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A New Book Examines 'The Real Romney'
NPR Fresh Air/WHYY ^ | Jan. 19, 2012 | WHYY

Posted on 01/20/2012 7:59:31 AM PST by Colofornian

In a new biography, two...Boston Globe reporters write about...Mitt Romney...

On their hunt for The Real Romney, Scott Helman and Michael Kranish traced Romney's life...

SNIP

He...became a leader in the Mormon lay clergy...and eventually became the leader of more than a dozen congregations in eastern Massachusetts.

SNIP

Peggie Hayes

Helman: "One of the things the Mormon church does not look kindly upon is single parenthood. There was a woman named Peggie Hayes who had known Romney when she was in his ward. She had come from a family which had had some struggles, had looked to Mormonism to anchor them. She had a child and then was pregnant with the second child. She was married when she had the first child and got divorced. So she was not married at the time. So Mitt Romney came to her apartment in the city of Somerville [in Massachusetts], and he delivers this message to her, which is, by her interpretation, fairly harsh. Which is: The church does not want you to keep this baby; the church thinks it would be better if your soon-to-be-born son would grow up in a family with two parents, so we think you should give the child up for adoption. And Peggie Hayes' first reaction is that she must have misheard something because she can't believe what he's asking her to do. But he continues, according to her, and in fact goes so far as to threaten her with excommunication — that she could be thrown out of the church, essentially, if she didn't follow the church's orders. This was a very distressing visit from her perspective. Romney later denied that he had threatened her with excommunication. But this was a profound moment for Peggie and part of the reason why she ended up leaving the church."

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From the article citing the book: "One of the things the Mormon church does not look kindly upon is single parenthood. There was a woman named Peggie Hayes who had known Romney when she was in his ward. She had come from a family which had had some struggles, had looked to Mormonism to anchor them. She had a child and then was pregnant with the second child. She was married when she had the first child and got divorced. So she was not married at the time. So Mitt Romney came to her apartment in the city of Somerville [in Massachusetts], and he delivers this message to her, which is, by her interpretation, fairly harsh. Which is: The church does not want you to keep this baby; the church thinks it would be better if your soon-to-be-born son would grow up in a family with two parents, so we think you should give the child up for adoption. And Peggie Hayes' first reaction is that she must have misheard something because she can't believe what he's asking her to do. But he continues, according to her, and in fact goes so far as to threaten her with excommunication — that she could be thrown out of the church, essentially, if she didn't follow the church's orders. This was a very distressing visit from her perspective...this was a profound moment for Peggie and part of the reason why she ended up leaving the church."

Yup. Mormon LEADERS like Mitt Romney trying to "protect" the Lds church's "reputation" -- at all costs, of course!

1 posted on 01/20/2012 7:59:42 AM PST by Colofornian
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2 posted on 01/20/2012 8:06:49 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Colofornian

Although I imagine they would have preferred not to release this until after Mitt got the nomination, it looks a little like the publisher is getting nervous. After all, if he doesn’t get the nomination, the book is worthless—both financially and as an attack piece for the Dems.

I have suggested for a long time that, although the media may occasionally play the LDS card only on the down low for now, if Mitt is the nominee every American will know way, way more about Mormonism than we ever expected—all courtesy of the Democrat media machine.


3 posted on 01/20/2012 8:14:49 AM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: All
My, my. How "pro-family" of Mitt Romney.

It'll be interesting to see how all the people who've defended Romney on thus far having only one wife will defend this.

(Why do I say "thus far?" Because...
... Mormons believe marriages are forever...
...Mitt's wife has been diagnosed with MS since late 1990s...
...If she dies first and Mitt marries again in the Mormon temple "for eternity," that'll give him TWO wives for eternity...
...in which by CURRENT Mormon doctrine would = Mitt becoming an eternal polygamist...)

I can see the headlines now were Mitt to be in a situation where he took an eventual second wife ... say numerous years into a Mitt POTUS...'Future Polygamist-god Romney sends first wife on ahead to Kolobian universe to ready a great white throne as a transition from his lesser White House role'

Mitt is making the GOP into a laughing stock of shared gullibilities.

4 posted on 01/20/2012 8:17:01 AM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: Colofornian
I can see the headlines now were Mitt to be in a situation where he took an eventual second wife ... say numerous years into a Mitt POTUS...'Future Polygamist-god Romney sends first wife on ahead to Kolobian universe to ready a great white throne as a transition from his lesser White House role'

I think in order for her to get her salvation he has to be resurected first and then make the decision to call her forth.
5 posted on 01/20/2012 8:28:48 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Colofornian

Yep when I found out my ex-wife was “celebrating diversity” and I told the Bishop, the very first thing out of his mouth was to keep it quiet. I had another breakaway LDS sect mormon suggest I move to another town or state to keep the whole affair private so as not to sully the reputation of the cult.


6 posted on 01/20/2012 8:35:14 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Colofornian

Sign of a Cult: Authoritarianism over every detail of members lives.

Willard Romney was there as the enforcer. If anyone thinks he is conservative,
just try to explain this.

At the time he tried to force here to give up her child, she was a mother.

He is as evil as the cult he serves.


7 posted on 01/20/2012 8:36:27 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

All that’s missing is the Kool-Aid.


8 posted on 01/20/2012 8:37:29 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Colofornian
"It'll be interesting to see how all the people who've defended Romney on thus far having only one wife will defend this."

RE polygamy: My understanding is that LDS outlawed polygamy before the Civil War.

As to Mitt's harsh words: So what? LDS doctrine believes that families should have two parents; what's shocking about that?

Finally, consider the source: a NPR blab show interview of two Dem hacks.

9 posted on 01/20/2012 8:40:52 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Colofornian

I posted this the other day, but it still applies...

I have a Mormon friend (since High School) who is going through something similar. She is divorced twice, 4 kids. Rather than have an abortion when she got pregnant out of wedlock (to cover up her sin), she decided to have the baby and keep it.

She is now being excommunicated by the Mormon church for her decision.


10 posted on 01/20/2012 8:46:36 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: pennyfarmer; reaganaut
" I think in order for her to get her salvation he has to be resurected first and then make the decision to call her forth."

That is correct. LDS sect mormnons practice this ceremony in the temple. The husband is judged by God(s), gives the signs and enters through the "veil" first. He then judges his wife and is given the option of bringing her through or leaving here there. I have heard of many cases where the husband has left the wife standing there for a time to prove a point, and in one case he left the temple and went home. That will teach those wives to try to "do their own thinking" !

I resigned my membership, have been forgiven and saved by Christ, but I was once an LDS sect "high preist and bishoric member. I'm a little ashamed still to know that I told the husband of a slothful nasty brawling and contentious woman, who is a close friend and neighbor of hot sauce mom, to leave her at the "veil" for an hour to get her head straight.

11 posted on 01/20/2012 8:48:41 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL

Yep that sounds about right. Our Stake covered up a serial rapist who raped several women in the Stake. I was only warned because his shrink broke doctor/patient confidentiality and told me since he was in my ward at the time. Every time he did it, they just moved him to another ward, and the women who threatened to press charges were threatened with church discipline.


12 posted on 01/20/2012 8:54:02 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: tsomer
"My understanding is that LDS outlawed polygamy before the Civil War."

Negative. It wasn't officially outlawed until 1890 or so, and there are reports of secret polygamist marriages of LDS leaders conducted as recently as 1920. It was never condoned, only set aside for Utah's statehood.

The Breakaway LDS sect is currently taught that Polygamy will be reinstituted at the second coming an on into the eternities.

The psychological worry about the implications of polygamy and a wive's standing with the husband are suffered by LDS sect mormon women to this very day.

13 posted on 01/20/2012 8:54:14 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: tsomer
RE polygamy: My understanding is that LDS outlawed polygamy before the Civil War.

Homework required before posting misinformation on FR.

14 posted on 01/20/2012 8:54:41 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Colofornian

I hope, after you’ve completed your thorough analysis and history of the Mormon Church, you will do likewise with Obama’s church that he belonged to in Chicago for over 20 years.


15 posted on 01/20/2012 8:59:14 AM PST by Cousin It
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To: reaganaut
That's nuts, but not the least bit surprising.

Did you go through the temple ? Ever hear of any ladies being left at the "veil" ?

16 posted on 01/20/2012 9:01:24 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Cousin It
We did, Obama's church is just militant marxism under the guise of religion. It's an open secret and he hasn't really denied it. He's more honorable in this respect than Romney.

...And Obama's not running for the republican nomination as a cult member claiming to be a Christian and a commie lib claiming to be a conservative.

17 posted on 01/20/2012 9:06:03 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: tsomer
RE polygamy: My understanding is that LDS outlawed polygamy before the Civil War.

Very wrong indeed.

The LDS did not ever technically outlaw polygamy. It is still in their sacred scripture, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132.

The Mormon Curch was condemned by Congress over the practice over the years. Finally, in 1887, a law was enacted that dissolved the Church as a criminal enterprise, and ordered their assets seized and sold at auction. The law was upheld by the US Supreme court in 1889 and the Mormons agreed to obey the law in the Manifesto adopted in 1890. They lied.

In the Reed Smoot hearings in 1905, it was revealed that the LDS were still practicing polygamy. This time they adopted the seldom discussed Second Manifesto wherein they again promised to abandon the practice. Again, they lied.

In 1923, the Saints finally stopped consecrating polygamous marriages in their temple ceremonies. Coincidentally, this is the year the FLDS broke away from the larger Mormon group.

The last polygamous Mormon president died in 1945, the last (of very few) prosecution for bigamy/polygamy in Utah was in 1952, and today polygamous marriages are rigorously denied but widely reported to exist throughout the LDS communities. The Church still sanctions polygamy in cases where a widow or widower remarries, and they teach that polygamy will occur in the afterlife.

18 posted on 01/20/2012 9:12:21 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: SENTINEL
The Breakaway LDS sect is currently taught that Polygamy will be reinstituted at the second coming an on into the eternities.

Speaking of the jailed child molestyer Warren Jeffs; what did I find in the INDIANAPOLIS morning paper but TWO ads from his organization; trying to sell stuff to get money!!

What's up with THAT???



http://flds.org/

19 posted on 01/20/2012 9:16:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

We all knew there would be mormon attacks against romney, didn’t we?


20 posted on 01/20/2012 9:20:28 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Utah Binger
Homework required before posting misinformation on FR.

Like THIS???



POLYGAMY is STILL the Official Doctrine of  The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints - based in Salt Laker City.

NOTHING was changed in the MORMONic scriptures.

Here - read for yourself - just SEE if 'GOD' told them to change ANYTHING about their belief.


 

 
 
 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

21 posted on 01/20/2012 9:22:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


22 posted on 01/20/2012 9:23:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
D&C 119:4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them...
 


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.



1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many awives and bconcubines

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, aprepare thy heart to receive and bobey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye bdamned; for no one can creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

5 For all who will have a ablessing at my hands shall abide the blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6And as pertaining to the new and aeverlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my bglory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

 

 

 

 

58Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


23 posted on 01/20/2012 9:24:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zakeet

I stand corrected on the polygamy chronology thing.

I still don’t think we should assume that every Mormon has multiple wives, and that since Mitt’s Mormon, he has a passel of them stashed somewhere in the Rockies, or that he wants to, and expects us to do the same.

But, if he did, how would that distinguish him apart from Newt Gingrich?


24 posted on 01/20/2012 9:27:05 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Elsie
Didja catch that verse 6???

SOMEone did!!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

25 posted on 01/20/2012 9:27:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cousin It; Colofornian

how sweet. You caught the attention of a nOOb.


26 posted on 01/20/2012 9:30:16 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: tsomer

RE polygamy: My understanding is that LDS outlawed polygamy before the Civil War.

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No they didn’t. They practiced it openly until 1890 when the ‘prophet’ gave a pronouncement that he (the prophet) would abide by US law in order for Utah to gain statehood. However, it was not outlawed or rescinded. There is ample evidence that polygamy was practiced in the LDS church until the 1930’s when the so called ‘second manifesto’ was released, however that is not a revelation or command and polygamy was not rescinded, it was more of a policy change. In order not to break up families, those that were already in polygamous marriages were allowed to remain, thus there were still polygamous marriages in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

In any event, the LDS church has not revoked the revelation commanding polygamy and many LDS expect it to be brought back at some point usually the Millennium when Christ will rule from Missiouri.

If you would like I can provide sources for all of this.


27 posted on 01/20/2012 9:30:16 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: SENTINEL

I’ll be honest with you. I don’t know jack piddly poop about the Mormon Church. But I do know that some of the very same people who have called that church a cult have said the same thing about the Catholic Church, the one I belong to.


28 posted on 01/20/2012 9:30:55 AM PST by Cousin It
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To: Zakeet

Hmmmm. Maybe Newt would have been better off converting to that church instead of the Catholic Church.


29 posted on 01/20/2012 9:35:00 AM PST by Cousin It
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To: Elsie
Hi.

I believe my prophet Joseph Smith communed with God(s) and restored the gospel.

I believe the Book of Mormon is true.

I believe Joseph Smith's translation of the bible is true.

I believe families can be together forever, which my 50 wives find very comforting.

I believe my prophet Brigham Young was led by God(s) to zion.

I believe that only through the laws and temple ordinances of the gospel and wearing my garments I can be saved.

My name is WARREN AND I'M A MORMON !


30 posted on 01/20/2012 9:35:57 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL

I have heard of many cases where the husband has left the wife standing there for a time to prove a point, and in one case he left the temple and went home.

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Wow, I missed out on those stories, but I can see it happening.


31 posted on 01/20/2012 9:49:41 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: tsomer

Believing that a child should have two parents and FORCING a woman to give her child away are two completely different things. One is good, the other is abhorrent. Using a position of power and trust, manipulating a vulnerable single parent with the threat of excommunication/shunning is antithetical to family values. I suspect that when the light of day is shined on mormon values, they will no longer be able to pretend to be “Christian.”


32 posted on 01/20/2012 9:50:19 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Cousin It
Many so called churches try to interfere with your personal relationship with Christ through traditions, ceremonies, intermediaries, meddling with the bible, assertion of non existant authority, assignment of false works of salvation and teaching of non-biblical doctrines of men.

If your church falls into these catagories, you should consider for yourself and pray to God and only God for deliverance.

I do not have the knowledge of the Catholic Church to make specific accusations. God has prepared me to help Mormons brak free.

33 posted on 01/20/2012 9:52:05 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Cousin It

I have never been UCC like Wright. I have been LDS (Mormon) so I have more knowledge of that just through experience.

However, I have done quite a bit of research on black liberation theology - what would you like to know?

BTW, welcome to FR n00b.


34 posted on 01/20/2012 9:54:42 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: SENTINEL

Went through once (that was enough) and never heard the stories about women being left at the veil but it doesn’t surprise me.


35 posted on 01/20/2012 10:00:55 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: tsomer
I still don’t think we should assume that every Mormon has multiple wives, and that since Mitt’s Mormon, he has a passel of them stashed somewhere in the Rockies, or that he wants to, and expects us to do the same.

I think it's safe to assume that Bishop Romney has no earthly wives other than Ann. I also think that it's safe to assume that, as an avowed true believing Mormon, Mitt expects to acquire a harem in the hereafter.

But, if he did, how would that distinguish him apart from Newt Gingrich?

I don't understand your point. Newt has never claimed to believe in polygamy and has never entered into a polygamous marriage.

36 posted on 01/20/2012 10:02:04 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Elsie

You know those might be worth ordering, hard copies of things like that are becoming rare.


37 posted on 01/20/2012 10:05:07 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: reaganaut

Thank you.

I have seen more than enough of Rev. Wright. I know liberation theology is little more than Marxism mixed in with the Bible.

If Romney does indeed become the GOP nominee, the Dems would be wise not to bring up the religious issue given where BHO attended church most of his adult life.


38 posted on 01/20/2012 10:06:52 AM PST by Cousin It
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To: Cousin It
Hmmmm. Maybe Newt would have been better off converting to [Mormonism] instead of the Catholic Church.

Why do you say that?

39 posted on 01/20/2012 10:07:06 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: xzins; Colofornian

We all knew there would be mormon attacks against romney, didn’t we?

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And some of us who know Mormonism well have been saying there would be for a long time, while other Freepers were denying the possibility and saying his religion didn’t matter.

If you know Mormonism, you saw this coming.


40 posted on 01/20/2012 10:08:52 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: Cousin It; SENTINEL

But I do know that some of the very same people who have called that church a cult have said the same thing about the Catholic Church, the one I belong to.

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Not me, and not Sentinel. Care to name names?

Catholics believe in the Trinity and the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. Mormons do not. Also there is the matter of level of control that the LDS church exercises over its members - that is what makes them a cult.


41 posted on 01/20/2012 10:14:30 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: Zakeet

polygamy.


42 posted on 01/20/2012 10:27:16 AM PST by Cousin It
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To: reaganaut; Cousin It
I agree with Reaganaut about the cult-like level of control. There is no comparison whatsoever between the current catholic church and the breakaway LDS sect of mormonism as far as dominatation of members lives is concerned.

This was not always the case, such as during the Catholic crusades, for instance....and I have serious doubts about the foundation of the Catholic religion based on the Vatican's removal of the second commandement and splitting of the tenth commandment into two.

In short, I do not believe in the Catholic religion, but see no cult-like control issues that dominate the current LDS sect of mormonism. I believe a Catholic president could rule without interference from the Vatican. An LDS sect mormon President would be wholy owned by the whims of Salt Lake city.

43 posted on 01/20/2012 10:50:55 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Cousin It

the Dems would be wise not to bring up the religious issue given where BHO attended church most of his adult life.

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You are forgetting the MSM double standard. Mitt’s religion will matter, Obama’s won’t.


44 posted on 01/20/2012 10:58:58 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: reaganaut

Agree the MSM will make as much hay as possible about the Mormon church as they are totally in BHO’s hip pocket.

But hopefully outlets such as FNC can do some big exposees on Rev. Wright and BHO’s Trinity United church in Chicago.


45 posted on 01/20/2012 11:08:51 AM PST by Cousin It
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46 posted on 01/20/2012 11:43:18 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Cousin It
But I do know that some of the very same people who have called that church a cult have said the same thing about the Catholic Church, the one I belong to.

So?

Guess what the MORMONs have called YOUR church!

It ain't pretty!

47 posted on 01/20/2012 1:43:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cousin It; SENTINEL
I don’t know jack piddly poop about the Mormon Church. But I do know that some of the very same people who have called that church a cult have said the same thing about the Catholic Church, the one I belong to.

So if somebody has spoken negatively of the RC church, then it dismisses/negates any "cult" labels attached to by same people...
...Jim Jones...
...Heavensgate...
...David Koresh...
...Scientology...
...etc.???

Don't overwhelm us with such sage logic.

48 posted on 01/20/2012 1:46:08 PM PST by Colofornian (f 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: Cousin It
If Romney does indeed become the GOP nominee, the Dems would be wise not to bring up the religious issue given where BHO attended church most of his adult life.

You've not been here long, I see.

Not to worry, as the MSM will NOT be looking into Bammy's baggage; but Mitt's.

One WILL learn that they are TOTALLY in the tank for LIBERALism.

49 posted on 01/20/2012 1:46:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cousin It
 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


50 posted on 01/20/2012 1:48:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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