process of blurring the lines with the Calvinists.

I’ve understood Pietism to emphasize feelings over doctrine. The Lutheranism I was taught as a kid was hardly Confessional Lutheranism.

I didn’t really know what Confessional Lutheran was until I got to college and started reading when I got sandwiched between Catholicism on one side and Evangelicalism on the other.

I was content to be an “Evangelical Catholic” until I idealistically wrote Bishop Chilstrom at ELCA headquarters, and he wrote me back with a very negative letter regarding the differences between the ELCA and the Catholic Church.


20 posted on 01/17/2012 2:30:05 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
Evangelical catholic, eh? This might be right up your alley:

Strange as a reform movement within a reform movement may sound, there is a pan-Lutheran (Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) oratory of biblically conservative, liturgically steeped clergy that has gathered for mutual support and to resist the tide of modernity.

I encourage you to check out the website of the Society of the Holy Trinity http://www.societyholytrinity.org Read the page on "The Rule" http://www.societyholytrinity.org/rule.htm, paying particular attention to the section entitled "Parish Practices".Members of the Society are deeply committed to the weekly Eucharist, Private Confession and Absolution, and the public recitation of the Daily Office

Then look at the membership directory http://www.societyholytrinity.org/stswebdirectory.htm to see if there are any STS members serving a congregation within a reasonable driving distance. Although not every parish is practicing every aspect of the Rule at this time, most subscriber clergy are committed to working toward those goals and have a deliberate plan to achieve them incrementally. These clergy would be delighted to receive visitors and/or new members who share those commitments.

21 posted on 01/17/2012 3:22:06 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: lightman

I went to Valpo my freshman year, and the professor said Luther never wanted to break with Rome.

I’ve often wondered how things would have turned out if had Luther had recourse to the Eastern Orthodox. Would he have become Orthodox instead of founding his own group after his excommunication?


22 posted on 01/17/2012 3:58:44 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
I’ve often wondered how things would have turned out if had Luther had recourse to the Eastern Orthodox. Would he have become Orthodox instead of founding his own group after his excommunication?

A very good question, indeed.

The Lutheran Confessions contain very little to indict Orthodoxy; the invocation of the Saints and the Mass as sacrifice do have some relevance.

It is worthy of note that the Confessions do explicitly--and affirmingly--refer to Mary as the Theotokos.

23 posted on 01/17/2012 6:05:46 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: lightman

I think the Lutheran Confessions were a reaction against the presumptions of the Thomists more than anything else.

The former president of the LCMS said he rejected consubstantiation and said that Jesus was present because he said he would be, and any attempt to describe it was worthless and futile.

That sounds awfully Eastern to me. The Eastern Churches in union with Rome aren’t required to accept the whole bit about substance and accidents, etc.

And the Lutheran Confessions are not unlike Orthodoxy when it comes to prayers for the dead.

From the Apology of the Augsburg Confession:

The adversaries also falsely cite against us the condemnation of Aerius, who, they say, was condemned for the reason that he denied that in the Mass an offering is made for the living and the dead. They frequently use this dexterous turn, cite the ancient heresies, and falsely compare our cause with these in order by this comparison to crush us. [The asses are not ashamed of any lies. Nor do they know who Aerius was and what he taught.] Epiphanius testifies that Aerius held that prayers for the dead are useless. With this he finds fault. Neither do we favor Aerius...

http://bookofconcord.org/defense_23_mass.php

Another thing I’ve sometimes wondered is how American Christianity might be different had Lutherans been the predominate sect rather than the Calvinists.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 6:48:24 PM PST by rzman21
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