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Obama Administration Picks a Fight With Catholics
The Washington Post ^ | 1/20/12 | Patrick J. Reilly

Posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:25 AM PST by marshmallow

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1 posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:29 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

She has just proven herself to be completely out of communion with the Catholic Church. If her bishop does nothing about this, it’ll be a shame.


2 posted on 01/23/2012 6:54:41 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

Back to Topeka with her...


3 posted on 01/23/2012 6:56:03 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: marshmallow

All to be overturned next year. Good riddance to F-ing libs everywhere. You’re finished.


4 posted on 01/23/2012 6:59:42 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: marshmallow

Preventing pregnancies is NOT a function of government.


5 posted on 01/23/2012 7:04:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: marshmallow

Totalitarians placing demands/mandates on collectives. Become the happy face for totalitarians, pay the jizya, be subjugated and do as your told.


6 posted on 01/23/2012 7:15:24 AM PST by PGalt
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To: marshmallow
Now the real fight begins.

The fight is OVER. You lost. We lost. You knew these were totalitarians long ago.

What “balance” could Sebelius possibly mean?

Read the adjective. It's the "appropriate" balance. It's socialist/totalitarian speak for DON'T QUESTION ME.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The fight is OVER. The war continues. Prepare.

7 posted on 01/23/2012 7:25:27 AM PST by PGalt
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To: al_c

Democrats hate the Catholic Church; its in their DNA.


8 posted on 01/23/2012 7:27:17 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: al_c

9 posted on 01/23/2012 7:30:37 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: marshmallow

THIS is a fight that the Obama Administration is going to lose.

There is a growing number of people who pray and fast daily for this nation. Several of those people have been asking the Blessed Mother of Jesus to intercede with the following prayer: “O Blessed Virgin, Mother of the Savior, scatter the forces of evil so they are not engrossed in darkness but can come to light.”

Even the ‘cafeteria Catholics’ are beginning to SEE where this administration wants to take us.


10 posted on 01/23/2012 7:39:20 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Rich21IE
"Democrats hate the Catholic Church; its in their DNA."

And yet, Catholics keep voting for democrats (except this Catholic).

11 posted on 01/23/2012 7:39:43 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: marshmallow

Her original intent was to limit couples to one child so enforcing this mandate is a compromise in her eyes.


12 posted on 01/23/2012 7:40:00 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Sacajaweau

No is paying for the destruction and death of its unborn citizens.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 7:46:29 AM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: anoldafvet

And neither will this Catholic.

I made that mistake.

Once.

NEVER AGAIN!


14 posted on 01/23/2012 7:47:36 AM PST by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: georgia peach

NOR....


15 posted on 01/23/2012 7:49:13 AM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: anoldafvet

Those aren’t real “Roman Catholics”; they’re CINO’s, “Catholics in Name Only”.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 8:03:01 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: georgia peach

This along with FOCA is the Liberal plan to seize the Catholic Hospitals. 25% of all hospital beds in America are in buildings with the word Saint on them. The Bishops will close them before capitulating to abortion. Obama will call this a “crisis”.


17 posted on 01/23/2012 8:06:38 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow
Sorry Obummer, but ex post facto laws are illegal-

The Catholic Church was practising their religion here in America since 1635.

Article I of the U.S. Constitution prohibits the passage of ex post facto laws, viz.,

``Section 9.: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.``

18 posted on 01/23/2012 8:15:03 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Obummer is a Pope ?? Who knew?)
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To: marshmallow

Ignore the powers that be. Do it your way.

And sue them. There is a very strong 1st amendment case to be made here.


19 posted on 01/23/2012 8:35:16 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: Rich21IE

Catholics, who accounted for about a quarter of the electorate, supported Obama, at 54 percent, over McCain, at 45 percent.


20 posted on 01/23/2012 8:38:31 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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21 posted on 01/23/2012 8:39:52 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


22 posted on 01/23/2012 8:43:17 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: marshmallow

My biggest surprise here.

The article is in the WA compost!!


23 posted on 01/23/2012 9:03:27 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: marshmallow
Far too many Catholic bishops and those among the elite Catholic intelligentsia have been playing with Marxist Liberation Theology snake for decades. Now, they are surprised that the snake has bitten them?

Wintertime ( graduate of Villanova University)

24 posted on 01/23/2012 9:25:06 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: al_c
She has just proven herself to be completely out of communion with the Catholic Church. If her bishop does nothing about this, it’ll be a shame.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I didn't know Sebelius was Catholic. Gee!

25 posted on 01/23/2012 9:30:12 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: massgopguy

The only fix to the crisis being Obamacare...the faculty at Notre Dame should be aplogizing for their stupidity.


26 posted on 01/23/2012 9:55:19 AM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: marshmallow

Supreme Court of the United States — be forewarned.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 9:58:33 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Grunthor
What about other religions/denominations? Where were they then? Where are they now?

50 percent of Catholics (Catholics make up about 22 percent of the U.S. population.) approve of his presidency, down from 67 percent in his first six months in office.
DOWN 17 POINTS
 
among non-Catholic Christians, who make up 55 percent of the U.S. population, had fallen from 58 percent to 43 percent.
DOWN 15 POINTS
 
Mormon respondents, who represent about two percent of U.S. adults, fell from 43 percent to 26 percent
DOWN 17 POINTS
 
About 78 percent of Muslim respondents approved of the Obama presidency, down eight percentage points from when the question was first asked.  (86)
DOWN 8 POINTS
 
atheists, agnostics, and members of other non-Christian religions, who comprise about 13 percent of the U.S. population -- While about 75 percent of these respondents approved of President Obama at the start of his term, their approval declined to about 64 percent.
DOWN 11 POINTS
 
Jews were the religious group third likeliest to approve of President Obama, giving him 61 percent approval. This too is a decline: in January-June 2009, their approval rating of the president was 77 percent.
DOWN 16 POINTS
 
Overall, 48 percent of Americans approve of President Obama’s job, down from 63 percent in the first months of his presidency. Gallup claims that its survey of over 276,000 adults claims an overall margin of error of plus or minus one percent.
DOWN 15 POINTS


 
 
 
 

28 posted on 01/23/2012 10:02:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Grunthor
Obama won the overall religious vote, 52 percent to 46 percent, reversing President George W. Bush’s 51 percent to 48 percent “values voter” victory over Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry in 2004. Obama also won the Catholic vote, persuaded young evangelical voters to choose him and began to squeeze shut the so-called “God gap” yawning between religious Democrats and Republicans during the Bush era.

How will the roughly 9.1 million evangelical Christians who voted for Obama vote in the next election? Will Obama's actions compel the 31.2 million evangelicals who didn't vote in the 2008 election to vote next time?

Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent

29 posted on 01/23/2012 10:03:21 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Grunthor
Obama won the overall religious vote, 52 percent to 46 percent, reversing President George W. Bush’s 51 percent to 48 percent “values voter” victory over Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry in 2004. Obama also won the Catholic vote, persuaded young evangelical voters to choose him and began to squeeze shut the so-called “God gap” yawning between religious Democrats and Republicans during the Bush era.

How will the roughly 9.1 million evangelical Christians who voted for Obama vote in the next election? Will Obama's actions compel the 31.2 million evangelicals who didn't vote in the 2008 election to vote next time?

Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent

30 posted on 01/23/2012 10:03:45 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Grunthor
Catholics, who accounted for about a quarter of the electorate, supported Obama, at 54 percent, over McCain, at 45 percent.

Correction: People who self-identified as Catholics, who accounted for about a quarter of the electorate, supported Obama, at 54 percent, over McCain, at 45 percent, according to unscientific and highly unreliable exit polls.

31 posted on 01/23/2012 10:04:51 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: hlmencken3

ping


32 posted on 01/23/2012 10:11:45 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ansel12

Interesting claim that 9 million evangelical Christians voted for Obama...


33 posted on 01/23/2012 10:20:47 AM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: hlmencken3

Evangelicals are clearly the most conservative voters in America, but some percentage of them are naturally going to stray for some reason, but I can hardly find fault with our rock solid block of right wing voters, I only wish that others could come even close to their vote.

Seventy and eighty percent pro-life, conservative voting, is a goal that the rest of conservative Christians should fight to get their churches to equal, I’m sure that Evangelicals could use some help. It sure is better than being a Democrat voting block.


34 posted on 01/23/2012 10:34:15 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Correction Catholics who are so identified by the Pope and the official Catholic Church, voted 54% for Obama.


35 posted on 01/23/2012 10:41:52 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: al_c

Dittos! How do “Catholics” like Sebelius, Pelosi, the Kennedys, Kerry, et al. maintain their standing in the Roman Catholic Church? Why don’t the bishops, cardinals, or others in the heirarchy excommunicate them? I would think the Church would want to rid itself of these people who blatantly flaunt their distaste for what the Church teaches.


36 posted on 01/23/2012 10:48:11 AM PST by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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Correction Catholics who are so identified by the Pope and the official Catholic Church, voted 54% for Obama.

"The Pope and the official Catholic Church" don't spend their days "identifying" Catholics. They have better things to do. Neither does the Church keep a list of who is and who is not a Catholic nor does it issue a membership card which identifies the carrier as officially Catholic with the Pope's signature and valid stamp.

There's a good reason for that.

It's because being Catholic entails interior assent to certain beliefs and the living out of those beliefs on a daily basis. Obviously, that's something that God can very well keep track of but it's a little difficult for mere mortals.

Individual parishes keep historical records of who was baptized, who was married, who died etc, but you'll appreciate that this is not quite the same thing and it's not a job for "the Pope and the official Catholic Church". The office workers take care of it and says nothing about adherence to those tenets of faith which the Church professes.

37 posted on 01/23/2012 11:47:02 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

So the Vatican is not in any way a source for the number of Catholics?


38 posted on 01/23/2012 12:06:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: wintertime
She is also the daughter of Ohio Governor John Gilligan who crammed a first time state personal income tax down Ohio's throat in 1971.

According to Wikipedia, her Catholicism is at an end. Raymond Cardinal Burke, who is the Chief Justice of the Signatura (the Vatican's highest court) has publicly instructed Sebelius NOT to approach for receipt of the Holy Eucharist anywhere since she no longer qualifies as Catholic based upon her persistent public sin of support for baby-killing. It is not very likely that she will ever seek forgiveness and she will likely have to do so at the Vatican. Given that she was a close ally of the late Killer Tiller of Wichita, she has a LOT to repent!

39 posted on 01/23/2012 1:08:27 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: marshmallow

I didn’t read the full article, because I prefer not to give the Washington Post hits, but did the Washington Post actually run an article critical of Obama?


40 posted on 01/23/2012 1:22:58 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: ansel12
So the Vatican is not in any way a source for the number of Catholics?

The number of true Catholics? No.

The term "Catholic" is often used loosely in the media. The Vatican can tell you how many people attended Church on Sunday. It can tell you how many people have been baptized. It can tell you how many people checked the "Catholic" box in the national population census. That's what is usually meant by "Catholic" when statistics are discussed. It's based on self-identification or numbers of people who have had some form of contact with the Church.

What the Vatican can't tell you is how many people actually believe what the Church teaches.

And if one does not believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then one is not a Catholic.

There's nothing unique about that. If you believe in God, then you're not an atheist. If you don't believe in Marx's dogmas, you're not a communist. If you don't believe in Calvin's teachings, you're not a Calvinist. Irrespective of where you plant your posterior on a Sunday or any other day.

41 posted on 01/23/2012 1:27:17 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: ansel12; A.A. Cunningham
Correction Catholics who are so identified by the Pope and the official Catholic Church, voted 54% for Obama.

Unless you can show proof that the self-identified Catholics who respond to exit polls all present officially stamped memberships by the Pope and the Catholic Church, A.A. Cunningham's description is the only accurate one.

42 posted on 01/23/2012 1:40:50 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: ansel12
Evangelicals are clearly the most conservative voters in America

Mormons seem to have a lower approval rating of Obama. You should become one if you value the voting patterns of self-identified religious groups so much.

43 posted on 01/23/2012 1:47:27 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: marshmallow

I can see how pride and chauvinism blocks we conservatives from being able to enlist even Catholic conservatives in our fight against liberalism.

I think you just said that yes, they are Catholics, and the Pope and the Vatican labels them as such, counts them as such. That is why we have a voter category called Catholic, not super Catholic, or only Catholics approved by John the internet guy, or whatever it takes to eliminate the possibility of measuring the Catholic vote in elections.

Identity pride can trump conservative politics even at conservative political sites evidently.


44 posted on 01/23/2012 1:47:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: WPaCon; ansel12; A.A. Cunningham; marshmallow
officially stamped memberships by the Pope and the Catholic Church

What???

Wait ....

I don't have an officially stamped membership ...

OH NOES!!!!!

Does this mean I'm not really Catholic???

45 posted on 01/23/2012 1:53:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ansel12
I think you just said that yes, they are Catholics, and the Pope and the Vatican labels them as such, counts them as such.

You think so? Then let me see if I can make it clear.

It's really simple. See if you can grasp this.

Belief is important.

If it isn't, then anybody can be labeled anything.

What am I missing?

46 posted on 01/23/2012 1:54:01 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: WPaCon

You are anti-Christian, trying to convert people to Mormonism?

You don’t do politics, track voting patterns, groups, inroads into the Hispanic vote, or the Catholic vote, or which candidate may hurt us with the Evangelical vote, or the female vote, or who may hurt us down ticket, will we get the military vote, etc?

Why would you be at freerepublic if those areas don’t interest you.


47 posted on 01/23/2012 1:57:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: marshmallow

So the Pope, and the Vatican do not count those people as Catholics?

Those “non-Catholics” are removed when the Pope or the Vatican offers numbers for the Catholic population?


48 posted on 01/23/2012 2:06:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
You are anti-Christian, trying to convert people to Mormonism?

No. You're smart enough to realize I was making the point that religions are not to be judged by the voting patterns of their self-identified members.

You don’t do politics, track voting patterns, groups, inroads into the Hispanic vote, or the Catholic vote, or which candidate may hurt us with the Evangelical vote, or the female vote, or who may hurt us down ticket, will we get the military vote, etc?

Yes. I'm also smart enough to realize that you often try to present the data in ways that make Catholics look as bad as possible. Look, you're not one of the unhinged and crazy anti-Catholics. But even though your anti-Catholicism is subtler than theirs, it doesn't mean it's still not obvious.

49 posted on 01/23/2012 2:07:27 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: ArrogantBustard

Evidently no one is certain what is a Catholic.

The world has vastly overstated the number of Catholics. America evidently has a much tinier Catholic population than is reported.


50 posted on 01/23/2012 2:12:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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