Posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:25 AM PST by marshmallow
The Obama administration has chosen to ignore the First Amendment and add insult to injury for Catholics whose schools, hospitals and charities help make this nation great. Now the real fight begins.
Religious leaders had feared the worst from Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and her Department of Health and Human Services, which since September has been considering whether to exempt Catholic and other religious employers from a regulation mandating insurance coverage for sterilization and contraceptives, including some that cause abortion.
But on Friday afternoon, Sebelius announced the bad news in the most offensive way possible. Refusing even the smallest compromise with religious employers, she simply gave them an extra year to comply with the law.
“This decision was made after very careful consideration, including the important concerns some have raised about religious liberty,” Sebelius wrote in a brief statement from HHS. “I believe this proposal strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious freedom and increasing access to important preventive services.”
Her attempt to appear compromising is absurd. What “balance” could Sebelius possibly mean? The HHS regulations include the narrowest exemption for religious employers ever proposed by the federal government, and even more restrictive than such exemptions in most states.
Any pretense of seeking “common ground” with faithful Catholics--which President Obama offered during his much-protested appearance at the University of Notre Dame nearly three years ago--has been stripped away. Only weeks ago, it seemed that the White House might be more sympathetic than Sebelius to the concerns of Catholic and other religious leaders. President Obama met personally with Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, reportedly assuring a good outcome to the HHS debacle. But now one newspaper is reporting that the president himself gave the bad news to Archbishop Dolan on Friday morning, something akin to.........
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
She has just proven herself to be completely out of communion with the Catholic Church. If her bishop does nothing about this, it’ll be a shame.
Back to Topeka with her...
All to be overturned next year. Good riddance to F-ing libs everywhere. You’re finished.
Preventing pregnancies is NOT a function of government.
Totalitarians placing demands/mandates on collectives. Become the happy face for totalitarians, pay the jizya, be subjugated and do as your told.
The fight is OVER. You lost. We lost. You knew these were totalitarians long ago.
What “balance” could Sebelius possibly mean?
Read the adjective. It's the "appropriate" balance. It's socialist/totalitarian speak for DON'T QUESTION ME.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The fight is OVER. The war continues. Prepare.
Democrats hate the Catholic Church; its in their DNA.
THIS is a fight that the Obama Administration is going to lose.
There is a growing number of people who pray and fast daily for this nation. Several of those people have been asking the Blessed Mother of Jesus to intercede with the following prayer: “O Blessed Virgin, Mother of the Savior, scatter the forces of evil so they are not engrossed in darkness but can come to light.”
Even the ‘cafeteria Catholics’ are beginning to SEE where this administration wants to take us.
And yet, Catholics keep voting for democrats (except this Catholic).
Her original intent was to limit couples to one child so enforcing this mandate is a compromise in her eyes.
No is paying for the destruction and death of its unborn citizens.
And neither will this Catholic.
I made that mistake.
Once.
NEVER AGAIN!
NOR....
Those aren’t real “Roman Catholics”; they’re CINO’s, “Catholics in Name Only”.
This along with FOCA is the Liberal plan to seize the Catholic Hospitals. 25% of all hospital beds in America are in buildings with the word Saint on them. The Bishops will close them before capitulating to abortion. Obama will call this a “crisis”.
The Catholic Church was practising their religion here in America since 1635.
Article I of the U.S. Constitution prohibits the passage of ex post facto laws, viz.,
``Section 9.: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.``
Ignore the powers that be. Do it your way.
And sue them. There is a very strong 1st amendment case to be made here.
Catholics, who accounted for about a quarter of the electorate, supported Obama, at 54 percent, over McCain, at 45 percent.
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My biggest surprise here.
The article is in the WA compost!!
Wintertime ( graduate of Villanova University)
I didn't know Sebelius was Catholic. Gee!
The only fix to the crisis being Obamacare...the faculty at Notre Dame should be aplogizing for their stupidity.
Supreme Court of the United States — be forewarned.
Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent
Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent
Correction: People who self-identified as Catholics, who accounted for about a quarter of the electorate, supported Obama, at 54 percent, over McCain, at 45 percent, according to unscientific and highly unreliable exit polls.
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Interesting claim that 9 million evangelical Christians voted for Obama...
Evangelicals are clearly the most conservative voters in America, but some percentage of them are naturally going to stray for some reason, but I can hardly find fault with our rock solid block of right wing voters, I only wish that others could come even close to their vote.
Seventy and eighty percent pro-life, conservative voting, is a goal that the rest of conservative Christians should fight to get their churches to equal, I’m sure that Evangelicals could use some help. It sure is better than being a Democrat voting block.
Correction Catholics who are so identified by the Pope and the official Catholic Church, voted 54% for Obama.
Dittos! How do “Catholics” like Sebelius, Pelosi, the Kennedys, Kerry, et al. maintain their standing in the Roman Catholic Church? Why don’t the bishops, cardinals, or others in the heirarchy excommunicate them? I would think the Church would want to rid itself of these people who blatantly flaunt their distaste for what the Church teaches.
"The Pope and the official Catholic Church" don't spend their days "identifying" Catholics. They have better things to do. Neither does the Church keep a list of who is and who is not a Catholic nor does it issue a membership card which identifies the carrier as officially Catholic with the Pope's signature and valid stamp.
There's a good reason for that.
It's because being Catholic entails interior assent to certain beliefs and the living out of those beliefs on a daily basis. Obviously, that's something that God can very well keep track of but it's a little difficult for mere mortals.
Individual parishes keep historical records of who was baptized, who was married, who died etc, but you'll appreciate that this is not quite the same thing and it's not a job for "the Pope and the official Catholic Church". The office workers take care of it and says nothing about adherence to those tenets of faith which the Church professes.
So the Vatican is not in any way a source for the number of Catholics?
According to Wikipedia, her Catholicism is at an end. Raymond Cardinal Burke, who is the Chief Justice of the Signatura (the Vatican's highest court) has publicly instructed Sebelius NOT to approach for receipt of the Holy Eucharist anywhere since she no longer qualifies as Catholic based upon her persistent public sin of support for baby-killing. It is not very likely that she will ever seek forgiveness and she will likely have to do so at the Vatican. Given that she was a close ally of the late Killer Tiller of Wichita, she has a LOT to repent!
I didn’t read the full article, because I prefer not to give the Washington Post hits, but did the Washington Post actually run an article critical of Obama?
The number of true Catholics? No.
The term "Catholic" is often used loosely in the media. The Vatican can tell you how many people attended Church on Sunday. It can tell you how many people have been baptized. It can tell you how many people checked the "Catholic" box in the national population census. That's what is usually meant by "Catholic" when statistics are discussed. It's based on self-identification or numbers of people who have had some form of contact with the Church.
What the Vatican can't tell you is how many people actually believe what the Church teaches.
And if one does not believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then one is not a Catholic.
There's nothing unique about that. If you believe in God, then you're not an atheist. If you don't believe in Marx's dogmas, you're not a communist. If you don't believe in Calvin's teachings, you're not a Calvinist. Irrespective of where you plant your posterior on a Sunday or any other day.
Unless you can show proof that the self-identified Catholics who respond to exit polls all present officially stamped memberships by the Pope and the Catholic Church, A.A. Cunningham's description is the only accurate one.
Mormons seem to have a lower approval rating of Obama. You should become one if you value the voting patterns of self-identified religious groups so much.
I can see how pride and chauvinism blocks we conservatives from being able to enlist even Catholic conservatives in our fight against liberalism.
I think you just said that yes, they are Catholics, and the Pope and the Vatican labels them as such, counts them as such. That is why we have a voter category called Catholic, not super Catholic, or only Catholics approved by John the internet guy, or whatever it takes to eliminate the possibility of measuring the Catholic vote in elections.
Identity pride can trump conservative politics even at conservative political sites evidently.
What???
Wait ....
I don't have an officially stamped membership ...
OH NOES!!!!!
Does this mean I'm not really Catholic???
You think so? Then let me see if I can make it clear.
It's really simple. See if you can grasp this.
Belief is important.
If it isn't, then anybody can be labeled anything.
What am I missing?
You are anti-Christian, trying to convert people to Mormonism?
You don’t do politics, track voting patterns, groups, inroads into the Hispanic vote, or the Catholic vote, or which candidate may hurt us with the Evangelical vote, or the female vote, or who may hurt us down ticket, will we get the military vote, etc?
Why would you be at freerepublic if those areas don’t interest you.
So the Pope, and the Vatican do not count those people as Catholics?
Those “non-Catholics” are removed when the Pope or the Vatican offers numbers for the Catholic population?
No. You're smart enough to realize I was making the point that religions are not to be judged by the voting patterns of their self-identified members.
You don’t do politics, track voting patterns, groups, inroads into the Hispanic vote, or the Catholic vote, or which candidate may hurt us with the Evangelical vote, or the female vote, or who may hurt us down ticket, will we get the military vote, etc?
Yes. I'm also smart enough to realize that you often try to present the data in ways that make Catholics look as bad as possible. Look, you're not one of the unhinged and crazy anti-Catholics. But even though your anti-Catholicism is subtler than theirs, it doesn't mean it's still not obvious.
Evidently no one is certain what is a Catholic.
The world has vastly overstated the number of Catholics. America evidently has a much tinier Catholic population than is reported.
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