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Court-ordered abortion, sterilization of Catholic woman in Mass. overturned by higher court
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-ordered-abortion-sterilization-of-catholic-woman-in-mass.-overturned ^ | 1/18/2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 01/18/2012 4:32:03 PM PST by Morgana

BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, January 18, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – On Tuesday, the Massachusetts Appeals Court threw out a lower court’s ruling that would have forced a mentally ill woman to undergo an abortion and be forcibly sterilized against her will.

Norfolk Family and Probate Court Judge Christina Harms had ruled on January 6 that the 32-year-old could be “coaxed, bribed, or even enticed…by ruse” until she was sedated for the procedures.

The woman, who is identified only by the pseudonym “Mary Moe,” is approximately five months pregnant.

Moe, who suffers from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, had a previous abortion in her history. She reportedly described herself as “very Catholic,” and told the court she “wouldn’t do that (abortion)” again. However, despite the testimony of a court-appointed specialist determined Moe would not choose abortion, and the fact that Moe herself reportedly became “agitated and emotional’’ when Judge Harms mentioned her previous abortion, the judge ruled that the specialist’s findings were inconclusive.

Instead, Harms ruled that Moe was not mentally competent to decide whether to have the baby, and said that if she were mentally competent, she would choose to have an abortion so she could resume taking medication to treat her illness. She added that Moe’s opposition to abortion stemmed from her “substantial delusional beliefs.” Although no one had sought sterilization, Harms also ordered Moe sterilized “to avoid this painful situation from recurring in the future.” The request that Moe abort originated with the state Department of Mental Health.

Appellate Court Associate Justice Andrew R. Grainger overruled the decision, noting Harms’ orders contradicted a 1982 state Supreme Court ruling allowing all the right to procreate. He added that Harms “simply produced the [sterilization] requirement out of thin air.” Another judge in a lower court will make a final ruling.

Pro-life advocates expressed thanks at the Appeals Court’s decision and dismay at the original ruling.

Terry Donilon, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Boston, told LifeSiteNews.com the original ruling was “outrageous.”

“It’s barbaric to force anyone to undergo a sterilization or abortion,” constitutional expert John W. Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute told LifeSiteNews.com. “To force someone to go against their clearly expressed religious beliefs” is a clear violation of the First Amendment, he added.

“It’s not up to the state to determine who has a child and who doesn’t,” he said. “If permitted, it’s totalitarian.”

“The nation should take note at how close we are coming to the forced abortion policy of communist China,” Troy Newman of Operation Rescue wrote in a statement e-mailed to LifeSiteNews.com. “Can we now dispense with the ‘pro-choice’ label?”

“The abortion cartel has never wanted choice. They exist on an insatiable diet of more and more abortion.”

Others were surprised such measures were still being performed in the name of public health. “I didn’t realize that forced sterilizations were going on anywhere,” said Howard Trachtman of the National Alliance on Mental Illness Massachusetts. Daniel Pollack of Yeshiva University, said, “My guess is it happens a lot more than we know.”

The case demonstrates “the lingering shadow of eugenics, which has never left the ‘progressive’ agenda, despite its ugly history,” Father Shenan J. Boquet, president of Human Life International, http://hli.org told LifeSiteNews.com.

Although Harms prescribed a compulsory abortion to help stop Moe’s mental illness, abortion may have triggered her psychological issues in the first place. Court records show Moe had a “psychotic break” after her abortion and has been hospitalized numerous times for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

In 2003, researchers at the Elliott Institute found women with a history of previous abortion were nearly three-times as likely to have bipolar disorder, and a 2002 study by the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry observed that post-abortive women were being hospitalized for mental illnesses including schizophrenia.

In 2011, Dr. Priscilla Coleman of Bowling Green State University found nearly 10 percent of all mental illness in post-abortive women was “attributable to abortion.”

Brian Camenker, director of MassResistance, told LifeSiteNews.com, “this shows is just how dangerous these lower courts are.” Harms, who was appointed by Governor Michael Dukakis in 1989, retired on January 11. Camenker, who has long observed judicial trends in his home state, ranked Dukakis “probably the second worst [governor] in memory” for judicial appointments.

Fr. Boquet said he is happy the appeals court rejected “the extreme nature of the initial judge’s decision.”

“This young mother certainly needs help, not more violence in her life,” he wrote. “We pray that she is able to get the help she needs.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; prolife; sourcetitlenoturl; sterilization
I thought forced sterilization was outlawed. Plus they force her to have an abortion because she is mentally ill? Have a feeling she is mental because of her first abortion.
1 posted on 01/18/2012 4:32:12 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

There’s so much wrong here that I don’t know where to start. I think instead, I’ll just go pray for all involved. There’s some serious demonic infestation influencing these folks.


2 posted on 01/18/2012 4:35:44 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Morgana
What the...? Oliver Wendell Holmes is alive and well ( and appropriately renamed "Harms"). :-(
3 posted on 01/18/2012 4:42:28 PM PST by Tabi Katz
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To: Morgana
What the...? Oliver Wendell Holmes is alive and well ( and appropriately renamed "Harms"). :-(
4 posted on 01/18/2012 4:42:54 PM PST by Tabi Katz
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To: Morgana
It's quite frightening to think that a judge has the right to have people sterilized against their will. The courts don't even sterilize serial rapists.

I have a family member living in MA who is bipolar. When she is on her meds, she is very normal. What gives a judge the right to make a judgement on an individual's reproductive freedom.

These Liberal's are downright scary. (I'm just assuming he/she's a Liberal. That's the only thing that makes sense since most Lib's believe they have all the answers.)

5 posted on 01/18/2012 4:43:52 PM PST by mia
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To: Morgana

MA
queers can get married
have access to kids
take kids into their homes and raise them
teach turd poking is normal in schools to little 5 year olds
force women to never have a baby ,until the court of appeals made sense>
make the woman kill her baby.
defend killing babies but give small sentences to homosexual child molesters
not mother and father on a B/C or marriage certificate
OH and you can’t buy fireworks in the state as it is illegal and you cannot purchase beer or wine at a gas station like so many north east states

you bet that MA is one messed up state.


6 posted on 01/18/2012 4:44:05 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: mia

George Bernard Shaw would be so proud as would Hitlers Hench men and the communists.


7 posted on 01/18/2012 4:46:36 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: mia

here is the nut Bernard shaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBZsTf6oLfY

Maybe they will be having to justify your existence soon like the left have always wanted.

The left shout bigots etc because many of them deep down are so full of hate, bigotry and sick ideas they they think if they call others it will deflect attention from whom they really


8 posted on 01/18/2012 4:49:02 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: manc

You are so very right about Shaw and Hitler. Sometimes I think we have progressed so far as humans and then I realize that many who believe they have superior intellect have not progressed at all. They still think they “know it all.” I’m sure most of us have run into a number of people who, “know it all.”


9 posted on 01/18/2012 4:50:54 PM PST by mia
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To: surroundedbyblue

What could ANYONE say to this? I had to keep checking to see DID THIS REALLY HAPPEN IN AMERICA? Maybe the judge agree with Obama. She shouldn’t “be punished with a child”.


10 posted on 01/18/2012 4:53:05 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

What could ANYONE say to this? I had to keep checking to see DID THIS REALLY HAPPEN IN AMERICA? Maybe the judge agree with Obama. She shouldn’t “be punished with a child”.


11 posted on 01/18/2012 4:53:20 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Morgana

Good Lord! Is this China???!!! Now THIS is really scary!


12 posted on 01/18/2012 4:56:31 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Sure did. This attitude has been around a long time. This is what we are up against.


13 posted on 01/18/2012 4:56:56 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: mia

I’ve met quite a few of them who think they’re so smart but when I question them they then look dumbfounded as it seems the loons on the left like to surround themselves with like minded others and tell each other how smart they are.

ALL of them shout compassion etc and yet they don’t follow what they shout.


14 posted on 01/18/2012 5:04:06 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: BenKenobi

They are doing all of this because they have infiltrated the MSM.
They know now that the MSM covers for them and the majority of people have no clue as to what is really happening and how much hate the left has.


15 posted on 01/18/2012 5:06:02 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Morgana

If Planned non-Parenthood and their ilk had their way, this is what they would be doing to us. Because, of course, conservatives are “delusional”.


16 posted on 01/18/2012 5:07:48 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Morgana

Killing babies and sterilizing women in Massachusetts?

Why does this not surprise me from the F’in state that created....

Mittens “Peacetime” Romney


17 posted on 01/18/2012 5:11:29 PM PST by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Article on the Boston Herald web site.

Her parents were partitioning a court to be her guardian so they could ok the surgery.

Special, eh?


18 posted on 01/18/2012 5:12:41 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Donnafrflorida

“....DID THIS REALLY HAPPEN IN AMERICA?”

.
You ain’t seen nothing yet.

In a nation that elected someone like Hussein and could possibly re-elect him, anything against its constitutional principles can be expected.


19 posted on 01/18/2012 5:23:17 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Saundra Duffy

Look up Buck v. Bell - In 1927 the high court ordered a forced sterilization. This is what happens when the wicked rule and court is not bound by the text of the Constitution.


20 posted on 01/18/2012 5:27:52 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Morgana

WOW is this part of Romneycare?
Does this judge KNOW that this has been ruled unconstitutional.

1927
In Buck v. Bell, the U.S. Supreme Court rules (8-1) that laws mandating the sterilization of the mentally handicapped do not violate the Constitution. Writing for the majority, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes makes an explicitly eugenic argument:
“It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.”

1936

Nazi propaganda defends Germany’s forced sterilization program by citing the United States as an ally in the eugenic movement, and its laws as proof of its status as same. World War II, and the atrocities committed by the Nazi government, would rapidly change U.S. attitudes towards eugenics


21 posted on 01/18/2012 6:09:24 PM PST by marty60
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To: Morgana
What is just as sad to me is that MM is getting boinked enough to get herself knocked.

Who are the morons boinking a woman who is so disturbed: schizophrenia and bipolar disorder?
Isn't anyone taking care of Ms. S&B?

22 posted on 01/18/2012 7:12:25 PM PST by cloudmountain
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The woman needs help, not to have her baby killed and forced to undergo sterilization. Are there any Catholic organizations that could help her, I wonder.

23 posted on 01/18/2012 7:17:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: cloudmountain

“Who are the morons boinking a woman who is so disturbed: schizophrenia and bipolar disorder?”

Show me a crazy woman, and I’ll show you a man crazy enough to go to bed with her. Hell, if men refused to sleep with women they thought were nutty, or vice versa, our birthrates would bottom out. The fact that we crave companionship and sex enough to put up with each other is what makes the world go round.


24 posted on 01/18/2012 7:32:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Morgana
Fascists cannot help but act like fascists, and the US democrat party is now and always has been the fascist party the US. They not only adopted Eugenics theory when their own "progressive" crowd refined Darwin into an excuse to murder all the black folks and "lesser breeds" they could no long legally hold as slaves or indentured servants, they adopted the German Fascist Nazi party economics approaches and are under Fuhrer Barry implementing them.

The democrat fascist party and the it's academic arm that provides recruits and rewards the party faithful must be so completely destroyed as a factor in national politics that, to paraphrase Bull Halsey, "democrat is only spoken in Hell".

JMHO

25 posted on 01/18/2012 7:34:42 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: manc
"I’ve met quite a few of them who think they’re so smart but when I question them they then look dumbfounded as it seems the loons on the left like to surround themselves with like minded others and tell each other how smart they are."

That is what I call "group think." Very few have an independent thought. The Libs I know, see the same movies, read the same books, watch the same news programs, and then discuss those same movies, books, and news programs, etc. and wonder why you're not interested in their conversation. Boring. . .

26 posted on 01/18/2012 7:40:26 PM PST by mia
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To: cloudmountain

Generalize much?? Why do you hate people who suffer from mental illness??/

Do you hate people who have cancer or any other non-mental disease??

It’s prejudiced attitudes like yours that make it so hard for the mentally ill.


28 posted on 01/18/2012 8:10:04 PM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: Morgana

China is the new ideal for the limo liberal “smart people.”

She should be compensated for the suffering caused to her as the State threatened and attempted to harm her and kill her baby.

The judge should be sent to China where she can chase mothers down in the streets for the communist party.


30 posted on 01/18/2012 8:33:37 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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31 posted on 01/18/2012 8:36:01 PM PST by narses
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To: Morgana

For later.


32 posted on 01/18/2012 9:30:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain
Instead, Harms ruled that Moe was not mentally competent to decide whether to have the baby, and said that if she were mentally competent, she would choose to have an abortion so she could resume taking medication to treat her illness

It looks like she had been getting treatment so she may have been relatively normal while on meds.

33 posted on 01/18/2012 9:48:31 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Morgana

“thought forced sterilization was outlawed.”

Yes, I think we all thought that. and this woman is 32, I’d like to know who brought this action in the first place.


34 posted on 01/19/2012 5:51:28 AM PST by jocon307
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To: mia
that post you made is one of the most truest posts I have ever read on here. The fringe left all surround themselves with like minded people, go to the same places, have the same hobbies, etc and when say one of those north east liberals comes south or they come out of their circle for a couple of weeks they are stunned and appalled to find that people have different views. They then go back to their circle and guess what? Yep they tell each other how people who are not in their circle are out of touch , how they're right and others are wrong. Give you an example We had a MA woman move near us down here in north east FL. She complained all the time about no organic food, no veggie restaurants near here , how we all support marriage as between one man and one woman How so many went to church, how most of us have guns ,hardly any unions here, we go fishing , many go hunting, some have horses in their yards along with hunting dogs etc etc etc She did nothing but complain about life down here and kept telling everyone how it is up in MA and how we're living and thinking is wrong. LOL She moved in less than a year back up north.
35 posted on 01/19/2012 6:13:58 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: manc

The difference between a yankee and a damnyankee is that the yankee goes back home.


36 posted on 01/19/2012 6:51:52 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Morgana
For those who may not have read the whole article, this bit near the bottom is well worth repeating:

Although Harms prescribed a compulsory abortion to help stop Moe’s mental illness, abortion may have triggered her psychological issues in the first place. Court records show Moe had a “psychotic break” after her abortion and has been hospitalized numerous times for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

In 2003, researchers at the Elliott Institute found women with a history of previous abortion were nearly three-times as likely to have bipolar disorder, and a 2002 study by the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry observed that post-abortive women were being hospitalized for mental illnesses including schizophrenia.

37 posted on 01/19/2012 9:22:30 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: chesley

nail on head.


38 posted on 01/19/2012 9:40:45 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Pan_Yan

ping


39 posted on 01/19/2012 9:44:28 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Saundra Duffy; little jeremiah; wagglebee; Dr. Sivana
Saundra Duffy (my old friend):

You know as well as anyone how far California has fallen from the days of Ronaldus Maximus. As a native of New England, I lived in Connecticut and had plenty of paternal relatives in the Boston are. If anything, New England's fall has been faster and deeper. As late as the 1970s, both Connecticut and Massachusetts and their Democratic Parties (!!!) were militantly pro-life and socially conservative generally. In 1972 or thereabouts, Connecticut's stiff 1868 anti-abortion criminal statutes were struck down by a federal district court as just tooooo fuddy duddy for our modern sensibilities, inter alia, because they were 19th century laws. Governor Meskill (a pro-life Republican known as "Reagan East" with several adopted children) did not bother appealing but led a bipartisan charge and both houses of the legislature (by 5-1 margins in EACH party) passed the toughest anti-abortion penalties in American history. In the late 1970s, a similar majority of the Massachusetts legislature resolved to call upon Congress to pass a hard-line federal constitutional amendment to permanently outlaw abortion nationally.

We are indeed becoming Red China, courtesy of our smug elitists and polo players who imagine they know better than we do and that "surplus" babies, especially of the poor, need to be butchered in utero. Obama is negotiating to buy, for the post-presidential phase of his life, the palatial beachside mansion of the late Katherine (Planned Barrenhood) Hepburn in the Borough of Fenwick in Old Saybrook, Connecticut, where the views are more pleasant and the weather quite preferable to those in Hyde Park in Sickago and the state Demonrat Parry just as bad and the state Republican just as liberal and futile and worthless as in Sickago.

God bless you and yours!

40 posted on 01/19/2012 11:35:14 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk

“Planned Barrenhood”

I’m gonna start using that!! Good one!


41 posted on 01/19/2012 12:01:58 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Boogieman
Show me a crazy woman, and I’ll show you a man crazy enough to go to bed with her. Hell, if men refused to sleep with women they thought were nutty, or vice versa, our birthrates would bottom out. The fact that we crave companionship and sex enough to put up with each other is what makes the world go round.

Men and women having sex with crazies of the opposite sex because they crave companionship and sex...and will put up with WHATEVER. THAT is what makes the world go round?
I see.

42 posted on 01/19/2012 6:55:54 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: manc

I write from experience. My son married a Liberal. . .


43 posted on 01/19/2012 7:06:35 PM PST by mia
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To: Straight Vermonter
"Instead, Harms ruled that Moe was not mentally competent to decide whether to have the baby, and said that if she were mentally competent, she would choose to have an abortion so she could resume taking medication to treat her illness."
It looks like she had been getting treatment so she may have been relatively normal while on meds.

Isn't it something that "mentally competent" = choose to have an abortion?
I hope she goes back on her meds.
Mental illness and morality: if one doesn't have a good Christian morality, I wonder how that affects someone with mental illness. Or are we talking apples and oranges? Does mental illness preclude being able to conform to one's morality, what ever it is?

44 posted on 01/19/2012 7:19:33 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: mia
write from experience. My son married a Liberal. . .

I am so sorry.
Family dinners must be fun. (NOT!)

45 posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:05 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Morgana

I’d consider this capital punish with no trial, bifurcation, or appeal process.

We give scum like the two animals that murder the woman and her two daughters in Cheshire Connecticut, every opportunity legally available to spare their miserable, evil lives, but an innocent unborn child, that suckers’ going to die!!

No way to make sense out of that!


46 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:49 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: cloudmountain

Well, I’ve got a sign hanging in my kitchen that says it all. . . “Lord, put your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.” And, it works.


47 posted on 01/19/2012 7:33:02 PM PST by mia
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To: mia
Well, I’ve got a sign hanging in my kitchen that says it all. . . “Lord, put your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.” And, it works.

What a marvelous sign!! I'll make one for myself.

When I went to my first job (at age 16) my father said to me: "Do your job and keep your mouth shut." Those were words to LIVE BY! :o)

48 posted on 01/19/2012 8:16:34 PM PST by cloudmountain
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