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Robyn Blumner: Romney's 'Mormon question' should have more to do with LDS church's past racism
South Florida Sun-Sentinel ^ | Jan. 27, 2012 | Robyn Blumner

Posted on 01/27/2012 6:32:11 PM PST by Colofornian

There is an element of the Mormon faith that hasn't gotten a lot of attention, but if Romney is the nominee, it will....the relatively recent racism of the Church...which practiced exclusion and contempt for African-Americans...and has yet to fully repudiate it.

It wasn't until 1978 that the LDS church allowed African-American males into the priesthood -- an essential post that nearly all...males attain. Mormon men don't get to be god of their own planet without it. Yet Romney, as a Mormon missionary...tried to convert others into a faith that practiced overt racism...He was 31 years old before blacks were allowed to be full Mormons, old enough to reject a faith that acted like a pernicious, discriminatory private club.

The church's racial exclusion stems from Brigham Young...He preached, "You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind," according to the Mormon "Journal of Discourses..."

Young, who is revered in the church to this day, claimed that the black race was cursed, noting that "the flat nose and black skin" are the marks of Cain, a...belief that blacks are descendants of the...son of Adam who killed his brother.

Of course racism was more widespread and publicly acceptable back then...

...Romney dodges the question when asked if the LDS church had it wrong before 1978.

He must not think it did...Romney's 2007 speech... categorically said that he would not "disavow" any Mormon precepts, proclaiming that the "faith of my fathers" is his own.

...Romney...chose his religion over standing for racial equality and justice. He refuses to apologize for it or suggest his church was once wrong...this supplication ...makes the Mormon question a legitimate one.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mittromney; mormon; racism
This is the finest MSM article I've seen on this topic. Researched well. Nuanced well. Carefully chosen distinctive words.

This journalist did well on this assignment.

From the Jan. 27, 2012 excerpted article: It wasn't until 1978 that the LDS church allowed African-American males into the priesthood -- an essential post that nearly all...males attain. Mormon men don't get to be god of their own planet without it. Yet Romney, as a Mormon missionary...tried to convert others into a faith that practiced overt racism...He was 31 years old before blacks were allowed to be full Mormons, old enough to reject a faith that acted like a pernicious, discriminatory private club...Romney...chose his religion over standing for racial equality and justice. He refuses to apologize for it or suggest his church was once wrong....this supplication...makes the Mormon question a legitimate one.

Why...it almost makes me wonder if MSM journalists are reading FR threads on Romney, after all...

Colofornian, Jan. 16, 2012 on a FREEP thread: Up through early June of 1978, blacks could not...hold priesthood privileges in the Mormon church...something they gave to even 12 yo white boys... Spencer W. Kimball, the Lds "prophet" who made the ultimate call to change its policy in June, 1978, realized they had a major problem in placing a temple in a mission field like Brazil. So the Mormon "prophet" changed almost 150 years' worth of Mormon racist policy on all this...(Ya gotta remember the Mormon church has been OFFICIALLY & OVERTLY racist for over 80% of its history!) At the time this occurred, Mitt Romney was 31 years of age...and yet we don't ever hear if Mitt had any "on the record" objections to these racist policies from Mitt's adult years...from 1965-1978. Why not?...By Nov 1, 2012, if Mitt is nominated, EVERY GOP voter will be linked, associated, tied to, etc. Romney's overt racism...being openly ridiculed as THE party that picked the "good ole boy" country club "whites only" member as THEIR pick to represent them.
Link: Mitt-at-age-31-still-no-public-objections-to-open-Lds-racist-policy

1 posted on 01/27/2012 6:32:16 PM PST by Colofornian
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From the excerpted article: The church's racial exclusion stems from Brigham Young...He preached, "You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind," according to the Mormon "Journal of Discourses..." Young, who is revered in the church to this day, claimed that the black race was cursed, noting that "the flat nose and black skin" are the marks of Cain, a...belief that blacks are descendants of the...son of Adam who killed his brother.

Yes, I'm sure you can find some 19th century Baptist leaders somewhere uttering something similar to this day...but Evangelicals...

(a) Didn't ever consider them to be "prophets" whose words were as good as "scripture" -- as is the case re: the relationship 'tween Lds & Brigham Young;

(b) Nor, too, we didn't "honor" such racism by naming our prestigious universities after such a racist...or spend up to hundreds of $millions collectively in THIS generation ensuring our sons & daughters go to such campuses (BYU-Provo; BYU-Idaho; BYU-Hawaii) so "honored" after a devout racist.

2 posted on 01/27/2012 6:34:12 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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3 posted on 01/27/2012 6:34:20 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Colofornian

THIS is why the Kenyan wants to run against Milt. The commie messiah would be in race card player’s heaven.


4 posted on 01/27/2012 6:35:39 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! Your President's DOJ is taking the Fifth Amendment! How do you feel about that?)
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To: Colofornian

I like the magic underwear angle. Short, sweet and funny.


5 posted on 01/27/2012 6:37:06 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Colofornian

Also, Mittens is backed by the GOP Proud crowd because he has his own unmentioned reasons for wanting to demolish the meaning of traditional marriage.


6 posted on 01/27/2012 6:39:37 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Colofornian

Exactly. As I wrote in my piece this afternoon titled

“Romney Pledges to be “True to his Faith” as President - Just what might that entail?”
http://www.tableofwisdom.com

“Newly produced documentaries will be airing all over the liberal controlled media, highlighting the controversies – but they will not come directly from the campaign. Romney understands that tactic but this time it won’t just be PACs; it will be The History Channel, Discovery Channel, 60 minutes…”


7 posted on 01/27/2012 6:40:29 PM PST by publius321
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To: Colofornian

Gee whiz... go take a digital photo of the LDS temple... What are they honoring ....the grain offering what did God want ??? the blood sacrifice.... what/what is out of gear?


8 posted on 01/27/2012 6:40:29 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; All
THIS is why the Kenyan wants to run against Milt. The commie messiah would be in race card player’s heaven.

Yup. Milt becomes then "Milt-the-Wilt"

And Milt is not just the "White House fave," but is the "white and delightsome" MSM fave as well.

Then they get to make the rest of 2012 a full referendum vs. racism. All economic issues will get swept aside to talk about race. All social issues will be swept aside to talk about race.

And this is what the Establishment Republicans pied pipers want?

Note...that in a PC multi-cultural, all-religions-are-semi-equal environment, that the MSM doesn't have too many legs to stand on re: "The Mormon 'Question'." Yet this journalist nails it: Racism is a "fair game" matter to bring up even among the multi-culturists. In fact, it's not just an "even" question -- but one that is especially relevant.

9 posted on 01/27/2012 6:43:27 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: Colofornian

Obama is salivating over the possibility of slapping the racist Romney around...


10 posted on 01/27/2012 6:43:33 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Romney will never be able to answer questions about mormonISM truthfully. He must protect the “secrecy”.


11 posted on 01/27/2012 6:44:42 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Colofornian
... Romney dodges the question when asked if the LDS church had it wrong before 1978.

White and delightsome Bishop Mittens also has no choice but dodge the question of whether the LDS Church has it wrong after 1978. Sacred Mormon scripture and holy prophetic pronouncements are still loaded with dozens of examples of hideous racism. The entire bunch is extremely vulnerable on the issue ... and rightfully so!

12 posted on 01/27/2012 6:48:16 PM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: All

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“The church’s racial exclusion stems from Brigham Young...He preached, “You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind,” according to the Mormon “Journal of Discourses...”

You think the rats won’t take that and run with it?
They’ll pull the race card and tear him apart!

‘Every male god of his own planet???’

I’m not so sure I’d trust the judgement of a POTUS who believed such far out things.

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13 posted on 01/27/2012 6:48:20 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!Ho)
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To: Colofornian

Yes

Romney would cause us to lose most of our possible down ticket wins...

He would stink up the chances of the GOP senate and house candidates...


14 posted on 01/27/2012 6:48:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: patriot08; Zakeet; All
Sacred Mormon scripture and holy prophetic pronouncements are still loaded with dozens of examples of hideous racism. The entire bunch is extremely vulnerable on the issue ... and rightfully so! [Zakeet post #12]

‘Every male god of his own planet???’ I’m not so sure I’d trust the judgement of a POTUS who believed such far out things. [Patriot08]

Yup. Not only are there STILL...
...skin-based racist Book of Mormon verses highlighting the phrase "WHITE and delightsome"...
...but the WHITE House...
...is but a stepping stone to Mitt's awaiting Great WHITE throne...
...to run & rule his own planet as a divine peer of God!

Imagine that. GOP voters actually -- and others seriously considering voting for somebody who could say to God, "move over, I'm here, your Peer."

We need a cartoon with Mitt putting out his "Divine Placard" that says, "Worship. Praise. Adoration. Glory. Prayer. All now accepted here."

15 posted on 01/27/2012 6:55:31 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
THIS is why the Kenyan wants to run against Milt. The commie messiah would be in race card player’s heaven.

Amen, brother.

16 posted on 01/27/2012 6:55:33 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It could be the campaign of the ages; the “messiah” vs “the god in embryo”. Sort of a modern day clash of the titans.

Wait till the MSM gets to the doctrine of the man calling his wife from the grave at the resurrection, that is if he is pleased with her and wants to. That should get him the female vote.


17 posted on 01/27/2012 7:14:44 PM PST by chickenlips (Mitt Romney, Obama's ticket to term 2)
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To: chickenlips; All
It could be the campaign of the ages; the “messiah” vs “the god in embryo”. Sort of a modern day clash of the titans.

Yes. And, of course, the "birther" question will be re-raised as well. And, no, not just with Obama.

You see, Mitt claims he was actually "spirit-born" on another planet.

Then, as this alien spirit, he was sent to this planet to inhabit a body.

ALL: Do you really have to imagine the MSM "loving" the Scientology-like sci-fi script they're already writing???

And are spirits born on other planets actually eligible to become POTUSes of the United States on Planet Earth? [That will be the new controversy stirred up by a few]

Obama won't have to say a thing.

'Tween the MSM, other sources, and some SuperPAC ads, duck! ('Cause EVERY GOP registered voter will be associated with Mitt-the-alien if he gets the nomination)

18 posted on 01/27/2012 7:28:54 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: chickenlips; All
Wait till the MSM gets to the doctrine of the man calling his wife from the grave at the resurrection, that is if he is pleased with her and wants to. That should get him the female vote.

Book of Mormon Jeopardy on Women

Time to hit the Jeopardy category of “Women in the Book of Mormon.” (For those who don't know "Jeopardy," the answer comes first)
Answer: 2%
Question: What % of the 250 or so characters in the Book of Mormon are female?

Answer: Once
Question: How many times are “sisters” even referenced in the Book of Mormon? [The only reference I've found is 2 Nephi 5:6 – and even then these sisters of Nephi are unnumbered & unnamed]

Answer: Sarai
Question: Who's the only wife mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Answer: Abish
Question: Who's the only daughter mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Answer: Don't Exist
Question: Who are sisters mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Now that we know the BoM marginalizes women, how can we tell if it trivializes women, too?

(1) Leading off the lineup of Mormon women, we have the unnamed daughter of Jared (Ether 8:8-12). What goes through her brain? Why she wants to dance before a man so that she'll seduce him into marrying him; then this household can properly commit patricide. Nice.

(2) There's an unnamed Lamanite queen in Alma 47:35. She's easy to defraud.

(3) There's another unnamed Lamanite queen in Alma 22:19-24. Let's see. This queen sees Aaron & servants @ foot of a dead king's bed. She jumps to wrongful conclusions. Then in all her decisiveness, she's going to massacre them for guilt-by-association. Then she started to back down from her heavy-handed executive authority. Why? Not because of justice, but because of fear – her servants were fearful. So she was, too (v. 21). Aaron, seeing that this woman was no match for kingdom authority, elected, instead to do the “easy thing.” And what was the easy thing in comparison to trying to deal with this queen? Why, he raised the king back from the dead (vv. 22-23).

(4) And since the book of Alma in the Book of Mormon seems to carry the predominant mention of women on behalf of the entire book, how do the earlier chapters introduce such women?
Here, read it yourself:
“And now, may the peace of God rest upon you, and upon your houses and lands, and upon your flocks and herds, and [“and” = covering things you haven't yet covered...so what you seen the next line applies to what follows -- not what was preceding]
and all that you POSSESS, your women and your children,
according to your faith and good works,
from this time forth AND FOREVER
And thus I have spoken. Amen. (Alma 7:27)

(Well, last time I looked, forever meant forever...meaning women are forever...possess[ions] per the Book of Mormon.

Other than that, when women are mentioned in the Book of Mormon, they are good for toiling, spinning, working (Mosiah 10:5; Hel. 6:13) and having kids (1 Nephi 17:1), which the prestigious clans of the Book of Mormon were good at having by gobs of millions...supposedly.

And even when we get to the grandest of stories about women yanked out of the Bible, even Joseph can't get it quite exact. He references an unnamed virgin in 1 Nephi 11:18 -- who Smith identified as "the mother of God." Now the Roman Catholics among us might say, "So?"

But doesn't a POTUS candidate who embraces a "female-is-best-out-of-sight" "sacred" book -- the Book of Mormon -- just inspire the 98% of non-Mormon women in America out there to go vote for him?

Why...he might even appoint a few females as administrative assistants for his Cabinet members! (We already know he won't appoint Muslims...why how religious-expression progressive that is!)

19 posted on 01/27/2012 7:33:54 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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I hope I don’t end up on Johnny Miller’s planet.


20 posted on 01/27/2012 7:56:14 PM PST by Peter ODonnell
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To: Peter ODonnell
I hope I don’t end up on Johnny Miller’s planet.

What, you don't like golf???

21 posted on 01/27/2012 8:37:58 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Colofornian
Come on, black folks can still be janitors & shoe shine boys in Mormon heaven, whaddaya want?

I shined shoes for years at a shoe shop and it's not that bad once people stop with the smartazz remarks about a white kid doing "nig*** work". One thing though, Mormons are lousy tippers, to a man. I don't know about Mormon women, they didn't climb up on the shine stand for a shoe shine except for on very non-Mormon woman who . . . Never mind, but black folks do have a place in Mormon heaven now, so what's the deal?

22 posted on 01/28/2012 12:16:48 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: cloudmountain
I hope I don’t end up on Johnny Miller’s planet.

"What, you don't like golf??? "

Well there you go, caddies and chauffeurs, all kinds of jobs for black folks in heaven when you think about it.

And the Mormons like American Indians so much they dressed up like them from time to time. So, again, what's the problem?

Redcaps at the airport
Cabbies
Lawn care engineers
Sanitation specialists
Sinigers
Dancers

Were the 1920s that bad? Yeah, there's lots of room for black folks in the Mormon view.

23 posted on 01/28/2012 12:24:07 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Colofornian
...Romney dodges the question when asked if the LDS church had it wrong before 1978.





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 

24 posted on 01/28/2012 4:58:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SaraJohnson
Short, sweet and funny.

Two outta three ain't bad...


 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 




 
 






 
 
 
Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

       Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
       Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 

25 posted on 01/28/2012 5:00:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: publius321
How long will it take before someone asks Romney, “do you believe you will become a god?”

Or to POST the 'scripture' behind the question???


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


26 posted on 01/28/2012 5:02:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: publius321
Now a bunch of you are sitting at your terminal, reading this thread and asking yourself,
 
"What is THAT stuff ELSIE just posted??
It's not like any scripture I've read in the BoM those nice young men asked me to read and pray about!"
 
 
 
 
(You would be really hard pressed to find the FULLNESS that SLC claims.)
 
 
 
 
You see folks, the VAST majority of MORMON doctrine is NOT found in the Book of MORMON,
but in OTHER 'revelations' that were spoken into the LDS' Living Prophet's ear.
 
Have you ever wondered why you are not prompted to read and pray about THOSE?
 
 
 

27 posted on 01/28/2012 5:10:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ptsal
Gee whiz... go take a digital photo of the LDS temple... What are they honoring ....the grain offering what did God want ??? the blood sacrifice.... what/what is out of gear?

Fantasy Land indeed!

Orlando
San Deigo

28 posted on 01/28/2012 5:11:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
WHITE Horse Prophecy

WHITE Salamander

29 posted on 01/28/2012 5:12:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
(For those who don't know "Jeopardy," the answer comes first)

HMMMmmm...

Just HOW was this trivia tidbit REVEALED to you?


30 posted on 01/28/2012 5:17:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Rashputin
Well there you go, caddies and chauffeurs, all kinds of jobs for black folks in heaven when you think about it. And the Mormons like American Indians so much they dressed up like them from time to time. So, again, what's the problem? Redcaps at the airport Cabbies Lawn care engineers Sanitation specialists Sinigers Dancers Were the 1920s that bad? Yeah, there's lots of room for black folks in the Mormon view.

Humor.
Golf would be GOOD for you. It would teach you to laugh....at yourself. I'm laughing at you because your response was so absurd as to be amusing. I find the absurd amusing on occasion.

31 posted on 01/29/2012 7:35:37 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
Stand up comics, there you go, another Mormon approved role for black folks.

It just shows how many little niches the Mormon folk were ready and waiting to have black folks fill once the got they stopped teaching that all black folks were but were in fact the perfect people to fill a great many roles on all those new planets all those new gods were going to be taking care of.

And you know, humor is an especially important role to have well taken care of when all those Mommy Mormons are going to be pumping out spirit babies so often. There's no one who needs a bit of humor more than Mommy Mormon does when her feet are swollen and won't fit into her favorite shoes, her tummy is swollen up to the size of a large watermelon, and she's crying because spirit daddy doesn't spend enough time with her now that he's god of his own planet.

Good point, black folks can be comedians in the Mormon New World and not just singers or dancers.

32 posted on 01/29/2012 12:21:45 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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