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Pope: America is “increasingly hostile to Christianity”
Life Site News ^ | January 19, 2012 | JOHN-HENRY WESTEN

Posted on 01/19/2012 3:56:28 PM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY, January 19, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a meeting with various U.S. Bishops today, Pope Benedict XVI said that the consensus which once existed in America supporting “ethical principles deriving from nature and nature’s God,” has faded.  “Today that consensus has eroded significantly in the face of powerful new cultural currents which are not only directly opposed to core moral teachings of the Judeo-Christian tradition, but increasingly hostile to Christianity as such,” he said.

The Pope was emphatic in insisting that the threat posed by current trends threatens not only Christianity but “humanity itself.” He said: “To the extent that some current cultural trends contain elements that would curtail the proclamation of these truths, whether constricting it within the limits of a merely scientific rationality, or suppressing it in the name of political power or majority rule, they represent a threat not just to Christian faith, but also to humanity itself and to the deepest truth about our being and ultimate vocation, our relationship to God.”

The Pope used strong language to describe the grave situation he perceives in America. “(I)t is imperative,” he said, “that the entire Catholic community in the United States come to realise the grave threats to the Church’s public moral witness presented by a radical secularism which finds increasing expression in the political and cultural spheres.”  He continued, “The seriousness of these threats needs to be clearly appreciated at every level of ecclesial life.”

Pope Benedict pointed specifically to attempts to limit freedom of religion, and to “deny the right of conscientious objection on the part of Catholic individuals and institutions with regard to cooperation in intrinsically evil practices.“

The reference to “evil practices” would include Catholic adoption agencies being forced to allow homosexual adoptions, the Obama contraceptive mandate, and similar measures.

Pope Benedict, in sounding the alarm, called not for retreat, but for the leaders of the Catholic Church to press on with preaching the truth however unpopular. “For her part, the Church in the United States is called, in season and out of season, to proclaim a Gospel which not only proposes unchanging moral truths but proposes them precisely as the key to human happiness and social prospering,” he said.  “With her long tradition of respect for the right relationship between faith and reason, the Church has a critical role to play in countering cultural currents which, on the basis of an extreme individualism, seek to promote notions of freedom detached from moral truth.”

The Pope’s full address can be read here.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christianity

1 posted on 01/19/2012 3:56:36 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/19/2012 3:58:36 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

not exactly a shocking revelation


3 posted on 01/19/2012 4:01:04 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: NYer

Quite a bit of hostility directed at Christians in the US is coming from WITHIN many Protestant Churches and especially Roman Catholic Parishes.

Too many lefty priest and ministers are embracing liberation theology as well as economic justice beliefs while at the same time marginalizing those with their Churches who disagree with them.

If you are a Christian who is pro-life,pro family and anti collectivist, you will be attacked by lay church members as well as the clergy.


4 posted on 01/19/2012 4:17:37 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: NYer

Has he taken a look at our Muslim-in-Chief lately? Just sayin’
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5 posted on 01/19/2012 4:18:23 PM PST by perplyone
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To: NYer

Actually the majority of Americans are not hostile towards the real religion of peace, but the media and the non-Constitutionalist Despot Politicians would have the public believe otherwise.


6 posted on 01/19/2012 4:20:23 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Illegal aliens do not belong in the USA. Deport Obama.)
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To: NYer

Evil never likes to be identified for what it is.


7 posted on 01/19/2012 4:26:47 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Very true. If you are “orthodox” you are viewed as a enemy.


8 posted on 01/19/2012 5:02:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

In Illinois homosexuality is more important than children. The Pope is spot on. Unless Catholics come home and live their religion this terrible trend will continue. Only Catholics can turn things around in Illinois. They must reject the liberal tyranny over their fellow human beings.


9 posted on 01/19/2012 5:03:04 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: NYer

Pope Benedict has a talent for dry understatement.


10 posted on 01/19/2012 5:16:34 PM PST by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon... and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times

Yeah, Verily.


11 posted on 01/19/2012 6:29:31 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: 1010RD

The Pope is exactly right—like usual. St. Thomas Aquinas aligned Catholic Theology with Natural Law Theory.

Natural Law Theory is the basis of our Constitution and is where the term inalienable rights and Natural Rights from God—comes from . Personal property rights stems from Natural Law and the freedom of conscience and religion. The concepts of the Creator goes way back before Christianity-—Cicero acknowledge God-given rights.

Marx and the Postmodernists threw out God and Natural Law Theory. John Austin was the rage in our universities—he rejected God Given Rights and Objective Truth and Natural Law theory. SO—it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for our government to dump our Supreme Law of the land—The Constitution—just because some Marxist/Darwinist wants to redesign human beings to destroy the natural family and deny the natural rights of children to have a mother and a father-—proven to be the most perfect way to raise emotionally healthy children.

SO, the Pope is in line with our Constitution-—it is based on Natural Law Theory-—not on Stalin’s and Frank’s standards of Right and Wrong.

Our Laws are unjust when they are not in line with Natural Law and our Constitution-—we have not been vigilant —and allowed judges to make “null and void” law. We need to take our country back....start with the legal system.


12 posted on 01/19/2012 6:41:13 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law.)
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13 posted on 01/19/2012 6:43:53 PM PST by narses
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To: savagesusie

Correct and agreed. Take a look at NDAA. Although, I thought there was a legal difference between unalienable and inalienable that’s now linguistically lost. One is a right you cannot give up even willfully. Do you know which one?


14 posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:29 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: NYer

Our beloved Pope is always so clear, lucic and absolutely correct. What a MARVELOUS successor to St. Peter. We are so lucky, aren’t we?


15 posted on 01/19/2012 7:49:26 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: GreyFriar
Yeah, Verily.

True, and I'm glad he said it.

16 posted on 01/19/2012 8:59:13 PM PST by zot
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To: 1010RD
IMHO, only Catholics can turn the whole country around because the alternative is Protestant and Protestant derived religions that accept anything and everything from ordaining queers to forced sterilization in the name of saving "Mother Earth". Satan is a past master of divide and conquer tactics as illustrated by the fact that there are at a minimum thousands upon thousands of different non-Catholic groups each claiming to be the real Christian church.

Only when Catholics return to orthodox belief and are an obvious united counterpoint to that fragmentation can this country turn around.

17 posted on 01/20/2012 12:51:36 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin
IMHO, only Catholics can turn the whole country around because the alternative is Protestant and Protestant derived religions that accept anything and everything from ordaining queers to forced sterilization in the name of saving "Mother Earth". Satan is a past master of divide and conquer tactics as illustrated by the fact that there are at a minimum thousands upon thousands of different non-Catholic groups each claiming to be the real Christian church. Only when Catholics return to orthodox belief and are an obvious united counterpoint to that fragmentation can this country turn around.

I really really have to snicker at this 'smoke'. But I sure won't get in your way as you fix all the damage done to US by Nanny the RED PEWlouise and saint in waiting Teddy Kennedy.

18 posted on 01/20/2012 12:55:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Sure, sure, just ignore that good Presbyterian Woodrow Wilson, the good Episcopalian FDR, the good Disciples of Christ member LBJ, those steller Baptists Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, and of course, totally ignore our current imbecile who attended the Trinity United Church of Christ for twenty years.

Yeah, it was all Ted Kennedy, ever since the First World War it's been Ted Kennedy all along.

19 posted on 01/20/2012 1:15:41 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin
Sure, sure, just ignore that good Presbyterian Woodrow Wilson, the good Episcopalian FDR, the good Disciples of Christ member LBJ, those steller Baptists Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, and of course, totally ignore our current imbecile who attended the Trinity United Church of Christ for twenty years. Yeah, it was all Ted Kennedy, ever since the First World War it's been Ted Kennedy all along.

I thought the 'wise' were to learn from history and NOT try and outdo and out spend and out mommy prior bad actors.

Under the workings (see bad works are also tabulated in Heaven as well as the good) of Nanny the (commie) Red 'religious' Pewlouise and that saint in waiting Kennedy, we have been enslaved with more debt than all previous bad acts of any other denomination.

Christ did say there would always be the 'poor' among US, but it was not until this bunch that I realized He was explaining WHY. Anyway according to my Catholic in-laws, unless you are stamped Catholic you are NOT Christian anyway. Strange to have supposed non-Christians as the standard to be measuring that supposed only Christian denomination.

20 posted on 01/20/2012 2:09:27 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: NYer
"In a meeting with various U.S. Bishops today, Pope Benedict XVI said that the consensus which once existed in America supporting “ethical principles deriving from nature and nature’s God,” has faded. “Today that consensus has eroded significantly in the face of powerful new cultural currents which are not only directly opposed to core moral teachings of the Judeo-Christian tradition, but increasingly hostile to Christianity as such,” he said."

I think the consensus existed because more folks feared God back then.They believed in nature's God because nature all around them pointed to Him.They didn't have the problem of trying to intellectualise away Genesis 1:1.

It is man's reliance on man's wisdom that eroded that consensus,not the powerfull new cultural trends.Rather the new cultural trends have sprung from that eroded consensus.

21 posted on 01/20/2012 2:35:37 AM PST by mitch5501 (It's high time I changed this stupid tagline!)
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To: Rashputin

.....And also those strict Bible-oriented Evangelicals as well.


22 posted on 01/20/2012 3:55:32 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Rashputin

I meant that Catholics have to stop voting for Democrats. The Catholic vote consistently gives big city Democrats the margin of victory. If they’re truly Catholics, then they should vote for those candidates that most support their beliefs. That’s not Democrats.


23 posted on 01/20/2012 5:24:35 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Just mythoughts

“Anyway according to my Catholic in-laws, unless you are stamped Catholic you are NOT Christian anyway.”

They are wrong, tell them to take it up with Pope Benedict and the congregation for the doctrine of the faith.

“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”[12].

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

Freegards


24 posted on 01/20/2012 5:42:18 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: 1010RD

And I’m agreeing. Unless they return to being really Catholic, they can’t do a thing about the Country, they’ve raplaced their faith with someting else. I think just like a great many non-Catholics are more socal Christians than believers, the same is true of Catholics.

The number of preists and bishops who wanted to revemp the Catholic Church into something almost, but not quite, Protestant didn’t help but it is mainly the folks who seem to be habitual Catholics but not believing Catholics who I think are solidly democrat. They’re just the same as the non-Catholics who led the way in teaching the “social gospel” when thousands of them welcomed Margret Sanger as a speaker when she was first advocating what became PP and eugenics. If the Church returns to the Orthodox teaching, the folks who are the problem will either turn around and change or leave. I don’t really see any other religious group with a chance of having the same sort of national impact if they turn around.


25 posted on 01/20/2012 5:48:49 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I am surprised at how many fellow catholics have just gone along with the herd on gay marriage and snubbing their noses at decent catholics like Rick Santorum.

They will use the typical descriptives like “ultra” and “extreme”.....
I’m always left wondering -”you want to self-identify as a catholic yet mock people who are only adhering to catholic teaching?”


26 posted on 01/20/2012 5:52:00 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

This is an awfully good point you make.

The average parish is chock-a-block full of parishioners whose commitment to and knowledge of the Faith is as edifying as 2-hr-old warm coffee.

That aside, Catholics need to break the stranglehold Democrats have long held on Catholic voters.

If federalism were really allowed to work and the principle of subsidiarity gained traction, conservatism (not nec to be confused with the GOP) would be a natural home for Catholics.


27 posted on 01/20/2012 6:48:10 AM PST by CatholicEagle
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