Something like this?
Posted on 01/25/2012 10:45:09 AM PST by Teófilo
No, it wouldn’t imply that there is no God. It would imply that what we believe about God, may be incorrect.
How is it that you know so much about God and time? Is it because you are saved?
ok thanks
Used a forerunner of the SATs; score below 350, and you had to repeat 4th level angel school!!!
InteInteresting read.
Is the author saying that the irrevocability of the angels’ decision whether or not to serve is an open question? That’s news to me. Or that it was an open question in medieval times?
In scripture, the angels seem to be clearly divided between good and evil, with no going back and forth.
Anyone have Ludwig Ott’s book on Catholic dogma, who can look this up? I lost my copy.
I don't think so. In God, His attributes ARE His essence. Sartre perceived that and took his argument to the ultimate consequences: if we're truly free, there's no God - Sartre thought.
How is it that you know so much about God and time? Is it because you are saved?
I am saved, I'm being saved, and I hope to be saved.
Though good knowledge has good ends - and in my individual case, a purpose - what is truly important is humble obedience to the King. All other goods attain their proper place once our love for the King is realized in the present moment.
-Theo
—Why would an all knowing being need to test anything—
The article addresses the question at length. The following is a sample:
God tests our faith sometimes for our good and the good of others. The test makes our faith real and personal. Love is not truly love until it has been tested in fire. Faith is not really faith until it has been tested as well. The test purifies our faith of selfishness and pride; it deepens our radical trust in His goodness and divine providence. The test prepares us for other crosses that we will face down the road in our roles as believer, parent, priest/consecrated or lay leader…
Sartre was just a man like anyone else.
thanks
A plus B except there is no A which is to say this is speculation without evidence or value.
I disagree. Thanks
InteInteresting read. Is the author saying that the irrevocability of the angels’ decision whether or not to serve is an open question?
Fr. Suárez's indirect quote via the Catholic Encyclopedia, and Fr. Fortea's explicit affirmation is that, during the testing period, angels could go back and forth in their decision to serve or not to serve God. Hence "the war in heaven". However, once the testing period ("the war") ended, the angels were locked into their decisions for, or against God. Changing their minds once impossible once the good angels were admitted to the Beatific Vision and the demons were abandoned to their choice.
-Theo
— I never found an application for the discussion of how many angels dance on the head of a pin but maybe others have..............—
The Scholastics never entertained this question. It’s an old Protestant, anti-Scholastic canard.
That would be an argument similar to the one espoused by the Saduccees who believed neither in angels nor in demons therefore, no complications. Then again, they limited God's revelation solely to the Pentateuch.
The lesson here is that your equation would be true if you limit your data range to a finite set, arbitrarily delimited, but one you feel comfortable with.
At that point I just say: "To each its own."
-Theo
—If you don’t understand it, then how do you know that what is revealed to you, is accurate—
On authority, like when we accept the authority of human experts. The analogy is imperfect because human authority is fallible, unlike divine authority.
The very question, “How did God test the angels?” assumes that God DID test the angels upon no evidence at all. Reminds one of the Talmudic scholars trying to decide how large the skirt of a Jew must be to allow the men to take hold of it.
Did God know what angels would fall? Did God know that the lead angel would be cast down to the earth? Did God know that the angel would tempt man and man would fail ?
Does one need to give a “test” when you already know who will pass and who will fail?
Why??
—to hear his answers—
Why do you want to hear his answers?
How do you know the authority is really what you believe it to be?
I think it’s called faith, not knowledge...unless of course, your faith is your knowledge, then anyones faith would be knowledge. Can’t prove it, can’t disprove it.
—How do you know the authority is really what you believe it to be?—
Because Jesus has proven in history that He is who He claimed to be.
How do you know what can’t be known?
Because it’s one of the things I enjoy doing on FR.
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