Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Confirmed: Romney family had Ann Romney's atheist father posthumously baptized into the Mormon...
Business Insider.com ^ | Jan. 27, 2012 | Jordan Teicher

Posted on 01/27/2012 8:11:10 PM PST by Colofornian

After wondering aloud yesterday whether the Romneys converted Mitt's dead father-in-law to Mormonism...Yes. They did.

Edward Davies, Ann Romney's father, was an atheist who was also strongly anti-religion. By the time he died, he was the only member of Ann Romney's immediate family to not convert to Mormonism.

Fourteen months later, in 1993, he was baptized in a special ceremony at a Salt Lake City church. This practice requires a living person who has already been baptized to undergo the immersion in water again on behalf of the dead. No word on who this person might have been in Davies' case.

Information on the ceremony was listed on a genealogical database, and another entry on Ancestry.com detailed a separate sealing ceremony that linked Davies to his wife in death...

Baptism of the dead is encouraged by the Church of Latter-day Saints, as it is seen as essential to salvation. But the LDS Church has been criticized for it often. After coming under fire in 1995, the Church agreed to stop baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims posthumously. It had already added tens of thousands to its baptism registry by that time.

Romney's faith has done little to damage his quest for the presidency so far. But the issue pops up once in a while, most recently after Romney's tax returns showed a $4.1 million donation to the Church. There's also evidence to suggest that anti-Mormon sentiment could have given votes to Newt Gingrich in South Carolina.

When Newsweek asked Romney whether he had performed any proxy baptisms in the past, Romney responded "I have in my life, but I haven't recently."

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: backstabberromney; bodysnatchers; davies; lds; lies4romney; mittromney; mormon; nolaws4romney; norules4romney; pleaselie4romney; romney2bking; romneytheliar; spoilerromney
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-168 next last
From the article: After wondering aloud yesterday whether the Romneys converted Mitt's dead father-in-law to Mormonism...Yes. They did. Edward Davies, Ann Romney's father, was an atheist who was also strongly anti-religion. By the time he died, he was the only member of Ann Romney's immediate family to not convert to Mormonism. Fourteen months later, in 1993, he was baptized in a special ceremony at a Salt Lake City church. This practice requires a living person who has already been baptized to undergo the immersion in water again on behalf of the dead. No word on who this person might have been in Davies' case. Information on the ceremony was listed on a genealogical database, and another entry on Ancestry.com detailed a separate sealing ceremony that linked Davies to his wife in death...
1 posted on 01/27/2012 8:11:14 PM PST by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

John the Baptist baptized with water and foretold of Christ baptizing with the Holy Spirit.

This whole thing doesn’t make any sense to me at all. There is no spirit to be baptized in a dead corpse.


2 posted on 01/27/2012 8:14:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
Ann Romney's atheist father: Edward Roderick Davies
* Edward Davies Familysearch.org entry
* Edward Davies ancestry.com entry

It's this last entry that shows:

Death: 8 SEP 1992 in Stuart, Martin, Florida
Burial: White Chapel Cem, Troy, Oakland, Michigan
LDS Baptism: 19 NOV 1993 Temple: SLAKE
Endowment: 19 NOV 1993 Temple: SLAKE

Then they "sealed" him to her wife posthumously so they could live forever together:

...Sealing Spouse: 10 JUN 1994 in ATLAN

3 posted on 01/27/2012 8:16:02 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

Note: Reason that headline doesn’t match article is that not enough FR characters allotted...so original headline is:

CONFIRMED: Romney Family Had Ann Romney’s Atheist Father Posthumously Baptized Into The Mormon Church


4 posted on 01/27/2012 8:19:32 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Oh, but I’m sure the MSM won’t bring up this story in the general election if Romney gets the nomination!

/sarc


5 posted on 01/27/2012 8:19:32 PM PST by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

That is the kind of thing that could haunt a candidate, something as insane as that


6 posted on 01/27/2012 8:21:42 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Should be no surprise, this is the teaching so the Mormon Church.


7 posted on 01/27/2012 8:22:10 PM PST by Fred (No Job No Home No Food No Problem - Obama 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

I’m pretty sure Mormons do this for everybody.


8 posted on 01/27/2012 8:22:59 PM PST by Shadow44
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

So? My cousin “baptized” my late uncle and her father, into Mormonism over three decades ago. Only the idiots of the family got mad about it.

It is an attempt for the living to offer the dead the opportunity to salvation as a Mormon. It offers hope for the living that their deceased relatives will be able to enter Heaven as a baptized Morman - nothing more.

Got a problem with it? Are you one of my idiot relatives?


9 posted on 01/27/2012 8:24:16 PM PST by macquire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
After coming under fire in 1995, the Church agreed to stop baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims posthumously. It had already added tens of thousands to its baptism registry by that time.

Mark my words, the Democrats will use this to try to keep Jews on the reservation in the general election by distracting from Obama's hostility to Israel. Anyone who thinks it's going to be hands off the Mormon stuff in the general election is smoking some very highly concentrated junk.

10 posted on 01/27/2012 8:24:55 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

Put it where the sun doesn’t shine.


11 posted on 01/27/2012 8:25:28 PM PST by macquire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Who do I contact to baptize my dead cat brother?


12 posted on 01/27/2012 8:26:00 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

“insane as that”?

Perhaps that should go where the sun doesn’t shine on you.


13 posted on 01/27/2012 8:27:04 PM PST by macquire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Crazier than Scientology!


14 posted on 01/27/2012 8:27:59 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
OK, this is from a Wikipedia article, so you make the call:

Vicarious baptism of Barack Obama's mother

In May 2009, it was discovered that President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, "who died in 1995, was baptized posthumously into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day [sic] Saints last year during her son's campaign. ... It is not yet clear whether Obama is troubled by the practice. The White House declined to comment Tuesday [May 5, 2009]."[52] The June 4, 2008 baptism was performed in the Provo Utah Temple, and a week later the ritual of endowment was performed on behalf of Dunham. LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter confirmed that someone did perform a proxy baptism for Dunham, but said it was "counter to [LDS] Church policy for a church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related."[52]

15 posted on 01/27/2012 8:31:21 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: macquire

This madness couple with the fact that Mitt Romney wears what he thinks of as magic clothing, will make the man look insane once the media starts on him, and the fact that he was a Bishop inside of this madness, will stun voters.


16 posted on 01/27/2012 8:34:40 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Baptism for the dead or proxy baptism is the religious practice of baptizing a living person on behalf of one who is dead, with the living person acting as the deceased person’s proxy.

Those who practice this rite view baptism as an indispensable requirement to enter the Kingdom of God, and thus practice Baptism for the Dead to give those who have died without ever having had the opportunity to receive baptism the opportunity to receive it by proxy if they wish.

GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT?


17 posted on 01/27/2012 8:39:43 PM PST by macquire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Revolting cat!

He might be related to my two cats. I’ll dunk them in the bathtub for your brother just to be on the safe side.

As an added bonus, after being baptized into Mormonism, my cats will never go near the bathroom again.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 8:39:43 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Comment #19 Removed by Moderator

To: All
Here's the link to the original article in The Salt Lake Tribune from 5/5/09
20 posted on 01/27/2012 8:41:51 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

The LDS church operates thousands of Family History Centers, as well as an excellent free website, for the purpose of finding records to identify your ancestors. They are used by Mormons to identify deceased non-Mormon ancestors for baptism. Non-Mormons are welcome to use these services, without any pressure to convert to Mormonism. Any genealogy buffs are familiar with (and grateful for) these services.


21 posted on 01/27/2012 8:41:51 PM PST by nbenyo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VikingMom

Anyone else think it would be an absolute hoot to drop a jar of Folger’s crystals into the baptismal tank at the local Mormon church/Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts clinic (I hear they’re finally going to officially merge once Romney moves into the White House)?


22 posted on 01/27/2012 8:44:04 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian; colorcountry; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; Graybeard58; greyfoxx39; humblegunner; ...

Retread?

23 posted on 01/27/2012 8:48:29 PM PST by delacoert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Does not matter what the Mormon Mit and his cultists did, Ann Romney’s father is still in Hell because he rejected the Lord Jesus Christ in this life: John 3:16 - 18; 1 John 5:10 - 12.


24 posted on 01/27/2012 8:51:36 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: macquire

Oh how sad for you that you are from a family of idiots when you are just a moron.
Baptism for the dead is unBiblical.


25 posted on 01/27/2012 8:54:41 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: macquire

Yes. I do. Mormonism is insane.

I’m surprised, when Gingrich mentioned a lunar colony, that Romney didn’t jump at the chance to finally explore for himself whether or not there really are 1,000 year-old Quakers living on the moon.

Romney honestly believes he is going to be a god, just like God in heaven, having celestial sex with Ann for eternity and fathering spirit babies who will populate his own personal planet of people who will worship him. And people have the gall to claim Gingrich is the narcisistic one!

Most people, if you walked up out of the blue and told them that, would conclude that the you had a severe form of delusional psychosis. But you put him in a $3,000 suit and somehow it becomes okay. And this guy wants to run our government. No thanks.


26 posted on 01/27/2012 8:55:42 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: macquire
Got a problem with it? Are you one of my idiot relatives?

It would be nice if there were an opportunity to change your mind in hell, but the Bible gives no indication that this will be possible. Hebrews 9:27 says we are all "destined to die once, and after that to face judgment."

Another passage that seems to shut the door to a "second chance" is a parable Jesus told in Luke 16:19-31. The parable was about a rich man who died and went to hell. In his agony, the rich man looked up to heaven and cried out for mercy. In response to his cries, the man was told a chasm separated heaven and hell—a chasm that could never be crossed.

As hard as it is to hear, eternal separation from God is the punishment for people who don't accept Christ as Lord and Savior. But please understand that it's not God's desire for anyone to spend eternity in hell. As it says in 2 Peter 3:9, "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/advice/goodadvice/24.14.html

27 posted on 01/27/2012 8:56:11 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: macquire

Kid how can some old guy who died when he was 90 be said to “have died without ever having had the opportunity to receive baptism” ???

Thats 90 years of opportunity...

Didya ever think that just maybe he wasnt interested ???


28 posted on 01/27/2012 8:56:11 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
After wondering aloud yesterday whether the Romneys converted Mitt's dead father-in-law to Mormonism

Well, no. You can't convert a dead guy. Sorry.

29 posted on 01/27/2012 8:56:11 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nbenyo

Two things that really bug me about their service is so much of the information is incorrect and unless you are mormon you can’t get them to correct it
And they list Jesus Christ as having three wives or one wife or two wives depending on the entry.


30 posted on 01/27/2012 8:58:06 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo; macquire
Yes. I do. Mormonism is insane. I’m surprised, when Gingrich mentioned a lunar colony, that Romney didn’t jump at the chance to finally explore for himself whether or not there really are 1,000 year-old Quakers living on the moon. Romney honestly believes he is going to be a god, just like God in heaven, having celestial sex with Ann for eternity and fathering spirit babies who will populate his own personal planet of people who will worship him. And people have the gall to claim Gingrich is the narcisistic one! Most people, if you walked up out of the blue and told them that, would conclude that the you had a severe form of delusional psychosis. But you put him in a $3,000 suit and somehow it becomes okay. And this guy wants to run our government. No thanks.

Exactly and well-put.

Inject Romney's Mormonistic worldviews -- minus the title "Mormonism" -- into any other candidate and that candidate is world-renowned as the "lunatic."

Slap the "Mormonism" title on it and it all gets waved a pass by most.

31 posted on 01/27/2012 8:58:30 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

To save money on the moon colony maybe President Gingrich could just hire these moon Quakers.


32 posted on 01/27/2012 8:59:55 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: svcw

LOL! FR post of the day.


33 posted on 01/27/2012 9:00:58 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: VikingMom

Huffington Puffington had a story about this practice 2 days ago and how the baptisms of Jews who died in the Holocaust might not sit well with Florida voters.

Amazingly both Anne Frank and Adolph Hitler are among the individuals who have purportedly received proxy baptisms in the LDS Church.


34 posted on 01/27/2012 9:06:24 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

This man died an athiest and did not repent. He denied God his entire life so what makes these people believe that God knew him when he died? Denial of God or His Son is MORTAL.

You have to be alive and willing to accept God and his Son Jesus Christ. There has to be repentance on behalf of the sinner, not a proxy. Only the living can be baptized. What good is it after the soul has already been judged.


35 posted on 01/27/2012 9:07:58 PM PST by mardi59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #36 Removed by Moderator

To: Shadow44; nbenyo; Fred; macquire; All
I’m pretty sure Mormons do this for everybody.

NO they don't.

The article even points out how Mormonism's dead-dunking of Jewish holocaust victims gave them a repeated drubbing both in the news media at-large as well as among holocaust victims' families and the Jewish community at-large.

Mormon leaders agreed to stop doing that.

Now here's the BILLION-$ question NOBODY -- and I mean NOBODY -- has been asking:

IF...
...baptizing dead people is indeed "salvific" for their souls -- as poster Macquire said in post #17: ("Those who practice this rite view baptism as an indispensable requirement to enter the Kingdom of God...")...
...and SINCE...
...the Mormon church is now steadfastly refusing to baptize Jewish holocaust victims [+ there may be a reluctance to dead-dunk Jewish deceased people in general]...
...THEN...
...please tell us...
...what's the difference between the Mormon policy that kept blacks out of their priesthood in 1978...
...and the Mormon policy that keeps Jews (at least some Jews) out of their temple baptism pools (by proxy)???

Aren't both examples of utter Mormon racism?

If Mormon baptism for the dead was in any way, shape or form efficacious for the benefactors, shouldn't that trump Mormon PRism????

Bottom-line: When Mormon PRism -- in all practicality -- winds up trumping Mormon theology...
...When you know that Mormon leaders can toss its theology -- and the literal supposed "salvation" of so many -- right out the window...
...So much for that theology being of ANY value whatsoever!!!

(It's either that or the Mormon gods openly discriminate vs. Jews...just like they discriminate vs. never-married Mormon people and won't allow them to live with Heavenly Father forever, either!)

37 posted on 01/27/2012 9:13:18 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: mardi59
This man died an athiest and did not repent. He denied God his entire life so what makes these people believe that God knew him when he died? Denial of God or His Son is MORTAL. You have to be alive and willing to accept God and his Son Jesus Christ. There has to be repentance on behalf of the sinner, not a proxy. Only the living can be baptized. What good is it after the soul has already been judged.

Well, not per Mitt Romney he doesn't.

And not per the Mormon "prophet" and Mormon "apostles" who would be able to pull the puppet strings of a Mormon POTUS.

38 posted on 01/27/2012 9:14:59 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

Baptize your dead! Baptize your dead! Baptize your dead!

Here’s one

Nine pence.

I’m not dead!

What?

Nothing — here’s your nine pence.


39 posted on 01/27/2012 9:16:00 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: VikingMom

Oh good, more Atheists in the WH. Great for our Christian nation—not.


40 posted on 01/27/2012 9:16:16 PM PST by dandiegirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Yankee; VikingMom; macquire; nbenyo
...how the baptisms of Jews who died in the Holocaust might not sit well with Florida voters. Amazingly both Anne Frank and Adolph Hitler are among the individuals who have purportedly received proxy baptisms in the LDS Church.

Yes. See:
Anne Frank, a Mormon?

41 posted on 01/27/2012 9:19:36 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Well, not per Mitt Romney he doesn’t/

Romney, as other mormons will find out at the end of their lives that their so-called baptisms and subsequent sealings were of no use, This man died a sinner and remains so. The sad thing is even our prayers at this point cannot save his soul. He has been judged.


42 posted on 01/27/2012 9:20:54 PM PST by mardi59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: svcw

“Two things that really bug me about their service is so much of the information is incorrect and unless you are mormon you can’t get them to correct it.”

They don’t create records, they just publish them from church or civil registers, or family trees submitted. You should not rely upon somebody’s family tree unless they published their sources. It’s not reasonable to expect the LDS to verify every family tree submitted to them.


43 posted on 01/27/2012 9:20:54 PM PST by nbenyo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: macquire; Tennessee Nana
Anyone not interested in being closer to God is certifiably insane or just plain southern stupid.

Hey, the Mormons claim they can become gods.

Why can't they dead-dunk us as potential gods like them then?

Why is their only post-life offer for us to become Mormons like them?

Why can't we become full-grown gods like them?

44 posted on 01/27/2012 9:21:56 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: macquire
Got a problem with it? Are you one of my idiot relatives?

I'd be willing to bet that your relatives selected you as the idiot relative.

45 posted on 01/27/2012 9:22:17 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: macquire

Nana: Didya ever think that just maybe he wasnt interested ???

mac: No. Anyone not interested in being closer to God is certifiably insane or just plain southern stupid.
___________________________________________

Kid this is about being dead dunked..

a sad pagan ritual having nothing to do with Christianity...

Nobody mentioned God...

dead dunkling is not God’s idea..

God came down and shed His Blood on the cross and died on the Cross in our place so that we come get up close and personal with Him..

We have to decide BEFORE we die...

once we’re dead its too late...

Ann Davies dad made up his mind while he was alive to reject the LORD Jesus Christ..

all the proxy dunking of little boys on his behalf till Jesus comes back is not going to get him out of Hell..


46 posted on 01/27/2012 9:23:15 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: macquire

just plain southern stupid.
_________________________________________

Kid Im not the stupid one who thinks he has a black Mormon president

Thats you...


47 posted on 01/27/2012 9:24:53 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: macquire

Yes I do have a problem with it. It is appalling, anyone who uses ancestry . com subjects their ancestors to this kookery and descendants 100 years from now will think they were mormons. Go Newt!!


48 posted on 01/27/2012 9:27:08 PM PST by StPaulRevert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

Amen and the Rhino’s are saying Newt is crazy for wanting a moon colony


49 posted on 01/27/2012 9:28:06 PM PST by StPaulRevert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Yankee

And that in itself is despicable


50 posted on 01/27/2012 9:28:14 PM PST by StPaulRevert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-168 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson